Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

Easymoney · Post #481 » by **Easymoney** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:11 am

Simmons is beginning to reach mythical creature status......

He is not THAT much better than Ingram, if at all. It has to be the play style......people are enamored with the big guys handling the ball, damn all the other holes in his game so long as he is 6'10 and can dribble! Ingram is 6'10 too btw and can play the 3....

Agnostifarian · Post #482 » by **Agnostifarian** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:15 am

I'm going to be some pissed if Sonny C trades my birthday present!

Ericb5 · Post #483 » by **Ericb5** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:16 am

Easymoney wrote:Simmons is beginning to reach mythical creature status......

He is not THAT much better than Ingram.

Well the people that are pro Simmons have been saying it for months.

It isn't so much that he is so much better today, but he has a higher ceiling.

He is a true franchise talent. Does ANYONE argue that Ingram can be a franchise player?

Anyone?

They just argue that he fits better, and that Simmons has red flags. I don't think anyone with a straight face can argue that he is a franchise player.

I would probably take him over someone like Wiggins, but not Towns. Simmons is like another Towns.

James40 · Post #484 » by **James40** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:18 am

Ericb5 wrote:
Easymoney wrote:You wouldn't take Ingram and D'Angelo Russell over Simmons?

Embiid/Jah/Ingram/Russell/???? with Saric off the bench?

That lineup would have 4 guys who can shoot 3's, 2 guys who can dominate the post, and a guy who can be a defensive anchor on the perimeter.

I don't like Russell.

I would like him in the back court if we had Simmons because I consider Russell and Murray to basically be the same caliber of player, and we need ball handlers that can shoot to pair with Simmons.

Remember the old Three Stooges bit where Curly runs up the long stairs carrying a big block of ice, and when he gets to the top it is an ice cube?

He then gets mad and tries to run up with two blocks of ice, and he ends up with two ice cubes.

Ingram and Russell are both talented guys that don't add up to a single Simmons.

Would you trade Durant or Westbrook for Lowry and Derozan? Hell no. That is what this is to me.

Simmons is a Durant or Westbrook, and Ingram and Russell are Kyle Lowry's.

Thanks for the laugh, I love that one. Plus I'm sure it's something I would of tried.

Dr. Detfink · Post #485 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:19 am

Simmons and Okafor are a filthy front court and if Emiid can play then they have 3 colossal monsters to throw at a team to go with a crapload of cap space to add veteran leadership.

Agnostifarian · Post #486 » by **Agnostifarian** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:20 am

Thanks, Sam Hinkie!!

snoopdogg88 · Post #487 » by **snoopdogg88** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:20 am

Strengths: An extremely unique talent, combining power forward size and strength, with point guard vision and passing skills ... Has the size, physical gifts and skill to defend and play all five positions at the next level, ideal for the emphasis on "positionless basketball" ... Highly unselfish, team oriented player ... A supreme competitor and a proven winner, having captured three national high school championships (in three seasons) ... Attitude/character is by all accounts one of his greatest assets, as he is praised by many for being "a better person than player" ... Has tremendous strength, showing the ability to play right through contact and finish ... An elite level rebounder showing the grit and desire to grab every rebound in his area, and put in work on the offensive glass ... Starts breaks off of defensive rebounds consistently, huge threat if he ends a defensive possession ... His vision and passing is the trademark of his game, incredibly unique to find a kid with such imagination and vision along with being a big and elite level athlete ... Excellent ball handler, thrives in the open floor, whether it be as a ball handler, passer or finishing at the hoop in transition ... Possesses excellent body control and strength to score on drives ... Has great balance, showing the ability to maneuver through traffic without crashing into defenders and drawing offensive fouls, possesses unique start/stop body control ... Huge hands gives him excellent control of the ball ... The scary part is at only 19, he has already proven himself in one-on-one battles with the likes of Anthony Davis and James Harden (At Nike Academy), and one has to wonder just how much better he can become ... He is a hardworking kid with the type of weaknesses, namely shooting, that can be improved upon ... Well spoken, confident kid who apparently has no trouble being a vocal leader, strong communicator ... Level headed, mature kid who seems to battle through adversity with ease, does not lose his cool or get down when things get challenging ...

