Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[Kobblehead]

How about the poor mans Booker the reigning 3pt champion Buddy Hield?

Horford, Josh Richardson and Scott or Zhiare for Hield and Barnes.


Kings get tougher , more size and defense.


76ers add shooting our biggest need.

Embiid/ Pelle resigned / Vet
Tobias/Barnes
Thybulle/ Kormaz
Hield/ Shake/ Zhiare?
Simmons/ micic signed

Nope. Defense would be horrible and we still have no shotcreation. We become a worse playoff team with this trade.

[youngcrev]

LaVine would be a good get for our needs, but he's not anywhere near the player that Booker is.

I still don't see the discrepancy you have between the two.

Zach is harder to defend on the ball and a better defender. If anything, I'd give him the slight nod.

Higher volume scorer on better efficiency with greater overall impact on team offense.

Per 82games.com (since different places seem to use different measures for ORTG) the Suns are at 116.0 per 100 possessions with Booker on the floor and 103.1 with him off.

For LaVine, the Bulls are at 109.1 with him on and 104.7 with him off.

Zach just fits the "guy putting up numbers on a bad team" stereotype. It's the Zach LaVine show in Chicago (poor decisions and all) and the Bulls have the 2nd worst offense in the league (only above the G-League Warriors). I'm mostly just intrigued by the skill set and how he'd fit playing off of Ben and Jo.

With Booker, your talking about a guy that can legitimately carry a good offense.

[Kobblehead]

I don't think either player can carry an offense (and definitely not a good one).

The Suns are only not a bottom 3 offense again this year because Booker is doing his least amount of shotcreating since his rookie year. They moved him off the ball and are running a ton more offense for him. Ricky Rubio has been a godsend to Devin Booker.

Halfcourt: I think Zach is just simply harder to guard on the ball. Far superior athletically, obviously. And he's somehow even a better shooter.
Passing: Booker has become a very good passer. Zach has always been a good passer, but never reaching the level Booker is currently at. Booker gets the nod.
Defense: Booker is still one of the worst defenders in the NBA. Zach has become a strong defender this year on a sneaky decent defensive team. Zach gets the nod.

I just think Lavine is a better all-around player.

[youngcrev]

Booker was still more efficient last year without Rubio than LaVine has ever been. I just think he's a better, smarter basketball player. Takes better shots, gets to the line more, better passer. Those are all pretty important aspects in a primary perimeter option. He was actually playing pretty good defense at the start of the year too, but realistically your not looking to either of these guys to be anything more than a non-liability on that end.

More importantly, I think his current role is translatable to a good team, while LaVine needs to be scaled down. I think a lot of teams probably look at Zach more like he could be an elite 6th man rather than a primary option on a good team.

[Monix]

neither of those dudes are a primary anything on a good team - they both only play one end of the court and not in a way that makes up for doing nothing at the other end

[ankle420breaker]

Tobias, Richardson, Scott, Zhaire Smith for Conley, Ingles, Clarkson

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[Ball4life32]

Do they need him to be a shot creator with Trae on the floor?

A young, good shooter with the size/athleticism to be a decent defender. I don't think he'd be a liability defensively the way I think Korkmaz would be in a playoff series.

I think he'll be a starting caliber floor stretching wing.

Why keep him beyond his rookie contract if he doesn't have any scoring upside, though? It's not like he's a good defensive player.

The again, I disagree with nearly everything Atlanta is doing these days.

Had they drafted Okogie instead of Huerter and then Alexander-Walker/Culver instead of Hunter while still landing Reddish, I'd think they'd be much better positioned to protect Young defensively and gradually climb out of the basement and make their way to the playoffs. As it stands now, they're pretty hopeless on both ends of the court and Lloyd Piece is probably going to get fired.

I’m confused how he doesn’t have scoring upside? He averaged 12+/4/4 (& w/ injured beginning of the year) at 21 years old....he’s not close to his prime yet. Shot 38% from 3 on over 5 attempts a game (& shoots 3’s in every facet) & had a solid 17.5 assist % for a SG. Hawks had him playing as their secondary ball handler so he can definitely create some. Cant see them doing that deal.

