2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

[Kobblehead]

The notion that Ben Simmons can't be a full-time wing is as baffling as the notion from last year that Mudiay was as athletic as John Wall.

In 3 games I haven't seen any outside game from Simmons to tell me he can play the 3 full time. He may develop one over time but, in a small sample I haven't seen it yet

Near-elite athleticism, near-elite ball handling, near-elite distributing. And he can defend every position on the floor in college. Even if his jumpshot was nothing more than Jakarrbage-esch, it wouldn't matter because the rest of his game is so complete.

[No-Man]

Simmons can defend outside, he is going to struggle to create his own offense as a perimeter player defended by wings early on unless his shot develops a lot, his 1on1 skills are not there.
He will have a much easier life against bigs as a PF.

[OleSchool]

The notion that Ben Simmons can't be a full-time wing is as baffling as the notion from last year that Mudiay was as athletic as John Wall.

In 3 games I haven't seen any outside game from Simmons to tell me he can play the 3 full time. He may develop one over time but, in a small sample I haven't seen it yet

Near-elite athleticism, near-elite ball handling, near-elite distributing. And he can defend every position on the floor in college. Even if his jumpshot was nothing more than Jakarrbage-esch, it wouldn't matter because the rest of his game is so complete.

How exactly is he going to score until his jumper develops? Drive into an already crowded lane? Right now he has no perimeter game

[Chuck Everett]

In 3 games I haven't seen any outside game from Simmons to tell me he can play the 3 full time. He may develop one over time but, in a small sample I haven't seen it yet

Near-elite athleticism, near-elite ball handling, near-elite distributing. And he can defend every position on the floor in college. Even if his jumpshot was nothing more than Jakarrbage-esch, it wouldn't matter because the rest of his game is so complete.

How exactly is he going to score until his jumper develops? Drive into an already crowded lane? Right now he has no perimeter game

How do we know for sure he doesn't have a jumpshot? I mean, this guy clearly doesn't belong in college. Do you think he should be taking jumpers just to prove he can make them at the pro level? Or just dominate in a way that helps his team win? At some point, he's going to play a team that tries to wall off the paint and make him beat them with his jumper and then we'll know.

Just need to be patient. Season just started.

[Duke4life831]

Near-elite athleticism, near-elite ball handling, near-elite distributing. And he can defend every position on the floor in college. Even if his jumpshot was nothing more than Jakarrbage-esch, it wouldn't matter because the rest of his game is so complete.

How exactly is he going to score until his jumper develops? Drive into an already crowded lane? Right now he has no perimeter game

How do we know for sure he doesn't have a jumpshot? I mean, this guy clearly doesn't belong in college. Do you think he should be taking jumpers just to prove he can make them at the pro level? Or just dominate in a way that helps his team win? At some point, he's going to play a team that tries to wall off the paint and make him beat them with his jumper and then we'll know.

Just need to be patient. Season just started.

We know he doesn't have a jumper because he didn't have a jumper in high school. The biggest question for him is, will he be able to score against NBA talent. We have yet to see him go against any legit college talent yet so we still are waiting to see what he can do against top level college talent.

[OleSchool]

Near-elite athleticism, near-elite ball handling, near-elite distributing. And he can defend every position on the floor in college. Even if his jumpshot was nothing more than Jakarrbage-esch, it wouldn't matter because the rest of his game is so complete.

How exactly is he going to score until his jumper develops? Drive into an already crowded lane? Right now he has no perimeter game

How do we know for sure he doesn't have a jumpshot? I mean, this guy clearly doesn't belong in college. Do you think he should be taking jumpers just to prove he can make them at the pro level? Or just dominate in a way that helps his team win? At some point, he's going to play a team that tries to wall off the paint and make him beat them with his jumper and then we'll know.

Just need to be patient. Season just started.

I am being patient and I don't want to come off as a hater, cause I'm not. I think Simmons is going to be a very good player in the league but, let's not make him more than he is right now.

In the 3 games I watched I think I can count on 1 hand how many jumpers he took. Right now shooting isn't his game. Could he develop a jumper? Sure but, no ones seen it yet, and I can't see him playing the wing until he developes one.

If anyone plays him at the 3 all defenses are going to do is sag off of him to prevent penetration. Our paint is crowed enough already with NN and OK4

[BNelley24]

Obviously early, but I really think next year's draft is turning into one of those #1 pick then a bunch of lesser talents. Simmons just seems far and away the best player available. He'll be hella hyped up come next summer...If we can get lucky for once and win the lottery drafting Ben Simmons would be a franchise jolter. Simmons - Okafor - Embiid - Noel - Saric +other picks...I'll buy season tickets for the first time in my life.

[OleSchool]

Why can't Ulis be 4 inches taller???

[iMoreland]

Future Sixer pt. 3

[SparksFly87]

Right now Ben Simmons looks like a 4. Mix between Aaron Gordan and Blake Griffin with elite handle and vision. His jump shot-face up game is non existant.

