Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[the_process]

Ntilikina = sux
Batum = just average
Washington = sux

And we gave up Tobi, Milton and a first?

We can probably get Love and Garland with that package.

Batum is an expiring and thats all good but that doesnt really benefit us that much like freeing us a max cap soce for the next offseason.

I find the trade to make us worse short term and long term. Just my opinion

The main focus needs to be on dumping Tobias. Getting a large expiring in Batum is all the better. And I like Washington next to Jo. Ntilikina still has some upside as an off ball PG with Simmons doing the ball handling.

Ntilikina and Ben Simmons? That’s like having a backcourt of Eric Snow and MCW. That wont work in today’s basketball, unless you are the Knicks

Frank has shooting upside. Are the Sixers the best team to get it out of him? Maybe not.

Tobias is a #1 on a lottery team. I would roll the dice in FA on improving upon him.

[Kobblehead]

Rozier is frustrating because he's a doofus with inconsistent play, but how can anyone possibly poo-poo his skillset? He can defend when he wants. He can score off the dribble in his sleep. He can hit shots off the ball. He has big game acumen. Scary Terry is a beast, when motivated and harnessed.

The key for me is not to let him play a role more than what he is capable off.

Off the bench or playing behind Ben and Biid may able to let you harness the best of him.

He gets unpredictable or inconsistent when he’s being asked to be Kemba Walker.

The thing is, he just played the biggest role and had the greenest light in his career and he put up career-best efficiency numbers. He defies conventional logic lol.

[76ciology]

Rozier is frustrating because he's a doofus with inconsistent play, but how can anyone possibly poo-poo his skillset? He can defend when he wants. He can score off the dribble in his sleep. He can hit shots off the ball. He has big game acumen. Scary Terry is a beast, when motivated and harnessed.

The key for me is not to let him play a role more than what he is capable off.

Off the bench or playing behind Ben and Biid may able to let you harness the best of him.

He gets unpredictable or inconsistent when he’s being asked to be Kemba Walker.

The thing is, he just played the biggest role and had the greenest light in his career and he put up career-best efficiency numbers. He defies conventional logic lol.

I’d say it’s because of his FTr and ridiculously high 3pt%. Basically what we need from Tobi’s scoring if you ask me.

Honestly, i dont know if his 3pt% is a fluke. Given the shortened season last season.

[Kobblehead]

I don't think it's a fluke, Terry has always had really strong shooting. The difference is the improved shot selection. For the first time in his career, 80% of his FGA behind the arc were assisted.

[youngcrev]

Rozier's a mediocre 6th man, bench guard IMO. Managed a solid .553TS this year, but that's a major outlier year for him with a career best by far 3pt% and a career high FTr (still didn't get to the line that much).

He'd fill a need on the team in terms of being a penetrating guard that can spot up... but meh. Dude's overpaid for what he is. I guess you could do something like Scott/Ferguson/Bradley if we're willing to take on the extra salary (not even sure if that works), otherwise you're giving up a better player than him to make a deal work.

[Kobblehead]

He was a major catalyst for an Eastern Conference Finals run in a year he posted like a 52% true shooting. Skillsets matter more than efficiency. You want to snatch up as many creators that can defend that you can get your hands on. Magical things can happen.

[76ciology]

He was a major catalyst for an Eastern Conference Finals run in a year he posted like a 52% true shooting. Skillsets matter more than efficiency. You want to snatch up as many creators that can defend that you can get your hands on. Magical things can happen.

That’s the non-morey route of winning the title.

Kind of what the Celts are doing. It’s actually the best route for non big market team given how the top players prefer to play in top destinations.

“Skillsets matter more than efficiency” is applicable if you have multiple guys who can create whereas you can pick which match-up is favorable. And a favorable match-up may make your “inefficient” creator more efficient.

[76ciology]

Just doing estimates.

So if you trade Tobi for Rozier (18M) and Zeller (15M).

The outlook is you get to have both guys to help you contend for the championship. Have around 45M worth of expiring contracts, trade exemption and picks to play around during the deadline. Then you’ll have around 15-18M of cap space by end of the season.

Have Rozier on his expiring in 2021-2022 season, then have the max cap space by offseason year 2022.

[Arsenal]

Just doing estimates.

So if you trade Tobi for Rozier (18M) and Zeller (15M).

The outlook is you get to have both guys to help you contend for the championship. Have around 45M worth of expiring contracts, trade exemption and picks to play around during the deadline. Then you’ll have around 15-18M of cap space by end of the season.

Have Rozier on his expiring in 2021-2022 season, then have the max cap space by offseason year 2022.

I think Morey would do this deal in a heartbeat if offered. Don't think Kupchak will do it though.

Bobcats roster:

PG Graham | Riller | ??
SG Ball | Monk | ??
SF Hayward | Bridges | McDaniels
PF Harris | Washington | ??
CE Biyombo | Carey | ??

It's not a completely terrible team though. Should be able to make the playoffs in the East.

