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Who do you want us to take at #3?

Ace Bailey
34
45%
V.J. Edgecombe
20
27%
Kon Knueppel
3
4%
Khaman Maluach
1
1%
Tre Johnson
14
19%
Derik Queen
3
4%
 
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Re: 2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#441 » by Arsenal » Sun Mar 16, 2025 4:53 pm

We can also trade out for a boatload of future picks and/or later picks. Like trade it for a late 1st plus a couple future 1sts.

I'm really not sold on picks 3-6 so all options should be on the table.
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Post#442 » by Negrodamus » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:02 pm

I’m completely on board with trading for the future or trading for a potential *young* star. Would actually be a more savvy move since this draft is a bit of a dud after the top picks.
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Post#443 » by 76ciology » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:07 pm

Negrodamus wrote:To be honest, I don’t even consider fit with Embiid as much as I consider it with Maxey/McCain. But I do think he can play with Embiid. Instead of Derik throwing entry passes to Angel Reese’s brother to brick at the rim, he’ll throw them to Embiid.

For better or worse, I think Queen plays more like Embiid than Okafor. My biggest concern is his ability to get in elite shape and pick up his motor, which isn’t a small concern.


My Okafor comparison isn’t about playstyle—it’s about bigs without freakish size struggling as effective paint scorers in the NBA. In terms of scoring style, he reminds me more of Z-Bo or Pascal Siakam. That’s why I find it ironic that people like him now but were against the Siakam-Jojo fit back then.

Second, I don’t think we should draft based on fit with any of our current players—whether it’s Jojo, Maxey, or McCain. Isn’t it kind of depressing to hear “let’s build around Maxey and McCain” after all this tanking? Meanwhile, OKC is out here with SGA dropping impressive performances, and we’re supposed to be betting on just Maxey and McCain?

And lastly, I dont see Morey view Maxey and McCain as high as we do that we would draft someone in consideration of both of them.
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Post#444 » by 76ciology » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:14 pm

Kon Kneuppel is generating buzz as a potential top-5 pick for me. May end up higher than Kasparas and Tre Johnson. He’s my “Jared McCain” of this draft—the right pick, but a boring one.
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Post#445 » by Arsenal » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:15 pm

76ciology wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:To be honest, I don’t even consider fit with Embiid as much as I consider it with Maxey/McCain. But I do think he can play with Embiid. Instead of Derik throwing entry passes to Angel Reese’s brother to brick at the rim, he’ll throw them to Embiid.

For better or worse, I think Queen plays more like Embiid than Okafor. My biggest concern is his ability to get in elite shape and pick up his motor, which isn’t a small concern.


My Okafor comparison isn’t about playstyle—it’s about bigs without freakish size struggling as effective paint scorers in the NBA. In terms of scoring style, he reminds me more of Z-Bo or Pascal Siakam. That’s why I find it ironic that people like him now but were against the Siakam-Jojo fit back then.

Second, I don’t think we should draft based on fit with any of our current players—whether it’s Jojo, Maxey, or McCain. Isn’t it kind of depressing to hear “let’s build around Maxey and McCain” after all this tanking? Meanwhile, OKC is out here with SGA dropping impressive performances, and we’re supposed to be betting on just Maxey and McCain?

And lastly, I dont see Morey view Maxey and McCain as high as we do that we would draft someone in consideration of both of them.


I agree we should not be drafting based on Maxey and McCain. But even moreso we DEFINITELY should NOT be drafting based on Embiid and PG. Right now we don't have any superstars to bank on, so we need to target whoever has the highest superstar potential. And if there's no one like that available, trade out.
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Post#446 » by sixers hoops » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:16 pm

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sixers hoops wrote:I read an article the other day that discussed trading the pick, if it is in the 4, 5, 6 range, for a better fit than what is available in the draft. The one player they mentioned was Jabari Smith.

I don’t know if there are any players worthwhile. I liked this idea, but trading for a player who is closer to an extension probably isn’t prudent while we are stuck with three max contracts.

Ausar Thompson. He can play the Warrior Iguodala role.


I don’t watch college basketball until the tournament. Just reading some scouting reports on 2-6, I’m curious if there is a good fit, or going the trade route could be more productive. I imagine trading the pick ends up being less value because it’s going to be someone who isn’t the other team’s top two prospect.
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Post#447 » by Arsenal » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:19 pm

76ciology wrote:Kon Kneuppel is generating buzz as a potential top-5 pick for me. May end up higher than Kasparas and Tre Johnson. He’s my “Jared McCain” of this draft—the right pick, but a boring one.


HIs stats do look pretty great. I wonder if he can ever be a #1 option on offense. Maybe there's a chance considering his excellent assist numbers for a wing.
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Post#448 » by Negrodamus » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:27 pm

76ciology wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:To be honest, I don’t even consider fit with Embiid as much as I consider it with Maxey/McCain. But I do think he can play with Embiid. Instead of Derik throwing entry passes to Angel Reese’s brother to brick at the rim, he’ll throw them to Embiid.

For better or worse, I think Queen plays more like Embiid than Okafor. My biggest concern is his ability to get in elite shape and pick up his motor, which isn’t a small concern.


My Okafor comparison isn’t about playstyle—it’s about bigs without freakish size struggling as effective paint scorers in the NBA. In terms of scoring style, he reminds me more of Z-Bo or Pascal Siakam. That’s why I find it ironic that people like him now but were against the Siakam-Jojo fit back then.

