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OleSchool · Post #461 » by **OleSchool** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:15 pm

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Eyeamok · Post #462 » by **Eyeamok** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:24 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
IMHO Hinkie knew this would happen and this is why he has loaded up on #1 picks.

Did Hinkie know about the part where if you draft multiple guys at one position you stunt their development and diminish their trade value because their development is stunted and people can clearly see that you need for a trade to happen so you are in a weaker position at the negotiation table? Did Hinkie know that part too?

Green font sir.

So he should have passed on Noel because he would have been the #1 pick if he was not injured.

And he should have passed on Embiid because he had already drafted Noel?

And he should have passed on Okafor because Embiid was still injured and management and the agents would not let him draft or get near Kristaps Porziņģis.

So we drafted Noel, then we would have passed on Embiid and drafted Exum, then we would have drafted who ? Remember the agent and upper management have told you they don't want any part of you and not to draft porzingis?

All those things considered what would you have done?

Or perhaps the better question would be. Why has our present GM allowed this situation to go on? After all he is a basketball guy and he knew the situation coming in. But hey he did draft Ben Simmons.

SelfishPlayer · Post #463 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:26 pm

Eyeamok wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
IMHO Hinkie knew this would happen and this is why he has loaded up on #1 picks.

Did Hinkie know about the part where if you draft multiple guys at one position you stunt their development and diminish their trade value because their development is stunted and people can clearly see that you need for a trade to happen so you are in a weaker position at the negotiation table? Did Hinkie know that part too?

Green font sir.

So he should have passed on Noel because he would have been the #1 pick if he was not injured.

And he should have passed on Embiid because he had already drafted Noel?

And he should have passed on Okafor because Embiid was still injured and management and the agents would not let him draft or get near Kristaps Porziņģis.

So we drafted Noel, then we would have passed on Embiid and drafted Exum, then we would have drafted who ? Remember the agent and upper management have told you they don't want any part of you and not to draft porzingis?

All those things considered what would you have done?

Or perhaps the better question would be. Why has our present GM allowed this situation to go on? After all he is a basketball guy and he knew the situation coming in. But hey he did draft Ben Simmons.

What about Dario Saric, a big man, over Zach Lavine, a guard?

Eyeamok · Post #464 » by **Eyeamok** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:30 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Did Hinkie know about the part where if you draft multiple guys at one position you stunt their development and diminish their trade value because their development is stunted and people can clearly see that you need for a trade to happen so you are in a weaker position at the negotiation table? Did Hinkie know that part too?

Green font sir.

So he should have passed on Noel because he would have been the #1 pick if he was not injured.

And he should have passed on Embiid because he had already drafted Noel?

And he should have passed on Okafor because Embiid was still injured and management and the agents would not let him draft or get near Kristaps Porziņģis.

So we drafted Noel, then we would have passed on Embiid and drafted Exum, then we would have drafted who ? Remember the agent and upper management have told you they don't want any part of you and not to draft porzingis?

All those things considered what would you have done?

Or perhaps the better question would be. Why has our present GM allowed this situation to go on? After all he is a basketball guy and he knew the situation coming in. But hey he did draft Ben Simmons.

What about Dario Saric, a big man, over Zach Lavine, a guard?

Right because Dario Saric is the problem right now.

SelfishPlayer · Post #465 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:35 pm

Eyeamok wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
Green font sir.

So he should have passed on Noel because he would have been the #1 pick if he was not injured.

And he should have passed on Embiid because he had already drafted Noel?

And he should have passed on Okafor because Embiid was still injured and management and the agents would not let him draft or get near Kristaps Porziņģis.

So we drafted Noel, then we would have passed on Embiid and drafted Exum, then we would have drafted who ? Remember the agent and upper management have told you they don't want any part of you and not to draft porzingis?

All those things considered what would you have done?

Or perhaps the better question would be. Why has our present GM allowed this situation to go on? After all he is a basketball guy and he knew the situation coming in. But hey he did draft Ben Simmons.

What about Dario Saric, a big man, over Zach Lavine, a guard?

Right because Dario Saric is the problem right now.

No guards on this team, and yet Saric is here when Lavine could have been. The Sam Hinkie led Sixers certainly needed guards when he drafted Dario Saric. Zach Lavine is a better NBA player than Dario Saric and it's as a starter at a position the Sixers need today and needed back when Sam Hinkie drafted Dario Saric over Zach Lavine. Sam Hinkie was an NBA con artist that got exposed that's why he's in Silicon Valley totally away from the game of basketball. He's putting his next con together, possibly a tech start up where he strings angel investors along like a ponzi scheme "trust the process." :nonono:

Eyeamok · Post #466 » by **Eyeamok** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:37 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
What about Dario Saric, a big man, over Zach Lavine, a guard?

Right because Dario Saric is the problem right now.

