SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

The Sixer Fixer · Post #481 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 12:55 am

While I'm not big on the idea of flipping Iguodala for Jefferson, I will say this...

If my options are...

(1) We keep Iguodala and re-sign Hawes for a 2-4 year deal
(2) We trade for Jefferson and it guarantees they won't re-sign Hawes

...then I might just be for this Jefferson/Iguodala swap.

There really aren't a lot of SF options out there in FA though (starting quality at least). Also, it would need to be a guy who can shoot 3's at a good rate (if Turner is still starting). Best options are Batum (highly unlikely), Wallace (good D, not a great 3pt guy) and Jeff Green (health issues - combo F type). If they decided to go after a SG and move Turner to SF, you don't have great starter type options there either. Eric Gordon is the one exception. After him, you are looking at Mayo, G. Green, B. Rush, N. Young, J. Crawford, C. Lee, JR Smith, Fields, D. Green, etc.). Not sure I see any of those guys starting in between Jrue and Turner.

Other option is to find that SG or SF in the draft at 15, but that might be a stretch to expect someone to come in and start right away.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #482 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 1:12 am

Well I certainly don't think it's out of the question to move Evan Turner to small forward and either sign a guard or draft one (Austin Rivers).

51X3RF4N · Post #483 » by **51X3RF4N** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 1:34 am

Al Jefferson's offense isn't the only thing compensating for the loss of Iggy in that situation. You get a backup PG in Watson that would fit nicely, without having to go sign or draft someone to fill that need. Also, you forget to take away the things that Iggy does that detriment the team.

Jefferson gives the Sixers a legit big man to play at C. The Sixers can then draft a SF, or sign someone much cheaper than Iggy to play defense on the wing. Put it this way: I'd rather have a legit big and a stop-gap perimeter defender than a legit perimeter defender and a stop-gap big.

Do i think it's the ONLY option out there or the best option? No. But would I do it if the deal was on the table and nobody else was offering better? Yes.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #484 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 1:56 am

51X3RF4N wrote:Al Jefferson's offense isn't the only thing compensating for the loss of Iggy in that situation. You get a backup PG in Watson that would fit nicely, without having to go sign or draft someone to fill that need. Also, you forget to take away the things that Iggy does that detriment the team.

Earl Watson is garbage. We would be much better off just signing someone else to fill the backup role. There's plenty of backup PG's on the market this off-season.

Post #485 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 2:14 am

yeah 4 years ago he was a decent backup point but now he's fallen off a lot. still can play solid d though.

i don't think people realize how useless Jefferson is on defense.

Sixersftw · Post #486 » by **Sixersftw** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 2:18 am

Did SF1976 mention a rumor from his source about Jefferson? The thought of Iguodala for Jefferson is somewhat nauseating

Matt007b · Post #487 » by **Matt007b** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 2:19 am

numbers probably do not work but what about raja bell included instead of Watson?

Stupid question.. why are you open to moving Iggy? I haven't seen him much but I thought he was playing well? Is it his $15.9 contract or.. I know his numbers are down a little..? He'd fit in well here but his contract would eat up cap space over here..

freshie2 · Post #488 » by **freshie2** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 2:19 am

It isn't the era of the great big man, but Al Jeff is in the top 10 in all meaningful offensive categories among centers this past season. He isn't perfect, but getting a big man like him @ age 27 with an expiring contract isn't a bad option.

freshie2 · Post #489 » by **freshie2** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 2:22 am

Sixersftw wrote:Did SF1976 mention a rumor from his source about Jefferson? The thought of Iguodala for Jefferson is somewhat nauseating

He mentioned RT and Dougie, but I'm nt sure who he meant.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #490 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 2:23 am

I always thought of Jefferson more of a 4 not a center. If we got him, I wouldn't want him at center.

Sixersftw · Post #491 » by **Sixersftw** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 2:27 am

there isn't a big difference among today's NBA IMO. Offensively Jefferson is very good, even if he isn't the passer I wish he was, but he is such a woeful defender. 2 years of Spencer Hawes has really soured me towards big men who are question marks at defense.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #492 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 2:32 am

Westbrook36 wrote:I always thought of Jefferson more of a 4 not a center. If we got him, I wouldn't want him at center.

I don't think Jefferson needs to be tagged as a PF or C...what's important is who's playing next to him. It will need to be someone with decent height, is a good defender and can block shots. That will allow the two of them to matchup as needed depending on who they are going against.

Typeical · Post #493 » by **Typeical** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 2:33 am

I have never liked Bigs who couldnt defend. Thats why even when guys were high on Amare I wasnt.

Post #494 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 2:37 am

The Sixer Fixer wrote:
Westbrook36 wrote:I always thought of Jefferson more of a 4 not a center. If we got him, I wouldn't want him at center.

I don't think Jefferson needs to be tagged as a PF or C...what's important is who's playing next to him. It will need to be someone with decent height, is a good defender and can block shots. That will allow the two of them to matchup as needed depending on who they are going against.

Well we have plenty of those so that shouldn't be a problem.

Is there a guy that brings all of that that people wouldn't call a center?

The Sixer Fixer · Post #495 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 2:42 am

Sixerscan wrote:
The Sixer Fixer wrote:
Westbrook36 wrote:I always thought of Jefferson more of a 4 not a center. If we got him, I wouldn't want him at center.

I don't think Jefferson needs to be tagged as a PF or C...what's important is who's playing next to him. It will need to be someone with decent height, is a good defender and can block shots. That will allow the two of them to matchup as needed depending on who they are going against.

Well we have plenty of those so that shouldn't be a problem.

Is there a guy that brings all of that that people wouldn't call a center?

Yes, I think so. Do we have one OR is one available? No, probably not.

Post #496 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 2:47 am

I guess Ibaka is one. Taj Gibson, Milsap and Kenyon Martin a few years ago, but they don't really meet the height requirement.

Actually, the more I think about it, Brand could arguably fit that mold.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #497 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 3:01 am

Yes, Brand could, but he's obviously headed the wrong way.

You may say some of these guys are C's already, but in some cases it's just because they don't have any other options so they are played out of position. In addition to the guys you listed...

Horford, Biyombo, Josh Smith, Duncan, KG and Favors would be a few others.

sixerswillrule · Post #498 » by **sixerswillrule** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 3:35 am

Sixersftw wrote:Did SF1976 mention a rumor from his source about Jefferson? The thought of Iguodala for Jefferson is somewhat nauseating

It's basically Chris Kaman all over again. Both rumors, both bad ideas, both inefficient scoring big men who lack defense...

I can pretty much copy and paste everything I said about the Kaman rumors a year ago and say them again now.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #499 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 3:38 am

sixerswillrule wrote:
Sixersftw wrote:Did SF1976 mention a rumor from his source about Jefferson? The thought of Iguodala for Jefferson is somewhat nauseating

It's basically Chris Kaman all over again. Both rumors, both bad ideas, both inefficient scoring big men who lack defense...

I can pretty much copy and paste everything I said about the Kaman rumors a year ago and say them again now.

You know, Chris Kaman is a FA...just saying...

Ming · Post #500 » by **Ming** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 3:47 am

Why is this team so into making short-sighted lateral move?
They should trade for draft picks, stock pile as many young talent as possible, and either:
1. hope one of them becomes the star player they desperately need
2. use them as trade assets when a star player becomes available