[Sportfan73]

Right now Ben Simmons looks like a 4. Mix between Aaron Gordan and Blake Griffin with elite handle and vision. His jump shot-face up game is non existant.

Stretch 4s win championships. Last non stretch 4 to win was garnett in BOS. Odom for LA cause Bynum was hurt both years, dirk, Lebron played the 4 both years they won, diaw tore it up for San Antonio the year they won, and draymond last year. I am absolutely fine with Simmons being a 4, and think Saric can fit perfectly and do the same.

[Foshan]

So if we don't win the lottery (Simmons) but we still get two picks, could Brown/Ingram work at the 2/3 together?

[iMoreland]

So if we don't win the lottery (Simmons) but we still get two picks, could Brown/Ingram work at the 2/3 together?

Don't see why they cant

Don't know why we'd go Brown/Ingram if Murray is available

If we can't get Simmons/Murray, I'd want Brown/Murray

[ImChillin01]

This is why this is considered a down year. Ingram and Skal have potential but both can be forgotten 4 years into their career. Simmons is the safest pick but many question if he can ever become a legitimate scoerer. I said it before and I'll say it again. Skal or Ingram wouldn't be top 5 picks in next year's draft and probably Simmons wouldn't either

Im taking Simmons over anybody not named Giles or Jackson. I also think Ingram > Tatum

Ingram is nowhere near Tatum. That one is not even close

I know Ingram was late bloomer and really shined in his Senior year but Im still taking him over Tatum

[Kobblehead]

Ivan Rabb is big time.

[charliez88PL]

I dont know guys... I really like Ben Simmons, but he's terrible fit for us right now.

I dont understand LeBron James comparison, James may be the most alhletic guy ever, and this is his best weapon. Simmons is average at best.

I see Simmons as SF in our team - we have Nerlens (our best player now), and Saric will be here next yr as well. His ballhandling skills and speed are amazing weapons for SF , not PF. And here is a problem - he's terrible shooter. Problems we have now with Nerlens+Jah will be much, much bigger. Covington and Grant are much better shooters than Simmons, but it doesnt help us much. Can you imagine team with Okafor/Nerlens/Simmons on frontcourt? If we'll keep Jah we have to add as many shooters as possible to our team. Jah/NN/Ben frontourt would guarantee us the most inefficient offence ever. Okafor needs slower pace, Ben - opposite. I dont what to see another MCW type offence in Philly.

The question is - do we see Ben Simmons as a better player/bigger upside than Jahlil? This is the only reason why we should get him. It'll be extremely hard to sell high Okafor if he'll play with Noel, and Simmons. Also... I think that currently Nerlens is still our best player, and basicly as a Center he guarantees us at leas top10 D, in offence hes good finisher. He's perfect C for smallball - so hell be always great fit - he can play with Sarić, Simmons, Embiid, Okafor obviously can play only with Sarić - question is - is he that good?

My dream is Kris Dunn - if he stays healthy. He's quite mature, so our program will be moved forward much more. He can attack the basket, he can pass, he's good playmarker, but most important : HEY! HE CAN SHOOT TREYS!! As season goes we'll see if he's worth top3 pick, but I think Hinkie should do whatever it takes to get him.

Also - I like Brandon Ingram - he's young, and SCARY skinny (even lightest then Durant when he was coming to the league), but hes great shooter, he can score, and we need it desperately ! He can be great defender thanks to amazing wingspan.

[ProcessDoctor]

I can see Simmons sliding in at the 4 next to either Noel or Embiid. Eventually, I think Okafor will be the odd man out and traded for another more experienced piece (PGeorge?). I love Okafor's game but he is so hard to build around IMO. If we could roll into next year with the following roster I'd be stoked:

Murray/Canaan/McConell
Stauskas/Thompson/Sampson
George/Covington/Grant
Simmons/Saric/Holmes
Noel/Embiid

This doesn't include the MIA/OKC picks. So many if's, but this is what it would take for me to be genuinely hopeful for our future. I think it would be safe to say that we'd be done bottoming out if the offseason went this way.

[Mik317]

I don't think we in a position to pass on talent because they don't fit. I wish we were but we aren't. Simmons may be a bad shooter now but he makes up for it with elite or near elite attributes everywhere else. Him being a 4 isn't the end of the world either considering, we technically still need that too. He and Noel would be a crazy frontcourt and with Saric , you'd have a similar esque skillsett coming off the bench. Okafor is flawed enough to not be able to dictate who we take and Embiid can only be counted as extra...not as anything more than that.

We somehow win the lottery...you take Simmons and figure it out. BPA has bit us in the ass recently but that was at 3 and Simmons is vastly different and does technically fit.

[Kobblehead]

I guarantee Simmons will fit into whatever system the team that drafts him runs.

[phiphan]

I dont know guys... I really like Ben Simmons, but he's terrible fit for us right now.

I dont understand LeBron James comparison, James may be the most alhletic guy ever, and this is his best weapon. Simmons is average at best. .

What?? In what world is Simmons is an "average at best" athlete?