No guards on this team, and yet Saric is here when Lavine could have been. The Sam Hinkie led Sixers certainly needed guards when he drafted Dario Saric. Zach Lavine is a better NBA player than Dario Saric and it's as a starter at a position the Sixers need today and needed back when Sam Hinkie drafted Dario Saric over Zach Lavine. Sam Hinkie was an NBA con artist that got exposed that's why he's in Silicon Valley totally away from the game of basketball. He's putting his next con together, possibly a tech start up where he strings angel investors along like a ponzi scheme "trust the process."

So your solution to the whole Embiid, Noel, Okafor situation, would have been to draft Zach Lavine and not Saric? Got it buddy.

Ericb5 · Post #467 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:02 pm

Eyeamok wrote:Tom Burns gave a nod to Hinkie today on the radio.

The new CBA will allow teams to offer players a 6th year option on contracts as opposed to 5. So in rough terms. Where a player might walk away from a team and leave $25 million on the table. Now they would be walking away and leaving $50 million on the table. Yes NBA Players are very well compensated for what they do. But leaving $50 million on the table is no joke.

Burns stated this new option will help smaller market teams grow and keep the players they draft. Making the draft and drafting the right guys all that more important. Because it reduces the chances that a player in his prime will leave the team that drafted him.

He then went on to say that a lot more owners/gm's might/will think about adopting a Hinkie type strategy of tanking (without announcing it) because if you draft a stud you get to keep him a lot longer. And the chances of trading for a stud or one leaving in free agency now has been reduced.

IMHO Hinkie knew this would happen and this is why he has loaded up on #1 picks.

Let's be clear here. Hinkie's strategy is the right one in the new or old CBA.

It is just even more obvious that it is the right strategy in the new CBA.

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Ericb5 · Post #468 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:03 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
IMHO Hinkie knew this would happen and this is why he has loaded up on #1 picks.

Did Hinkie know about the part where if you draft multiple guys at one position you stunt their development and diminish their trade value because their development is stunted and people can clearly see that you need for a trade to happen so you are in a weaker position at the negotiation table? Did Hinkie know that part too?

Don't forget that Hinkie got two franchise players in just over 3 years. He doesn't have to be great every time in the draft.

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Ericb5 · Post #469 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:09 pm

Eyeamok wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
Right because Dario Saric is the problem right now.

No guards on this team, and yet Saric is here when Lavine could have been. The Sam Hinkie led Sixers certainly needed guards when he drafted Dario Saric. Zach Lavine is a better NBA player than Dario Saric and it's as a starter at a position the Sixers need today and needed back when Sam Hinkie drafted Dario Saric over Zach Lavine. Sam Hinkie was an NBA con artist that got exposed that's why he's in Silicon Valley totally away from the game of basketball. He's putting his next con together, possibly a tech start up where he strings angel investors along like a ponzi scheme "trust the process."

So your solution to the whole Embiid, Noel, Okafor situation, would have been to draft Zach Lavine and not Saric? Got it buddy.

First off, whether Lavine or Saric was the right pick is very much an open question at this point, but even if Lavine turns out to be the better player, it is not a big deal.

Nobody selects the right player every time.

The broader point is that Hinkie got Embiid and Simmons, and following ANY other path would not have gotten even one of them. The tanking path produced those players.

Plus, Hinkie got the Lakers and Kings picks that have yet to be cashed in.

History may not realize it yet, but what Hinkie accomplished in his tenure was amazing, especially considering the deficit that he started with. He didn't start with nothing. He started with less than nothing because we owed first round picks to the Heat and the Magic.

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Kobblehead · Post #470 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:26 pm

Saric and Lavine are both bench talents that can't defend. Gary Harris was the miss.

Eyeamok · Post #471 » by **Eyeamok** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:38 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
No guards on this team, and yet Saric is here when Lavine could have been. The Sam Hinkie led Sixers certainly needed guards when he drafted Dario Saric. Zach Lavine is a better NBA player than Dario Saric and it's as a starter at a position the Sixers need today and needed back when Sam Hinkie drafted Dario Saric over Zach Lavine. Sam Hinkie was an NBA con artist that got exposed that's why he's in Silicon Valley totally away from the game of basketball. He's putting his next con together, possibly a tech start up where he strings angel investors along like a ponzi scheme "trust the process."

So your solution to the whole Embiid, Noel, Okafor situation, would have been to draft Zach Lavine and not Saric? Got it buddy.

First off, whether Lavine or Saric was the right pick is very much an open question at this point, but even if Lavine turns out to be the better player, it is not a big deal.

Nobody selects the right player every time.

The broader point is that Hinkie got Embiid and Simmons, and following ANY other path would not have gotten even one of them. The tanking path produced those players.

Plus, Hinkie got the Lakers and Kings picks that have yet to be cashed in.

