SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[P2K]

As I read this thread each and every day, I wish to God that Ed Snider forced Billy King to blow up the roster and start from the ground up after that Iverson trade.

And since that didn't happen, I wish these guys would force the front office to start from scratch now. Because honestly, all these suggested moves SUCK.

[51X3RF4N]

P2K, what would be your "ground up" approach? I'm just curious, not trying to start an argument. Would you build off 2 current superstars and surround them with role players? Would you pay them max contracts?

Or would you go with all young guys and build through multiple 1st rounders over the next 4 years?

Or some other plan maybe? I think it's hard to blow it all up and start from scratch. Especially when the team we have includes 5 pretty young guys in Allen/Vuc/Thad/ET/Jrue as a core. Granted not an All Star studded lineup, but if the players you have don't have amazing value, where do you go?

[Skates]

If we wanted Okafor for defense I don't know that it would tkae much more than amnestying Brand, sending NOH a second round pick or two and absorbing his salary. I can easily see the Hornets wanting to do a straigh salary dump of Okafor to imprve their salary cap situation and rebuild, especially if they can re-sign Gordon. With the situation in NO and Okafor's contract and Davis and another possible big coming in the draft they would likely love to clear salary and playing time and sign a lower cost center to take his place/split time with a draft pick.

I'm not sure what trading Iggy for Jefferson really does. Good low post scorer, doesn't fit with a running team, doesn't rebound out of his area and is notoriously porous on defense. It is a sideways move at best and that is assuming that Turner somehow replaces Iggy's production and defense, which is still way up for debate.

I would either build now with guys to surround Iggy or trade him for youth and cap space. I suppose Al Jeff gives you more cap space next summer, but that bumper FA crop doesn't really look all that inviting upon closer examination.

I do think Iggy's value is maxed out now as there are only two years left on his deal, he ahs the kind of skills a contender would kill for, there are teams with cap space all over the league and I think the achilles is going to plague him more and more over time. Iggy isn't old, but he has a lot of tread on those wheels already. If they can't bring in an established star this summer, then I move Iggy for youth and cap space.

[KrazySixersD]

see, if we get al jefferson, we get to see how much better we can get after adding a FA and the draft... if it doesnt work out... al jeff is gone and we can again go in another direction

if it does work out, why wouldnt he want to resign in a city that just made a playoff push, has money and youth, and is a big market?

its a pretty low risk option to me

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Well I certainly think Jefferson is past his injuries at this point. I really think he could end up being our Moses if we got him.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I don't know why people are making a big deal out of paying Brand that money not to play if he is amnestied. Whenever anyone is cut that has a guaranteed contract in sports, you need to pay their remaining salary. It happens all the time. The Sixers paid money to guys like Geiger, and fired coaches for years. They bought out Chris Webber.

Brand isn't a huge deal and is more routine than not.

[Skates]

Unless Jefferson is somehow a draw to lure Deron Williams here, his presence changes little. The team needs an alpha player, a true all-star and franchise player. No one on this team fits or ever will fit that description.

We have youth, sure, but there are other teams with more talented young guys with far higher ceilings and potential than Holiday, Turner, Young, Vucevich and Allen. One potential borderline all-star in there in Holdiay, maybe, and a bunch of guys who have or will top out as role players. Our young core is full of guys to put around a star, not stars themselves.

Subtract Iggy for Jefferson and then you have no long term asset to show for it if he walks and why exactly would FA's want to come here. A lot of teams have cap room and will in the future. Use Iggy as an establsihed veteran to lure someone like Deron here or trade him for more youth. Then you eventually package some of those young players to trade for your star.