Second, I don’t think we should draft based on fit with any of our current players—whether it’s Jojo, Maxey, or McCain. Isn’t it kind of depressing to hear “let’s build around Maxey and McCain” after all this tanking? Meanwhile, OKC is out here with SGA dropping impressive performances, and we’re supposed to be betting on just Maxey and McCain?

And lastly, I dont see Morey view Maxey and McCain as high as we do that we would draft someone in consideration of both of them.


I’ll take Z-Bo or Siakam at an affordable contract and 20 years old rather than end of prime and looking for a big payday.

Building around McCain and Maxey is the reality, regardless of how depressing it is. I can’t explain why our FO was trash for so long. We could have had Tatum, SGA, etc, etc, but we were bad at evaluating. None of the guards in this draft, outside of Harper, strike me as a guy we must pick regardless of fit with McCain or Maxey.
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Post#449 » by 76ciology » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:28 pm

My top 7 right now

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Edgecombe
Dylan Harper
Kneuppel
Jase Richardson (big riser for me)
Tre Johnson
CMB
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Post#450 » by Arsenal » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:33 pm

76ciology wrote:My top 6 right now

Flagg
Edgecombe
Dylan Harper
CMB (mismatch on offense and really good on defensive end)
Jase Richardson (big riser for me)
Kneuppel


You were pimping Tre the last couple weeks? What happened?
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Post#451 » by 76ciology » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:39 pm

Arsenal wrote:
76ciology wrote:My top 6 right now

Flagg
Edgecombe
Dylan Harper
CMB (mismatch on offense and really good on defensive end)
Jase Richardson (big riser for me)
Kneuppel


You were pimping Tre the last couple weeks? What happened?


I have Tre Johnson at the 7th spot. I just find Jase and Kneuppel to be better prospects right now.
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Post#452 » by Negrodamus » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:41 pm

Kneuppel took the air out of my sail on him last night against UL. Looked very unathletic with basic handles, but that might just be me.
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Post#453 » by mjkvol » Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:10 pm

76ciology wrote:Second, I don’t think we should draft based on fit with any of our current players—whether it’s Jojo, Maxey, or McCain. Isn’t it kind of depressing to hear “let’s build around Maxey and McCain” after all this tanking? Meanwhile, OKC is out here with SGA dropping impressive performances, and we’re supposed to be betting on just Maxey and McCain?

And lastly, I dont see Morey view Maxey and McCain as high as we do that we would draft someone in consideration of both of them.


Agree. They are fine complimentary pieces on a good team, but they aren't guys you're building a championship contender around.
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Post#454 » by 76ciology » Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:36 am

I think Kneuppel has the foundational playmaking and ball-handling skills to develop into a more advanced shot creator. He’s not lengthy or athletic, but that doesn’t seem to hold him back—he’s a strong defender, consistently attacks the rim, finishes well, and gets to the line.

He’s not flashy, lacks elite length, and has below-average athleticism, yet he’s highly effective and gets the job done.

I’d put his floor to be on the same tier as Maxey, McCain, and Grimes—give them the opportunity, and they can put up 20+ PPG with efficiency, 5 RPG, and 5 APG.
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Post#455 » by 76ciology » Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:16 am

Honestly, how much of a bag do you really need to be a shot creator in this league?
- Drive to your strong side.
- If they cut you off, step back to your weak side. (doncic likes to stepback to his left)
- If your path is blocked, counter with the Jimmy Butler move—a turnaround jumper or do a push off and take the jumper like Harden.
- If the defender contests, step through or go up and under.
- If they let you drive weak side, finish with your left. If not do the rondo, which is drive left fake then pivot with left foot planted (Jokic likes to do this) or you can just do the SGA (push off then step back jumper)
- If the defender challenges, step through or go up and under again.

I think Kneuppel can master these moves. The key is having the shooting touch to be a threat from all three levels and the IQ to know when to shoot, counter, or pass.

The elite ones are those who can shoot over the defenders, while having the shooting touch, skillset and IQ. Jokic, Doncic and SGA have those traits. Embiid has whenever his mid range and 3s are going in and he isn’t sloppy with the ball.

I dont know if Kneuppel’s 6’7” size would allow him that. I think the bare minimum to be elite with this trick is to be 6’9” like Doncic or Tatum. I know McCain, Maxey and Grimes don’t, and thats why there are some defenses that can expose their limitations.
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Post#456 » by Kobblehead » Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:57 pm

I think Liam McNeeley has more shotcreating upside of the two.

McNeeley can get to the rim off the bounce better and draws fouls better. He's also got a confidence that most scorers possess.
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Post#457 » by stormi » Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:21 am

76ciology wrote:My top 7 right now

Flagg
Edgecombe
Dylan Harper
Kneuppel
Jase Richardson (big riser for me)
Tre Johnson
CMB


Fears?
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Post#458 » by stormi » Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:22 am

Who's this years Herb Jones / Toumani Camara that we can draft with our early 2nd
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Post#459 » by 76ciology » Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:56 am

stormi wrote:
76ciology wrote:My top 7 right now

Flagg
Edgecombe
Dylan Harper
Kneuppel
Jase Richardson (big riser for me)
Tre Johnson
CMB


Fears?


Eyetest, he’s good. But i dont like the numbers.

Maybe just trade for Tre Mann. Bones Hyland is a free agent.
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Post#460 » by 76ciology » Tue Mar 18, 2025 6:00 am

stormi wrote:Who's this years Herb Jones / Toumani Camara that we can draft with our early 2nd


Adou or Yaxel
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