Agnostifarian · Post #488 » by **Agnostifarian** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:23 am

snoopdogg88 wrote:Strengths: An extremely unique talent, combining power forward size and strength, with point guard vision and passing skills ... Has the size, physical gifts and skill to defend and play all five positions at the next level, ideal for the emphasis on "positionless basketball" ... Highly unselfish, team oriented player ... A supreme competitor and a proven winner, having captured three national high school championships (in three seasons) ... Attitude/character is by all accounts one of his greatest assets, as he is praised by many for being "a better person than player" ... Has tremendous strength, showing the ability to play right through contact and finish ... An elite level rebounder showing the grit and desire to grab every rebound in his area, and put in work on the offensive glass ... Starts breaks off of defensive rebounds consistently, huge threat if he ends a defensive possession ... His vision and passing is the trademark of his game, incredibly unique to find a kid with such imagination and vision along with being a big and elite level athlete ... Excellent ball handler, thrives in the open floor, whether it be as a ball handler, passer or finishing at the hoop in transition ... Possesses excellent body control and strength to score on drives ... Has great balance, showing the ability to maneuver through traffic without crashing into defenders and drawing offensive fouls, possesses unique start/stop body control ... Huge hands gives him excellent control of the ball ... The scary part is at only 19, he has already proven himself in one-on-one battles with the likes of Anthony Davis and James Harden (At Nike Academy), and one has to wonder just how much better he can become ... He is a hardworking kid with the type of weaknesses, namely shooting, that can be improved upon ... Well spoken, confident kid who apparently has no trouble being a vocal leader, strong communicator ... Level headed, mature kid who seems to battle through adversity with ease, does not lose his cool or get down when things get challenging ...

What, no GIF?

Agnostifarian · Post #489 » by **Agnostifarian** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:25 am

Hiring that guy who used to rig the lottery for the NBA was a good call!

Post #490 » by **tk76** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:28 am

What a great problem to have.

I sort of lean Ingram... but I think Simmons-Saric would be a devastating 3-4 combination alongside Embiid or Noel. Add in Covington, and you would have great 2 way SF/PF/C play all 48 minutes... and that is not even considering Okafor (who maybe nets you a good wing.)

PG
SG
#1 Pick/Covington
Saric/Grant
Noel/Embiid

Extra parts: Jah and Holmes

Really, Simmons or Ingram both work. Makes me want to do a sign and trade for Beal and hope he stays healthy.

PhilasFinest · Post #491 » by **PhilasFinest** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:30 am

This is going to be a very hard decision.

PhilasFinest · Post #492 » by **PhilasFinest** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:37 am

MGB8 wrote:Ingram, and without hesitation. Simmons' team didn't win. Simmons coasted on D despite his team losing. Simmons is a poor shooter, even from the FT line. Simmons is much more a 4 than a 3, and will cause spacing issues at the 3 offensively unless your bigs have range - which Sixers bigs don't.

Ingram is a year younger, a much better shooter, and has potential to be a true number 1 offensive player. Ingram-Saric (if he ever comes over)/Noel-Embiid/Noel...

Then trade Oak to Boston for 3 and one of their bigs - Sullivan or Olynyk. Drop off at 3 from last year is HUGE.

I agree its an issue, but lets not front here. Flip flop Simmons/Ingram on Duke/LSU and Duke's still a top 5 team. Im not sure how much better Ingram is on LSU.

gipper08 · Post #493 » by **gipper08** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:39 am

Ericb5 wrote:
Bigballer74 wrote:
roma258 wrote:So by all accounts Simmons desperate to go to the Lakers. Not sure where Lakers stand, but let's play along and assume they want him. What can we realistically extract for a pick swap? Drop protections from their pick? Add a sweetner and pry Russell? Freaking Colangelo walks into a gold mine, let's see what he does with it.

If they offer Russell just for the swap, I'd probably take that. You get yourself a pg and sf who can both shoot. Instantly opens things up in the post for Biid and Jah. Simmons doesn't want to play here and we've already seen him quit when he isn't happy.

