Welcome Tobias Harris

[Ericb5]

I mean this dude's been pretty much the resident punching bag lately. For what?

1. The contract
2. his defensive deficiencies

Tobias will be held to a high standard with his scoring and shooting because of those two things.

If he's scoring 18+ on 38%+ three point shooting, there will be no qualms.

It's true. He will be. Contracts matter. I just don't see Tobias as a max guy or even that close. So you have to balance that against his production and he's likely to fall short. I think the max contract for Tobias was a big mistake. I hope I'm wrong.

He didn’t get a max contract and that is important because as the cap goes up his deal gets cheaper in comparison.

Max contracts are based off of a percentage take of the cap so they rise when the cap rises.


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[Kobblehead]

He didn’t get a max contract and that is important because as the cap goes up his deal gets cheaper in comparison.

Max contracts are based off of a percentage take of the cap so they rise when the cap rises.

By all intents and purposes, he did. His contract is incredibly difficult to move in a trade due to salary matching purposes.

He's getting paid $36m per year, on average. Which was behind just Kevin Durant ($41.1m) and Klay Thompson ($37.9) this summer.

And the current financial climate of the NBA is looking awful after this China debacle. Looks like we'll get a couple of seasons of the cap doing down unless some serious groveling takes place.

[LloydFree]

I'm generally against any contract that makes a player virtually untradeable, but things don't happen in a vacuum. No matter what, the 76ers were only going to have 22 million in capspace and they had to spend it to complete the team on that day, or lose the capspace forever. So no matter whether he got paid 22m or 35 million is meaningless for the next couple years.

And in the 76ers' case, where they have 2 Superstars, where those players are so good that they're underpaid even on MAX contracts, who cares if Tobias Harris is overpaid 10m per, to be a 3rd wheel?

[Wilfried]

If Chris Paul and his contract can be moved, anyone can be moved (except John Wall probably).

Tobias for sure could be traded, but the reward won't be incredibly interesting.

But he's a good enough player to gain interest.

But we need him, so no need to start talking about that

[Ericb5]

He didn’t get a max contract and that is important because as the cap goes up his deal gets cheaper in comparison.

Max contracts are based off of a percentage take of the cap so they rise when the cap rises.

By all intents and purposes, he did. His contract is incredibly difficult to move in a trade due to salary matching purposes.

He's getting paid $36m per year, on average. Which was behind just Kevin Durant ($41.1m) and Klay Thompson ($37.9) this summer.

And the current financial climate of the NBA is looking awful after this China debacle. Looks like we'll get a couple of seasons of the cap doing down unless some serious groveling takes place.

We didn’t sign him to trade him. We overpaid. I get it.

It will be cheaper 3 years from now when the cap is higher.

If it was a true max then it wouldn’t be cheaper as the cap rises.


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[Ericb5]

I'm generally against any contract that makes a player virtually untradeable, but things don't happen in a vacuum. No matter what, the 76ers were only going to have 22 million in capspace and they had to spend it to complete the team on that day, or lose the capspace forever. So no matter whether he got paid 22m or 35 million is meaningless for the next couple years.

And in the 76ers' case, where they have 2 Superstars, where those players are so good that they're underpaid even on MAX contracts, who cares if Tobias Harris is overpaid 10m per, to be a 3rd wheel?

Agreed.

Sometimes you have to over pay for someone. It is only a real problem when you do that before you have your stars. We have our stars, so that means that we can afford to overpay the third guy.

Teams like Boston that give out ridiculous contracts before they found their franchise players are the ones that really screwed up. They never should have signed Horford, Hayward, or Brown. Now they are capped out with out a franchise player.


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[Kobblehead]

It will be cheaper 3 years from now when the cap is higher.

as the cap rises.

What pocket of Earth can the NBA tap into and generate revenue to continue an upward trajectory now that relations with China are so poor?

The cap is going down.

[Ericb5]

It will be cheaper 3 years from now when the cap is higher.

as the cap rises.

What pocket of Earth can the NBA tap into and generate revenue to continue an upward trajectory now that relations with China are so poor?

The cap is going down.

China will get over their temper tantrum. 600 million basketball fans are going to suddenly lose interest, and the government isn’t going to ban the games long term.

The NBA will certainly keep its nose clean from now on though with regard to China, but this isn’t a big enough deal to kill the market.

Plus the gambling money is in the beginning stages of flowing in too.


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[agiaco]

So how about Tobias?

[LloydFree]

The proceeds from Landry Shamet, scored 46 points on 22 shots tonight.

[Ericb5]

This game showed Tobias in full flight. He can get hot from 3, and he is a mismatch on pretty much everyone smaller than him.

His handle isn’t a strong suit, but it isn’t too bad, and he is a crafty scorer both facing up, and in the post.