[Arsenal]

Sixers trade: PF Tobias Harris
Knicks trade: PF Julius Randle

Knicks have just enough open cap to do this as Randle makes $18M while Tobi makes $35M. Sixers take a hit on spacing but get out of the Tobi contract and get a 1 year stopgap. Randle only has $4M guaranteed in 2021-22.

PG Curry
SG Green
SF Simmons
PF Randle
CE Embiid

Would no doubt try to flip Randle for a stretch-4 in the future.

[76ciology]

Just doing estimates.

So if you trade Tobi for Rozier (18M) and Zeller (15M).

The outlook is you get to have both guys to help you contend for the championship. Have around 45M worth of expiring contracts, trade exemption and picks to play around during the deadline. Then you’ll have around 15-18M of cap space by end of the season.

Have Rozier on his expiring in 2021-2022 season, then have the max cap space by offseason year 2022.

I think Morey would do this deal in a heartbeat if offered. Don't think Kupchak will do it though.

Bobcats roster:

PG Graham | Riller | ??
SG Ball | Monk | ??
SF Hayward | Bridges | McDaniels
PF Harris | Washington | ??
CE Biyombo | Carey | ??

It's not a completely terrible team though. Should be able to make the playoffs in the East.

This is a great deal for Kupchak.

You mentioned how this team may make the play-offs. Last time they did was in 2016. Making the play-offs is almost the championship for this team.

They’d still be in really good cap condition. Outside of the guys they added during the 2020 offseason (Tobi, Hayward and Ball), they only have 32M in salary during 2021 offseason and around 7M in salary in 2022 offseason.
That’s like 10-15M cap space in 2021 and 30-35M cap space in 2022. Still in very good cap condition. Enough to take another Tobias

No FA will sign at Charlotte. The best they can do is to pay someone in Hayward’s tier like Tobi.

This move allows them to compete for the playoffs, cheaply in the next 4 seasons. While they have Ball and their picks to make homerun plays.

[76ciology]

Sixers trade: PF Tobias Harris
Knicks trade: PF Julius Randle

Knicks have just enough open cap to do this as Randle makes $18M while Tobi makes $35M. Sixers take a hit on spacing but get out of the Tobi contract and get a 1 year stopgap. Randle only has $4M guaranteed in 2021-22.

PG Curry
SG Green
SF Simmons
PF Randle
CE Embiid

Would no doubt try to flip Randle for a stretch-4 in the future.

Let me make my comment.

Ben is not a scorer and he’s our team’s second best player.

We can’t just surround Biid and Ben with stretch 1 stretch 2 stretch 3 and stretch 4. We need scorers. This is why a guys like Tobi who is not only a stretch 4 but can also score, is important for a guy like Ben.

Think Ben as Rondo, he needs Ray Allen, Pierce and KG. If Rondo is just surrounded by shooters, he will get the ball to shooters. But will they be open?

[Sportfan73]

Ben is a scorer, and absolutely is not Rondo

[Arsenal]

Sixers trade: PF Tobias Harris
Knicks trade: PF Julius Randle

Knicks have just enough open cap to do this as Randle makes $18M while Tobi makes $35M. Sixers take a hit on spacing but get out of the Tobi contract and get a 1 year stopgap. Randle only has $4M guaranteed in 2021-22.

PG Curry
SG Green
SF Simmons
PF Randle
CE Embiid

Would no doubt try to flip Randle for a stretch-4 in the future.

Let me make my comment.

Ben is not a scorer and he’s our team’s second best player.

We can’t just surround Biid and Ben with stretch 1 stretch 2 stretch 3 and stretch 4. We need scorers. This is why a guys like Tobi who is not only a stretch 4 but can also score, is important for a guy like Ben.

Think Ben as Rondo, he needs Ray Allen, Pierce and KG. If Rondo is just surrounded by shooters, he will get the ball to shooters. But will they be open?

Julius Randle is a better pure scorer than Tobias Harris. The problem is that he can't space the floor, so he'll get in the way of Ben and Jo down low.

[spikeslovechild]

Tybulle is apparehently a target of the Bulls and they have been shopping Levine.

I'd do a trade like:

Levine plus Markkanen for Tybulle + Scott + Green plus a 1st. We'd pretty much solve our shooting issues both guys have contracts coming up so their values are much lower then they would be otherwise.

[ProcessDoctor]

Tybulle is apparehently a target of the Bulls and they have been shopping Levine.

I'd do a trade like:

Levine plus Markkanen for Tybulle + Scott + Green plus a 1st. We'd pretty much solve our shooting issues both guys have contracts coming up so their values are much lower then they would be otherwise.

Where'd you hear that news? Not that I don't believe you. I think I'd part with Thybulle for him, but it'd be a painful goodbye. I'd trade Curry instead of Green though, given how much defense we'd already be losing with Thybulle.

Edit: Porter's stock must be very low right now. They don't seem pleased with him after he recently threw a huge party.

