Tom Moore 2.0

[Westbrook36ptII]

I disagree there, Tom. I think Duhon blows. I don't think Felton is a star, but he has way more upside at least. More versatility to his game also IMO.

[tmoore]

Wasn't impressed with what I saw of Felton. Don't think he runs a team that well and isn't real quick. He did play better in the second half of the season, though.

[radrmd216]

I thought the Sixers were interested in Blake, so why wouldn't they be interested in Duhon. The Portland deal might have had a $2 million TPE, but that deal was taken off the table. Blake is a better 3pt shooter, but Duhon is a better defender. I think I would actually take Duhon over Blake becuase Duhon's ability to hit the 3 is bettr than Blake's defense. The sixrs need something in return for Miller. An expiring contract is nice to have and might be even more in demand this year with the cap rumored to be dramatically decreasing. Even if the sixers don't move the expiring contract maybe they could sign Duhon as a backup if Lou isn'y part of the future plans.

[Carcharios]

STChaser

STChaser

STChaser

Isn't there a rule on this board about posting with multiple handles? After all, unless I'm mistaken, this is the same numbskull that constantly proclaimed Sam the second coming of Bill Russell, isn't it?

You've got too much free time on your hands if you really took the time to go back and research my posts. I had an old account under Carcharios from several years back and sometimes when I'm rushed, I log in under that name. Whoopdeedamndoo. Does it really matter? I sign my posts STChaser regardless so it doesn't take a genius to figure this out that the above usernames are the same person. But congratulations for figuring out the obvious.

As for Sam, no, I never proclaimed him the next "Bill Russell". But Sam was better than any other big man we had on our roster at the time. If you don't believe me, you tell me who was more skilled to play the 5 than Sam? Sam has his faults but he also had potential. I still think he's one of the better 5's in the league when he comes to play - which is a big problem I have with him, but I think he's maxed out on his potential at this point and I'm not a fan of his whishy-washy attitude about wanting to be here.

STChaser - Carcharios - PhantomX - does it really matter? Most posters with half a brain have known for years that these are all my usernames.

[bebopdeluxe]

If we could sign Felton for one year at the MLE, I woul dbe OK with that...but why the f*cj would we sigbn Felton for more that that? Unlike somebody like, say, Jack, Felton can ONLY play PG - which limits flexibility (either in terms of his PT or in the event that we could trade Lou or Green at some point, and we would need our MLE signing to play some SG). He's not a plus defender or 3-point shooter.

Unless it's a one-year deal, Felton makes ZERO sense.

[tk76]

Would have liked to see Jack on this team. Not a huge loss, but he could have fit nciely on this roster at age 25 with the ability to defend, shoot the 3 and play both guard positions. Would have fit nicely next to either Lou or Jrue.

I'm sure if the team had some financial flexibility they would have gone after him.

[LongLiveHinkie]

If we could sign Felton for one year at the MLE, I woul dbe OK with that...but why the f*cj would we sigbn Felton for more that that? Unlike somebody like, say, Jack, Felton can ONLY play PG - which limits flexibility (either in terms of his PT or in the event that we could trade Lou or Green at some point, and we would need our MLE signing to play some SG). He's not a plus defender or 3-point shooter.

Unless it's a one-year deal, Felton makes ZERO sense.

He's not Jason Kapono, but Felton can hit some 3 balls for you. He's below average, but better than Miller.

I don;'t care about having a lights out 3 point shooter at point if they can do other things.

[ryst]

Would have liked to see Jack on this team. Not a huge loss, but he could have fit nciely on this roster at age 25 with the ability to defend, shoot the 3 and play both guard positions. Would have fit nicely next to either Lou or Jrue.

I'm sure if the team had some financial flexibility they would have gone after him.

what does that mean?
the Spurs,raptors,cavs,lakers didnt have financial flexibility as well , so did many other teams , but they choose to spend more money and try to get better.
they choose to pay the luxary tax or be close to it.

the sixers decided not to spend money this summer, and enough of this bull talk about "this signing wont make us a contender" ,one signing will not make any team a contender(just like we saw with brand last year) a few signing and many other issues will make a tram contender.
but the first thing to be a contender in this league is to spend money , to go over the top and go after who they want to go after.
the lakers,spurs,cavs and many other team went in this direction.

the suns who could have been a contender for a long long time choose not to do so and sold first round picks and good to very good players just to clear cap and not spend money.
the clippers hve been doing this for 20 years.
the sixers dont want to be contenders, they want to put a decent team on the court(which they have) and put some butts in the seats, spend as less as possible and they prefer to make money then to win games and be a contender.
the sixers are the clippers of the east.

the sixers have ownership and managment group who lie to us the fans , they dont want to win , they want to make money and spend as less as possible, and if you want to be a contender that system doesnt work.

take Jack, other then Iguodala(Miller is gone in my opinion) Jack is better then anything we got at the one or two spot(Jack is a much better all around player then Lou Williams) he is young,can get better and can be signed for a decent deal
but the sixers dont even try to get him , they dont care about winning , they care about not spending money.