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[LloydFree]

The last two times Embiid sat out (this game and the Nets) he scored 29 and barely missed a shot.

[papajoe]

Brett needs to find a way to stagger Tobias' minutes. Clear now he doesnt play well with Embiid

Simmons/Embiid
Horford/Harris.

[kuclas]

Harris contract situation almost reminds me of Joe Johnson. When Johnson got that big contract in 2010. People were saying wth. Harris the same way.

Johnson contract was at the time untradable but the hawks did trade him to Brooklyn. And he was age 32 than.

So even if Harris doesn’t pan out in a couple of years. These contracts are still tradeable even if Harris shows signs of decline. Johnson was on the decline in 2012.

Heck Gilbert arenas was traded and everyone knew his knees were bad but the magic was still traded for him so they could dump off another bad contract. (Rashad lewis)

We will see how things go with Harris. Would I rather have butler or Harris? Obviously I would have butler cause he’s more consistent. But these are the cards sixers management was delt with. Butler didn’t want to be in Philadelphia. So sixers were negotiating with themselves and had to overpay.

Let’s just hope he has more nights than last night

[LloydFree]

Harris contract situation almost reminds me of Joe Johnson. When Johnson got that big contract in 2010. People were saying wth. Harris the same way.

Johnson contract was at the time untradable but the hawks did trade him to Brooklyn. And he was age 32 than.

So even if Harris doesn’t pan out in a couple of years. These contracts are still tradeable even if Harris shows signs of decline. Johnson was on the decline in 2012.

Heck Gilbert arenas was traded and everyone knew his knees were bad but the magic was still traded for him so they could dump off another bad contract. (Rashad lewis)

We will see how things go with Harris. Would I rather have butler or Harris? Obviously I would have butler cause he’s more consistent. But these are the cards sixers management was delt with. Butler didn’t want to be in Philadelphia. So sixers were negotiating with themselves and had to overpay.

Let’s just hope he has more nights than last night

Oye. People unbelievably over-rate Jimmy Butler. Watched him all year and they still don't get why Brand didn't offer him the max. Can't defend anybody. Doesn't work well within a team offense. Having the heart to take last second shots is admirable, but if he did the things the team needed the first 46 minutes of the game, they wouldn't be in that position every game. I'm glad Brand saw that.

[76ciology]

Brett needs to find a way to stagger Tobias' minutes. Clear now he doesnt play well with Embiid

Simmons/Embiid
Horford/Harris.

I dont know man.. but nobody plays well with Embiid now. Horford at 5 with Ben&Tobi looks very good if you ask me. Josh Rich-Biid two man game is painful to watch. The real best bet is to pair Tobi and Biid.

[phillynative]

Brett needs to find a way to stagger Tobias' minutes. Clear now he doesnt play well with Embiid

Simmons/Embiid
Horford/Harris.

I dont know man.. but nobody plays well with Embiid now. Horford at 5 with Ben&Tobi looks very good if you ask me. Josh Rich-Biid two man game is painful to watch. The real best bet is to pair Tobi and Biid.

Guys have to knock down shots to bring symmetry to that starting lineup, thats not embiids fault, hes doing his job as a two way center even not in his optimal state.

From what i have seen from tobi is that he not only defers to joel but he is more comfortable getting to his spots as a 4 man. He doesnt have the burst or the handle to get past 3 men thats why his shot has to be clicking to create gravity . Also there is not much space for him to work in the mid post when joel or ben are on the floor which is his bread and butter.

Ultimately the offense is a work in progress right now and we will hopefully we will see more mixing and matching .

We have seen Al and Ben clicking in its early stage. Now its time to give Tobi the ball and P&R with Embiid without Ben or Al on the floor.

[76ciology]

Tobias is now averaging almost 20ppg on 62TS%. This includes 52FG%, 36% 3pt%. He also has been playing great defense.‬

[Eyeamok]

Brett needs to find a way to stagger Tobias' minutes. Clear now he doesnt play well with Embiid

Simmons/Embiid
Horford/Harris.

Some would say that Simmons and Embiid don't play well together.

For the sake of a possible championship. Can't they all just get along?

[Sixerscan]

Brett needs to find a way to stagger Tobias' minutes. Clear now he doesnt play well with Embiid

Simmons/Embiid
Horford/Harris.

Some would say that Simmons and Embiid don't play well together.

For the sake of a possible championship. Can't they all just get along?

Yeah sacrifice is part of being on a great team. They all play well together they just don’t put up the same numbers when there isn’t another guy using possessions. Kevin Durant never reached close to his MVP numbers as a Warrior and ditto Curry after Durant got there it doesn’t mean they were a bad fit together. Kobe averaged more without Shaq, Wade averaged more without Shaq or Lebron. Many examples throughout history.