2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

Post #461 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 4:32 am

Pretty crazy how deep this draft is shaping up to be. Probably won't be anyone with Simmons level hype but even if we get #4 should have a pretty wide selection.

PhilasFinest · Post #462 » by **PhilasFinest** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 4:35 am

Negrodamus wrote:
sixerhp3 wrote:Fultz and Tatum or Monk would be a homerun draft

Everyone hates on Monk for not being a creator off the dribble, yet Klay scores 60 points on 11 dribbles last night.

That would essentially be his role on this team, a scorer for creators to pass to. But he definitely still needs to grow more as a defender.

Yea, but his skill set pretty much fits hypothetically to a T with what you'd want next to a Simmons/LeBron like Wing.

He has the size/athletic ability to defend 1's, and the skill set and scoring ability to be a high scoring SG.

We have seen guys like Booker/Murray thrive at times in the NBA early on, and I see Monk in that class. Hell, he may be more athletic and a better "scorer" than both. Id take that for sure. Imagine him getting the looks Stauskas is clanking every night.

Unbreakable99 · Post #463 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 4:43 am

I like Tatum. I don't know if he can be a two way player but one thing about him is that he definitely isn't afraid to shoot. He loves to shoot and look for his shot. He might have a little gunner mentality but so far I like what he brings.

Negrodamus · Post #464 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 4:44 am

PhilasFinest wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
sixerhp3 wrote:Fultz and Tatum or Monk would be a homerun draft

Everyone hates on Monk for not being a creator off the dribble, yet Klay scores 60 points on 11 dribbles last night.

That would essentially be his role on this team, a scorer for creators to pass to. But he definitely still needs to grow more as a defender.

Yea, but his skill set pretty much fits hypothetically to a T with what you'd want next to a Simmons/LeBron like Wing.

He has the size/athletic ability to defend 1's, and the skill set and scoring ability to be a high scoring SG.

We have seen guys like Booker/Murray thrive at times in the NBA early on, and I see Monk in that class. Hell, he may be more athletic and a better "scorer" than both. Id take that for sure. Imagine him getting the looks Stauskas is clanking every night.

He's way more athletic than both. He is a blur on fast break. One of the fastest I've seen at U.K and that includes John Wall. I do believe his defense will substantially improve. Needs to put on more muscle.

But you might be right, he could be a better scorer than both. Jamal was incredible last year, but it required a lot of him working for those points. It's been almost effortless in how Monk averages 20 ppg.

phiphan · Post #465 » by **phiphan** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 4:49 am

This draft seems to be living up to the hype. I'd be pretty happy with any of the wings/guards in the top 10 right now.

Ericb5 · Post #466 » by **Ericb5** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 5:06 am

Sixerscan wrote:Pretty crazy how deep this draft is shaping up to be. Probably won't be anyone with Simmons level hype but even if we get #4 should have a pretty wide selection.

Last year 4th would have been a disaster. This year it would be fine.

Just imagine that Jackson, Ball, and Fultz are gone, and we are at 4.

There is still Smith, Tatum and Giles. All three of them could be as good, or better than Brandon Ingram. If Giles comes back at full strength he would probably move up and drop one of the top 3 down to 4th.

Then in the likely Lakers pick range of 7-12, you have several other players that are really good prospects like Isaac, Monk, Ntilikina, Rabb, Fox, etc... We could draft a legitimate starter with the Lakers pick.

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Negrodamus · Post #467 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 5:15 am

Bruce Brown, 6-5 FR out of Miami, has been heating up lately and had a triple double tonight. He's pretty solid on both sides of the ball. Just a name to look out for.

kriss73 · Post #468 » by **kriss73** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 10:00 am

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It's only matter that LAL don't win the Lottery.

Kolkmania · Post #469 » by **Kolkmania** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 11:15 am

With Markelle Fultz, Dennis Smith jr, Lonzo Ball, De'Aaron Fox, Frank Ntilikina, Malink Monk and Frank Jackson as potential PG/SG targets and Josh Jackson, Jayson Tatum, OG Anunoby and Jonathan Isaac as wing candidates we're golden with two top 10/12 picks.

FlightBrothers · Post #470 » by **FlightBrothers** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 1:07 pm

Then in the likely Lakers pick range of 7-12, you have several other players that are really good prospects like Isaac, Monk, Ntilikina, Rabb, Fox, etc... We could draft a legitimate starter with the Lakers pick.

Look at the Lakers plus/minus and the fact that they are being carried by the likes of Nick Young and Lou Williams and I really think they do regress and end closer to the #4-6 place entering the lottery.

PhilasFinest · Post #471 » by **PhilasFinest** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 1:39 pm

FlightBrothers wrote:Then in the likely Lakers pick range of 7-12, you have several other players that are really good prospects like Isaac, Monk, Ntilikina, Rabb, Fox, etc... We could draft a legitimate starter with the Lakers pick.

Look at the Lakers plus/minus and the fact that they are being carried by the likes of Nick Young and Lou Williams and I really think they do regress and end closer to the #4-6 place entering the lottery.

The thought of the Lakers slightly improving this year and then falling to that place makes me a bit uneasy....could see them winning the lottery.

Unbreakable99 · Post #472 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 2:26 pm

PhilasFinest wrote:
FlightBrothers wrote:Then in the likely Lakers pick range of 7-12, you have several other players that are really good prospects like Isaac, Monk, Ntilikina, Rabb, Fox, etc... We could draft a legitimate starter with the Lakers pick.