Not to mention, Hawks had the worst shooting team in the nba & you have them better off with Okogie (26.6% from 3 on 2.5 attempts)? And then NCW who had a .441 TS% off the bench? Huerter & Hunter are much better prospects. The Hawks also played much better when they had a full team of their young guys (not including Capela)...they were just absolutely horrible when Collins was suspended. Maybe not as hopeless as it seems.

[Ball4life32]

Booker was still more efficient last year without Rubio than LaVine has ever been. I just think he's a better, smarter basketball player. Takes better shots, gets to the line more, better passer. Those are all pretty important aspects in a primary perimeter option. He was actually playing pretty good defense at the start of the year too, but realistically your not looking to either of these guys to be anything more than a non-liability on that end.

More importantly, I think his current role is translatable to a good team, while LaVine needs to be scaled down. I think a lot of teams probably look at Zach more like he could be an elite 6th man rather than a primary option on a good team.

I agree, Booker over Lavine. More efficient scorer & better passer. Plus Booker is 1 1/2 years younger.

[youngcrev]

Tobias, Richardson, Scott, Zhaire Smith for Conley, Ingles, Clarkson

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I think it makes us worse. Massive salary dump though

[ankle420breaker]

Tobias, Richardson, Scott, Zhaire Smith for Conley, Ingles, Clarkson

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I think it makes us worse. Massive salary dump though

I guess it depends on how we utilize the salary dump after Conley expires. Ingles would be a nice fit alongside Ben and Joel.

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[Kobblehead]

I’m confused how he doesn’t have scoring upside? He averaged 12+/4/4 (& w/ injured beginning of the year) at 21 years old....he’s not close to his prime yet. Shot 38% from 3 on over 5 attempts a game (& shoots 3’s in every facet) & had a solid 17.5 assist % for a SG. Hawks had him playing as their secondary ball handler so he can definitely create some. Cant see them doing that deal.

Not to mention, Hawks had the worst shooting team in the nba & you have them better off with Okogie (26.6% from 3 on 2.5 attempts)? And then NCW who had a .441 TS% off the bench? Huerter & Hunter are much better prospects. The Hawks also played much better when they had a full team of their young guys (not including Capela)...they were just absolutely horrible when Collins was suspended. Maybe not as hopeless as it seems.

Do you think Kevin Heurter can go on the ball and beat NBA defenders for buckets in the halfcourt? Because that's all that matters in regards to his scoring. His points are buffed heavily by his 5+ 3pfga per game.

Okogie's current shooting doesn't matter to me. It's about playing the long game. His collegiate and pro free throw percentages prove his shooting upside. He's already a ready-made athletic defender with a freaky wingspan. He's a guy that is actually covetable for a playoff roster. Unlike Kevin Heurter.

Do you honestly think the scoring efficiency of a rookie who plays 12 mpg is pertinent? Alexander-Walker is clearly the best prospect of the four mentioned. He can do it all: score on the ball, pass, defend, shoot. Don't be surprised in a few years when he's looking like pseudo-Beal.

[Ball4life32]

I’m confused how he doesn’t have scoring upside? He averaged 12+/4/4 (& w/ injured beginning of the year) at 21 years old....he’s not close to his prime yet. Shot 38% from 3 on over 5 attempts a game (& shoots 3’s in every facet) & had a solid 17.5 assist % for a SG. Hawks had him playing as their secondary ball handler so he can definitely create some. Cant see them doing that deal.

Not to mention, Hawks had the worst shooting team in the nba & you have them better off with Okogie (26.6% from 3 on 2.5 attempts)? And then NCW who had a .441 TS% off the bench? Huerter & Hunter are much better prospects. The Hawks also played much better when they had a full team of their young guys (not including Capela)...they were just absolutely horrible when Collins was suspended. Maybe not as hopeless as it seems.

Do you think Kevin Heurter can go on the ball and beat NBA defenders for buckets in the halfcourt? Because that's all that matters in regards to his scoring. His points are buffed heavily by his 5+ 3pfga per game.

Okogie's current shooting doesn't matter to me. It's about playing the long game. His collegiate and pro free throw percentages prove his shooting upside. He's already a ready-made athletic defender with a freaky wingspan. He's a guy that is actually covetable for a playoff roster. Unlike Kevin Heurter.

Do you honestly think the scoring efficiency of a rookie who plays 12 mpg is pertinent? Alexander-Walker is clearly the best prospect of the four mentioned. He can do it all: score on the ball, pass, defend, shoot. Don't be surprised in a few years when he's looking like pseudo-Beal.