Russell isn't a point guard!

Russell can't shoot either!

NYSixersFan · Post #494 » by **NYSixersFan** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:52 am

I would take Ingram, but I think free agents would rather play with Simmons....I can be convinced to take Simmons if you tell me We're going to have 3 shooters on the floor with him....I will say that I'm very impressed with his ball handling and passing....I also like the fact he can finish with both hands...I can't even tell if he's left or right handed

Negrodamus · Post #495 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:52 am

If we like both of them, Hinkie did put us in a position to have the Lakers by the balls in a sense. If we wanted to "overpay", we could offer Okafor and the rights to their pick (whenever that may be; next year, the year after) for Ingram. Maybe throw 24 in there too.

It's a lot, but we could have a potential freak at SF.

USWAY · Post #496 » by **USWAY** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:58 am

PhilasFinest wrote:
MGB8 wrote:Ingram, and without hesitation. Simmons' team didn't win. Simmons coasted on D despite his team losing. Simmons is a poor shooter, even from the FT line. Simmons is much more a 4 than a 3, and will cause spacing issues at the 3 offensively unless your bigs have range - which Sixers bigs don't.

Ingram is a year younger, a much better shooter, and has potential to be a true number 1 offensive player. Ingram-Saric (if he ever comes over)/Noel-Embiid/Noel...

Then trade Oak to Boston for 3 and one of their bigs - Sullivan or Olynyk. Drop off at 3 from last year is HUGE.

I agree its an issue, but lets not front here. Flip flop Simmons/Ingram on Duke/LSU and Duke's still a top 5 team. Im not sure how much better Ingram is on LSU.

Don't think that's true at all. Not only was Duke not a top 5 team, their biggest problem all year was defense, and after Amile Jefferson got hurt Ingram was the one guy who provided anything defensively. Intense competitor. Simmons was the exact opposite. I almost guarantee that LSU team with Ingram instead of Simmons makes the tourney. I can't name the number of the top of my head, but that LSU team had multuple top 100 recruits on that team. Way more talent than anyone gives them credit for. No excuse why they shouldn't have made the tourney in that confrence. Biggest problem was chemistry and spacing, and alot of that was due to Simmons skillset and on court demeanor. Ask any LSU fan.

MGB8 · Post #497 » by **MGB8** » Wed May 18, 2016 3:00 am

Ericb5 wrote:
Easymoney wrote:Simmons is beginning to reach mythical creature status......

He is not THAT much better than Ingram.

Well the people that are pro Simmons have been saying it for months.

It isn't so much that he is so much better today, but he has a higher ceiling.

He is a true franchise talent. Does ANYONE argue that Ingram can be a franchise player?

Anyone?

They just argue that he fits better, and that Simmons has red flags. I don't think anyone with a straight face can argue that he is a franchise player.

I would probably take him over someone like Wiggins, but not Towns. Simmons is like another Towns.

Lots of people believe Ingram can be a franchise player. He compares fairly well to Kevin Durant.

gipper08 · Post #498 » by **gipper08** » Wed May 18, 2016 3:01 am

Okafor, LAL 1st, Sac 1st, 24, 26 and right to swap with PHI in 17 for #2...

PhilasFinest · Post #499 » by **PhilasFinest** » Wed May 18, 2016 3:01 am

NYSixersFan wrote:I would take Ingram, but I think free agents would rather play with Simmons....I can be convinced to take Simmons if you tell me We're going to have 3 shooters on the floor with him....I will say that I'm very impressed with his ball handling and passing....I also like the fact he can finish with both hands...I can't even tell if he's left or right handed

Yea, its gonna be a tough decision.

Ingram has tons of upside, and could slide right in and compliment our existing players.

Simmons has tantalizing talent, but would essentially force us to reshuffle the deck to try and find legit shooting around him.

gipper08 · Post #500 » by **gipper08** » Wed May 18, 2016 3:02 am

NYSixersFan wrote: Simmons.......I can't even tell if he's left or right handed

he can't either