[tk76]

The Sixers went over the tax for a bunch of years while AI was here. They though they could build a contender around AI and CWebb (and were badly mistaken.)

Right now the team is nowhere near contention, so the team is staying below the tax- like 23 of the 30 teams in the NBA. This is frustrating, but is pretty much standard operating procedure for teams with no shot at contending. Sure, it woould be great to have a billionaire nutcase who does not care about the tax- but that can end up burying you with overpaid MLE guys, so is no guarantee of contention. Most FA signing end up being paid too much. Trades and the draf is the way to winning.

Comcast loses a ton of money yearly on the SIxers (since no one goes to the games.) They keep them because they can write off the losses while having the team works synergisticly with their core business. They want a winner, and have tried to pay for one. They just have hired the wrong people to run the team (Snyder, BK and others.)

[radrmd216]

TK you are right most MLE guys are overpayed. Maybe you could make a list but I think almost all are overpaid and never stay productive for the entire contract.

Ryst, I understand your frustration but the Sixers are just too young right to waste money on just a decent free agent. just becuase the sixers have money doesnt mean they have to spend it. I would rather the sixers wait a a few seasons after the young guys have matured and the front office gets a better idea of who should be on the roster and then make a good MLE signing. I don't want the sixers to make a 3-4 year signing now and then be over the tax in a few years when they could sign some one thats a better fir with the roster. The roster will undergo changes and could be a lot diferent in 2 years.

I don't think the Sixers are the Clippers of the East. The knonk on the Clippers is that they don't want to spend money. The Sixers were proabbly one of the most spending teams of this decade. I'm not saying the money was used very wisely but at least they tried.

The Sixers probably aren't spening like the majority of the lague becuase they are not contending. An investment right now in a player will not have a great return becuase he would not make the sixers wn so people will not be in the stands. I think Comcast will spend in a few years when the young guys mature and an investment in a free agent will have a much greater return on the investment.

[Gsraider]

GSRaider, point accepted. You're probably right about my constant harping on Brand - not so much because I don't like him as a person but because I think too many posters here see him as a franchise player who just needs time to regain his form.

As for this upcoming season, I still think less is more this time around. The more games we lose, the better off for our franchise in terms of getting an impact player. I know that others have their own opinions but I just don't see any other way of getting that franchise player. The two "stars" we've gotten since AI - CWebb and Brand were both acquired post draft and both were liabilities due to the wear and tear on their bodies. The ONLY real franchise player we've had (AI) was gotten through the draft. I think we can build the pieces we need to surround that star caliber player via free agency but the star is most likely going to have to come via the draft - and the only way we're going to get that pick is with a lottery pick.

I just find the harping to be a bit too bad because I think you are a good poster, whose good points are often lost in what often seems like an obsession with Brand. I also believe that the team intends to go with Brand, so you might as well root for him and hope you are wrong. What other choice do you have?

I also don't find losing to be a positive, particularly if it is a tank job in the hopes of finding a savior in the draft. The draft has way many failures and simply solid players than it does franchise guys, so I wouldn't want to bet that route. I also understand the frustration of fans if they thought Brand was a franchise guy. I'm not sure he ever was, but he was an all-star and a damn good player. If the team goes to a motion offense with picking and better shooting, I think you will be far happier with what you see of Brand this year, particularly with better outside shooting.

[BobbyJones]

STChaser - Carcharios - PhantomX - does it really matter? Most posters with half a brain have known for years that these are all my usernames.

Well it is nice to see you haven't changed, Carch, no matter what handle you post under. I'll be sure to put all three of you on ignore.

[ryst]

how many times can you guys talk about contender this and contender that , about how a "player" will not make this team a "contender"?

so let me ask you this , if a team doesn't have to potential to win a championship, you shouldn't improve it?

there were many ways to make this team better this summer , this changes might have not brought us a championship but those changes would make the team better.

you dont build a championship team in one summer, you do it a in a few years but you have to start somewhere.
the ownership and managment of this team tell us (the fans) that they think they wont be able to build a championship team because they dont want to spend more money and all of us should be ok with it.
i am not ok with it, and i am sure in the next few years when you watch Stefanski run this team to the ground most of you will come around , so you better enjoy the ride...

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

I think it's kind of unfair to say Stefanski isn't spending. He committed alot of salary to several key players.

-Lou Williams took a step back, but 4.5 Million is right around his value whether he stepped back or not.
-Andre Iguodala's contract you can argue is 1-2 million overpaid but I thought he made strides last year as a basketball player.
-I'm not going to give up on Elton Brand, because he showed us good stuff.

The Dalembert, Green Contracts are hurting us. That's 14 Million that could be going towards better players at those positions.