Yes I’ve seen him do it before....Pierce has told him multiple times to be more aggressive going to the basket. He wouldn’t be telling him this if he had 0 ability to beat an NBA defender off the dribble like you claim. He’s actually an underrated athlete that is solid getting into lane... if he can add a consistent floater or mid range shot his offense can go to another gear.

I watched every single Okogie game at Tech. He was a low volume spot up 3 point shooter. Below average ball handler.. Huerter clearly much better offensively now or potentially. Unless you really needed Defense over Offense badly, Huerter is definitely more covetable for a playoff roster.

I don’t see anything special about him. And it’s not like he struggled early & looked better in the 2nd half. In reality, he was the #17 pick that averaged 5 points on 34 FG% / 44 TS%. He’s nowhere close to the best prospect of the 4 at the moment.

[Kobblehead]

If Atlanta thinks Heurter has scoring upside, by all means, spend their cap however they want. I think he's just a closeout attacker, at best. So he'd be a defensive zero that can't create in real games against real opponents. A guy like that has no value, in my eyes. Just another Korkmaz/Milton-like regular season player that adds to offensive symmetry.

I'm talking about evaluating all four prospects on paper. NAW is clearly the best to me in that regard.

Hunter can't defend and he's a pseudo-creater, at best. Creation core on a losing team. Or bench scorer on a real team.
Heurter can't defend or create (in my eyes). Losing team rotation player. Non rotation on a real team.
Okogie is a strong defender with shooting upside. Winning team rotation player with potential to be a starter.
Alexander-Walker is a strong creator that can defend and pass. Star player on a winning team upside. Best skillset and projection of the four.

[ProcessDoctor]

PHI out: Horford, Richardson, Smith, Micic, OKC 1st
PHI in: Beal

SAC out: Hield, Parker
SAC in: Horford, Richardson, Micic

WSH out: Beal
WSH in: Hield, Parker, Smith, OKC 1st


Simmons(34)/Milton(14)
Beal(34)/Milton(7)/Korkmaz(7)
Thybulle(30)/Korkmaz(18)
Harris(34)/Scott(14)
Embiid(30)/MLE(18)

[youngcrev]

PHI out: Horford, Richardson, Smith, Micic, OKC 1st
PHI in: Beal

SAC out: Hield, Parker
SAC in: Horford, Richardson, Micic

WSH out: Beal
WSH in: Hield, Parker, Smith, OKC 1st


Simmons(34)/Milton(14)
Beal(34)/Milton(7)/Korkmaz(7)
Thybulle(30)/Korkmaz(18)
Harris(34)/Scott(14)
Embiid(30)/MLE(18)

The Kings would just cut us out and make up the value elsewhere

[SparksFly87]

We got more assets than the nets don't let these clowns form a big 3 offer everything but Simmons,Embiid and Thybulle.

[youngcrev]

We got more assets than the nets don't let these clowns form a big 3 offer everything but Simmons,Embiid and Thybulle.

I'm not losing sleep over putting Thybulle on the table for Beal.

[ankle420breaker]

Richardson, Thybulle, Harris, OKC 1st for Beal & Bertans.

Hate the idea of trading Thybulle, but Beal's demand will require parting with legitimate assets. Any Beal scenario that doesn't include Thybulle likely wouldn't be entertained.

I'd argue its justifiable for what could be the toughest big 3 in the association.

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[SparksFly87]

Thybulle is a deal breaker for me.

[ProcessDoctor]

Richardson, Thybulle, Harris, OKC 1st for Beal & Bertans.

Hate the idea of trading Thybulle, but Beal's demand will require parting with legitimate assets. Any Beal scenario that doesn't include Thybulle likely wouldn't be entertained.

I'd argue its justifiable for what could be the toughest big 3 in the association.

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It would be tough to win with how bad our defense would be though. I'd trade either Thybulle or Richardson, but not both. Harris + Thybulle + OKC 1st + 2022 1st for Beal?

Simmons(24)/Milton(20)/Beal(4)
Beal(30)/Korkmaz(18)
Richardson(33)/Smith(15)
MLE(28)/Simmons(10)/Horford(10)
Embiid(30)/Horford(18)

Edit: Added 2022 FRP