[KrazySixersD]

you get stars either in the draft or by being good and getting them in FA....

al jefferson makes us a better team.. hes an all star level post player... we can go out and sign ronnie brewer who is probably not going to be retained by the bulls if we want a good defensive wing...

al jefferson is badly needed by this team... imagine if we traded for him... amnestied brand and offered a big deal to mcgee to be the athletic shotblocker next to jefferson...

mcgee scares me... but the upside there is huge... jrue/turner/??brewer??/jefferson/mcgee

[deep6er]

I don't know why people are making a big deal out of paying Brand that money not to play if he is amnestied. Whenever anyone is cut that has a guaranteed contract in sports, you need to pay their remaining salary. It happens all the time. The Sixers paid money to guys like Geiger, and fired coaches for years. They bought out Chris Webber.

Brand isn't a huge deal and is more routine than not.

I think people are just saying that there's no reason to pay Brand not to play unless you are going to be using that cap space and roster spot to get someone better. There's no reason to amnesty him if you're going to hold that money until the following offseason. He's still good enough to take up a roster spot.

I don't think anyone has a philosophical problem with paying the man what we are contractually obligated to pay him (although I could have missed the post)

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I'm fine with him just playing his contract out. He's worth more to us playing then he is not playing.

[ankle420breaker]

I see Al Jefferson as a lateral move overall. He is a very nice scoring option down low which fills a much needed void, but he actually worsens our interior defense while losing our best perimeter defender. You can't ignore that defense is what we've been able to hang our hat on, and that move would be a major step backwards. That would have to be addressed in free agency, and we'd still lack a true #1 scoring option.

We'll see... they do have some cap flexibility and young trade assets to work with. New ownership has to have their sights set on building off this season's momentum. I'm all for them dreaming big.

[aHealthy3]

I'll take Jefferson in a second...he would be an inside scoring threat that we haven't had for years...I see him being an upgrade over Hawes defensively as well. If the FO is truly set on trading Iggy I wouldn't mind Al Jeff at all.

[ProcessDoctor]

FIll one big hole to create another huge hole.

[PhillyFan]

He is an upgrade over Hawes, because Hawes is like a marshallow.

Jefferson is never known to be an interior defensive terror, and he wouldn't be uch of an upgrade. I'd prefer if the team explore other options.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

We would definitely have to find a capable defender at the 3 to fill Iguodalas void.

[aHealthy3]

I mean let's face it, there is no replacing Iggy's defense...but we have much more defense than we do post scoring at the moment and the offense is something that needs to be addressed...Jrue and Turner are still two pretty good young defenders who are likely to improve...Turner can already do a decent job on most 3's in the league. Obviously he's no Iggy defensively but outside of guys like LeBron and Deng who really is?

[freshie2]

I would take the GS deal ( Biedrens + 7) for Iguodala and take Jones or Lamb, then take Henson or Leonard or Miller or Harkless @ 15.

Al Jeff makes some sense if the big splash is next offseason...don't think he's our generations "Moses" (Moses was Moses before coming to Philly), but he is an upgrade inside.

[42uptop]

I wouldn't mind Evan Turner developing as our best wing defender if Iggy is traded. I'd say Turner is pretty good at perimeter defense right now, and he is definitely big enough to guard small forwards.

[Sixerscan]

Beyond the fact that Turner is nowhere near Iguodala as a defender, the real issue is that Turner is already expected to play 30+ minutes, so if Turner is replacing Iguodala, you still need someone to "replace" Turner. If Turner is worse than Iguodala, and then the new guy is worse than Turner, it can have an avalanche effect, and the one major strength we have (wing defense) goes away.

[42uptop]

Beyond the fact that Turner is nowhere near Iguodala as a defender, the real issue is that Turner is already expected to play 30+ minutes, so if Turner is replacing Iguodala, you still need someone to "replace" Turner. If Turner is worse than Iguodala, and then the new guy is worse than Turner, it can have an avalanche effect, and the one major strength we have (wing defense) goes away.

Exactly, then the team is banking on the fact that Al Jefferson's presence down low is enough to eliminate the loss of Iguodala on the perimeter among the other things he did for the team (i.e., leading us in assists). Personally, I don't think Al Jefferson's offense would be good enough to compensate for that loss.