[Kevin12]

what does that mean?
the Spurs,raptors,cavs,lakers didnt have financial flexibility as well , so did many other teams , but they choose to spend more money and try to get better.
they choose to pay the luxary tax or be close to it.

the sixers decided not to spend money this summer, and enough of this bull talk about "this signing wont make us a contender" ,one signing will not make any team a contender(just like we saw with brand last year) a few signing and many other issues will make a tram contender.
but the first thing to be a contender in this league is to spend money , to go over the top and go after who they want to go after.
the lakers,spurs,cavs and many other team went in this direction.

the suns who could have been a contender for a long long time choose not to do so and sold first round picks and good to very good players just to clear cap and not spend money.
the clippers hve been doing this for 20 years.
the sixers dont want to be contenders, they want to put a decent team on the court(which they have) and put some butts in the seats, spend as less as possible and they prefer to make money then to win games and be a contender.
the sixers are the clippers of the east.

the sixers have ownership and managment group who lie to us the fans , they dont want to win , they want to make money and spend as less as possible, and if you want to be a contender that system doesnt work.

take Jack, other then Iguodala(Miller is gone in my opinion) Jack is better then anything we got at the one or two spot(Jack is a much better all around player then Lou Williams) he is young,can get better and can be signed for a decent deal
but the sixers dont even try to get him , they dont care about winning , they care about not spending money.

Have some patience and stop acting hyperactive.

Read this and let act as Riddlen.

THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR (SECOND WITH CURRENT REGIME) OF A REBUILD. FIRST YEAR UNDER EDDIE JORDAN. WE NEED TO SEE IF OUR TEAM CAN EVEN OPERATE UNDER HIS SYSTEM!

The only player on this roster who is developed enough that you can say "okay, this guy is ready to compete for a ring" is Iguodala. THESE PLAYERS ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO THEY ARE AS NBA PLAYERS.

LOL at dudes wanting them to show their cards and go all-in after (essentially) the first year.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

I think people are frustrated with the fact that this is a building puzzle, but they don't have the flexibility to go out and finish the puzzle.

I'm frustrated too, but I won't give up hope till we see what the kids can do in a Sixers uniform.
I'm especially frustrated that the Pacers won't match an MLE deal for Jack.

If Miller is not coming back, we can afford the MLE. If the Roberts Boys wanna win, then you have to do SOMETHING.

You can't just go into Free Agency, then say "Oh, I don't wanna do anything".

Good teams can afford to say that.

We aren't that good.

[tk76]

No team has committed more money to NBA players than the Sixers since ES took over. 185M to Brand, Iguodala and Lou.

The problem is not a lack of spending. Like always for the Sixers, its a question of who they are spending the money on. 3 years ago they were spending 40M of AI and Cwebb. In 3 years they will be spending 33M on Brand and Iguodala. When 50%+ of you cap is locked into that level of star you won't be a contender whichever MLE type players you sign.

[tk76]

TK you are right most MLE guys are overpayed. Maybe you could make a list but I think almost all are overpaid and never stay productive for the entire contract.

From Brian at depressedfan:

http://www.depressedfan.com/basketball/ ... -lists.php

These are the guys who teams spent the MLE on, against better judgment, and are still paying the price.

* Brian Scalabrine
* Nazr Mohammed
* Vladimir Radmanovic
* DeSagana Diop
* Jerome James
* Tim Thomas
* Steven Hunter
* Kwame Brown
* Marquis Daniels
* Greg Buckner
* Brian Cardinal
* Darius Songalia
* Trenton Hassell
* Eduardo Najera
* Antonio Daniels
* Morris Peterson
* James Posey
* Jared Jeffries
* Chris Duhon
* Earl Watson
* Chucky Atkins
* Damien Wilkins
* Beno Udrih
* Jason Kapono
* Reggie Evans
* Marcus Banks
* Mike James
* DeShawn Stevenson

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Steven Hunter before injury is solid. James Posey is DEF worth the MLE, just not the length of the contract. Who the hell spends that kind of money on the following names: Kapono, Evans, Banks, James, Stevenson???

Udrih is understandable, young PG that played well but fell of the map. Young players are inconsistent.
The rest of those names, EPIC FAIL.

[radrmd216]

TK thanks for that list.

It's almost like the whole idea of the MLE signing is flawed. Every MLE player has a flaw. They could be too old, they could have potential they never reach, or they could just be a specialist. I can't think if any MLE signing that was worth it. I think the only time an MLE is worth it is when the team is on the verge of winning a championship. the Lakers signing Artest or the Spurs signing Mcdyess are good moves becuase those teams are in win now mode and could use a good rotation player.

The Sixers should not be criticized for their willingness to spend, but they should definitely be criticized for the effectiveness of their spending. As a fan I don't want to see the sixers overpay some MLE guy for multiple years. I think the Sixers need to play the young guys, see who meshes together, and who could be the leader(s). The team could be much different in 2 years and be ready to contend so a MLE signing would be much better then.

Everybody has to remember that the Sixes are a business. The money is guarenteed, so if the employee is horrible in a few years he still has a job, so spending wisely is very important. I think a good season would be getting a decent PG like Blake or Duhon, brand staying healthy, and the players taking their lumps and growing as players.