Look at the Lakers plus/minus and the fact that they are being carried by the likes of Nick Young and Lou Williams and I really think they do regress and end closer to the #4-6 place entering the lottery.

The thought of the Lakers slightly improving this year and then falling to that place makes me a bit uneasy....could see them winning the lottery.

If the Lakers win it they win it. They have a good chance if they are in the top 6. It happens. That's why I'm not sweating it that they are winning. I don't mind if their pick falls outside the top 10.

Kobblehead · Post #473 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 3:21 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Everyone hates on Monk for not being a creator off the dribble, yet Klay scores 60 points on 11 dribbles last night.

That would essentially be his role on this team, a scorer for creators to pass to. But he definitely still needs to grow more as a defender.

Theoretically, we'd be one of the teams Monk could project as a starter on. Like you said, he needs to grow defensively, though.

That's the difference between him being an ideal off-ball starting PG for the 2017-18 Sixers or just being a reserve G to bring off the bench for spurts of offense.

Kobblehead · Post #474 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 3:27 pm

As of right now, De'Aaron Fox is the only Kentucky player I'm sold on being a starter at the next level. And he probably projects as a Dennis Schroder clone, with better defense.

sixerhp3 · Post #475 » by **sixerhp3** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 3:55 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:Pretty crazy how deep this draft is shaping up to be. Probably won't be anyone with Simmons level hype but even if we get #4 should have a pretty wide selection.

Last year 4th would have been a disaster. This year it would be fine.

Just imagine that Jackson, Ball, and Fultz are gone, and we are at 4.

There is still Smith, Tatum and Giles. All three of them could be as good, or better than Brandon Ingram. If Giles comes back at full strength he would probably move up and drop one of the top 3 down to 4th.

Then in the likely Lakers pick range of 7-12, you have several other players that are really good prospects like Isaac, Monk, Ntilikina, Rabb, Fox, etc... We could draft a legitimate starter with the Lakers pick.

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Seriously... Imagine if we fell to #3 in the lottery last May, the outlook of our future would be completely different.

Ericb5 · Post #476 » by **Ericb5** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 7:28 pm

sixerhp3 wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:Pretty crazy how deep this draft is shaping up to be. Probably won't be anyone with Simmons level hype but even if we get #4 should have a pretty wide selection.

Last year 4th would have been a disaster. This year it would be fine.

Just imagine that Jackson, Ball, and Fultz are gone, and we are at 4.

There is still Smith, Tatum and Giles. All three of them could be as good, or better than Brandon Ingram. If Giles comes back at full strength he would probably move up and drop one of the top 3 down to 4th.

Then in the likely Lakers pick range of 7-12, you have several other players that are really good prospects like Isaac, Monk, Ntilikina, Rabb, Fox, etc... We could draft a legitimate starter with the Lakers pick.

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Seriously... Imagine if we fell to #3 in the lottery last May, the outlook of our future would be completely different.

I was saying last year that we had two paths to eventual greatness. One was Embiid being healthy, and the other was winning the lottery and getting Simmons. Knocks on wood* Embiid is healthy, and we won the lottery.

That is why I think that we should all be pinching ourselves with excitement over where we are as a team, and not bickering about Okafor and Brett Brown.

This year's picks are gravy in a sense, and are really our first opportunity to add a third star player. If we fail then we will have to hope to sign one as a free agent at some point, which is possible, but the this upcoming draft is a great chance to take two more bites at the apple.

eagereyez · Post #477 » by **eagereyez** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 8:05 pm

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cksdayoff · Post #478 » by **cksdayoff** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 9:01 pm

tatum is a tier below josh jackson

Negrodamus · Post #479 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 9:06 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Everyone hates on Monk for not being a creator off the dribble, yet Klay scores 60 points on 11 dribbles last night.

That would essentially be his role on this team, a scorer for creators to pass to. But he definitely still needs to grow more as a defender.

Theoretically, we'd be one of the teams Monk could project as a starter on. Like you said, he needs to grow defensively, though.

That's the difference between him being an ideal off-ball starting PG for the 2017-18 Sixers or just being a reserve G to bring off the bench for spurts of offense.

I do think he's made strides over the past few games. Had five steals on UCLA and makes great plays on the ball, including a thwarted alley oop a few games back. I don't think he lacks instincts or length, I think he's just young.

eagereyez · Post #480 » by **eagereyez** » Wed Dec 7, 2016 10:53 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Everyone hates on Monk for not being a creator off the dribble, yet Klay scores 60 points on 11 dribbles last night.

That would essentially be his role on this team, a scorer for creators to pass to. But he definitely still needs to grow more as a defender.

Theoretically, we'd be one of the teams Monk could project as a starter on. Like you said, he needs to grow defensively, though.

That's the difference between him being an ideal off-ball starting PG for the 2017-18 Sixers or just being a reserve G to bring off the bench for spurts of offense.

I do think he's made strides over the past few games. Had five steals on UCLA and makes great plays on the ball, including a thwarted alley oop a few games back. I don't think he lacks instincts or length, I think he's just young.

He's also giving up a height advantage to opposing SG's. On the Sixers, he'd be guarding opposing PG's, so perhaps he'd be a better defender than one might expect.