Harris/Curry/Scott/2021 FRP for LaVine/Porter


Simmons(14)/Milton(28)/LaVine(6)
LaVine(28)/Korkmaz(20)
Green(24)/Thybulle(24)
Porter(28)/Simmons(20)
Embiid(30)/Howard(18)


Simmons/Milton/Maxey
LaVine/Korkmaz/Joe
Green/Thybulle/Ferguson
Porter/FA/Reed
Embiid/Howard/Bradley

[spikeslovechild]

Tybulle is apparehently a target of the Bulls and they have been shopping Levine.

I'd do a trade like:

Levine plus Markkanen for Tybulle + Scott + Green plus a 1st. We'd pretty much solve our shooting issues both guys have contracts coming up so their values are much lower then they would be otherwise.

Where'd you hear that news? Not that I don't believe you. I think I'd part with Thybulle for him, but it'd be a painful goodbye. I'd trade Curry instead of Green though, given how much defense we'd already be losing with Thybulle.

Edit: Porter's stock must be very low right now. They don't seem pleased with him after he recently threw a huge party.

Harris/Curry/Scott/2021 FRP for LaVine/Porter


Simmons(14)/Milton(28)/LaVine(6)
LaVine(28)/Korkmaz(20)
Green(24)/Thybulle(24)
Porter(28)/Simmons(20)
Embiid(30)/Howard(18)


Simmons/Milton/Maxey
LaVine/Korkmaz/Joe
Green/Thybulle/Ferguson
Porter/FA/Reed
Embiid/Howard/Bradley

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[spikeslovechild]

Tybulle is apparehently a target of the Bulls and they have been shopping Levine.

I'd do a trade like:

Levine plus Markkanen for Tybulle + Scott + Green plus a 1st. We'd pretty much solve our shooting issues both guys have contracts coming up so their values are much lower then they would be otherwise.

Where'd you hear that news? Not that I don't believe you. I think I'd part with Thybulle for him, but it'd be a painful goodbye. I'd trade Curry instead of Green though, given how much defense we'd already be losing with Thybulle.

Edit: Porter's stock must be very low right now. They don't seem pleased with him after he recently threw a huge party.

Harris/Curry/Scott/2021 FRP for LaVine/Porter


Simmons(14)/Milton(28)/LaVine(6)
LaVine(28)/Korkmaz(20)
Green(24)/Thybulle(24)
Porter(28)/Simmons(20)
Embiid(30)/Howard(18)


Simmons/Milton/Maxey
LaVine/Korkmaz/Joe
Green/Thybulle/Ferguson
Porter/FA/Reed
Embiid/Howard/Bradley

I'm not trading Curry because of his contract. I understand not trading defense but shooting is more important right now. As far as Porter goes I'd be interested but he isn't a PF he isn't even 200lbs soaking wet. I know we are in an era of small ball but putting at PF with Simmons as his "best" backup is a recipe for disaster or puts at him at a disadvantage defensively against bigger PF. I'd be interested in pairing Harris and Porter together but it would be difficult while pulling a trade off for Levine we'd basically have to do one or the other.

But Green Scott and Ferguson works in trade machine probably add a pick. I don't think Porter will cost more then that as a rental.

Embiid
Harris
Porter
Thybulle/Curry/Milton
Simmons/Milton

Adds a bit more shooting and defense because Porter is an upgrade over Green. The issue still becomes they lack a natural SG and capable ball handler other then Simmons.

[76ciology]

MY TAKE FOR LAVINE TO SIXERS

Trade 1

Sixers:
Lavine
Satoransky (2 years 10M)
Thaddeus Young (2 years 14M)

Bobcats:
Tobias Harris

Bulls:
Terry Rozier (2 years)
Thybulle
Zeller (14M expiring)

Got Bulls someone who can be their lead guard with Rozier. He’s not that good compared to Lavine but they get compensated with the expiring salary and Thybulle.

Rozier-White backcourt, thybulle and
Patrick Williams at the wings, markanen and wendel as the team’s bigs. Then more than a max in 2021.

Trade 2

Sixers:
Lavine
Satoransky (2 years 10M)
Thaddeus Young (2 years 14M)

Bulls:
Tobias Harris
Thybulle

They get a 20ppg guy and a promising defensive G in Thybulle.

Bulls will have a max cap space in 2021 offseason even with Tobi’s contract.

Bulls:
Coby White
Thybulle
Patrick Williams
Tobias Harris
Wendell Carter

Trade 3

Sixers:
Lavine

Bulls:
14M expiring (ferguson, mike scott, Tbradley and Furkan)
Thybulle
Milton or Maxey

More than max cap space in 2021, they also got a couple of promising players in Thybulle and or Milton or Maxey.

Sixers:
Lavine
Danny Green
Ben
Tobias
Biid
^ that’s really good

[SparksFly87]

I'd offer Tobias and Thybulle for Lavine and filler . Just to get Tobias off this team..