History may not realize it yet, but what Hinkie accomplished in his tenure was amazing, especially considering the deficit that he started with. He didn't start with nothing. He started with less than nothing because we owed first round picks to the Heat and the Magic.

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I have to give you and And +1. So many people focus on what Hinkie did not do and who he did not draft. It is like the man was supposed to be infallible because he dared to actually have a plan and let it be known. I've head people in the know, Brian Scalabrine of one, to say they would consider "The Process " a success if he had drafted Porzingis instead of Okafor. But no one gives him credit for what he did to get to that point and all the cleaning up he had to do. Yes mistakes were made. But the great thing about a plan is that yes you want everything to happen the way you plan it, but you also have a plan when things don't quite work out the way you thought the would. Right now Hinkies plan has other teams doing the heavy lifting for us. And considering what we started out with that is amazing.

AdotR · Post #472 » by **AdotR** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:58 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
IMHO Hinkie knew this would happen and this is why he has loaded up on #1 picks.

Did Hinkie know about the part where if you draft multiple guys at one position you stunt their development and diminish their trade value because their development is stunted and people can clearly see that you need for a trade to happen so you are in a weaker position at the negotiation table? Did Hinkie know that part too?

Don't forget that Hinkie got two franchise players in just over 3 years. He doesn't have to be great every time in the draft.

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Who is the 2nd franchise player? Are we counting Simmons?

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Kobblehead · Post #473 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:05 pm

SMH, Cousins really is the worst. Team "You Can Have Him" lifelong member.

http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/joyce-terhaar/article121429187.html

Ericb5 · Post #474 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:13 am

AdotR wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Did Hinkie know about the part where if you draft multiple guys at one position you stunt their development and diminish their trade value because their development is stunted and people can clearly see that you need for a trade to happen so you are in a weaker position at the negotiation table? Did Hinkie know that part too?

Don't forget that Hinkie got two franchise players in just over 3 years. He doesn't have to be great every time in the draft.

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Who is the 2nd franchise player? Are we counting Simmons?

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Yes. I think that both Simmons and Embiid are going to be franchise players, and obviously Hinkie gets the credit for us getting the first pick where we were able to select the no brainer first selection.

The only other time that something like his has happened was when the Thunder got Durant, Westbrook, and Harden in a similar time frame.

The Sixers got two of them, and they will have two bites at the Apple in a great draft this year to see if we can get a third one.

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SelfishPlayer · Post #475 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:58 am

Ericb5 wrote:it is not a big deal.

Correct answer for anyone that thinks that Hinkie wasn't a scam artist. You have to minimize his mistakes to make it look like he had a plan for building a franchise that wasn't a scam to collect front office paychecks. He ran an NBA franchise like a ponzi scheme. Keep everyone "trusting the process" paying into the scam with patience for tanking. He's a genius scammer, just like ponzi scheme operators.

AdotR · Post #476 » by **AdotR** » Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:14 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:it is not a big deal.

Correct answer for anyone that thinks that Hinkie wasn't a scam artist. You have to minimize his mistakes to make it look like he had a plan for building a franchise that wasn't a scam to collect front office paychecks. He ran an NBA franchise like a ponzi scheme. Keep everyone "trusting the process" paying into the scam with patience for tanking. He's a genius scammer, just like ponzi scheme operators.

You do know what country we live in, right? The correct answer is Corporate America. Hinkie did what corporate American businessmen do: 1. Strip operating costs 2. Turn a profit 3. Acquire dirt cheap assets 4. Do so in the name of leaving a personal legacy, not this build for the future bs 5. Trust the government will step in if things don't work out.

As for the Sixers, he tore down everything, acquired a good deal of very valuable draft picks and countless d-leaguers, become a legend, yes a legend, and waited for the league to step in when his practices became untenable.

All this "scam artist" and "ponzi scheme" talk is absurd and makes the forum feel like a Dodd-Frank discussion. Remember it was him that sold tickets for 76 cents. He put out crap teams but he did not lie about it.

Plus the guy makes more money in Silicon Valley anyway.

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Unbreakable99 · Post #477 » by **Unbreakable99** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:11 am

This is just another example why I don't like Wiggins.

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freshie2 · Post #478 » by **freshie2** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:41 pm

Why is Orlando struggling so badly this year? I really expected them to make a big jump this season.

Unbreakable99 · Post #479 » by **Unbreakable99** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:23 pm

freshie2 wrote:Why is Orlando struggling so badly this year? I really expected them to make a big jump this season.

They are a team of many talents but a master of none. They don't excel in anything. They have no stars.

the_process · Post #480 » by **the_process** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:36 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:This is just another example why I don't like Wiggins.

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I kind of saw this before... in another thread someone mentioned they had made a bet that Wiggins would average more turnovers per game than blk+stl+asst per game... and the totals were really close. Then you realize how little Wiggins does other than score. And you might be okay with that if he could defend... but he can't do that, either, even though with his size and athleticism it should be easy for him.