Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

Kobblehead · Post #481 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Dec 3, 2020 4:46 pm

Much like Bradley Beal and Devin Booker, Lavine's offense consists of launching threes and pulling up on the other side of a screen.

The guy we tap as our eventual primary initiator has to be more than that, IMO.

We need someone that can beat primary defenders off the dribble and score in the halfcourt.

We need De'Aaron Fox, Donovan Mitchell, Shai Alexander, etc.

SparksFly87 · Post #482 » by **SparksFly87** » Thu Dec 3, 2020 5:20 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Much like Bradley Beal and Devin Booker, Lavine's offense consists of launching threes and pulling up on the other side of a screen.

The guy we tap as our eventual primary initiator has to be more than that, IMO.

We need someone that can beat primary defenders off the dribble and score in the halfcourt.

We need De'Aaron Fox, Donovan Mitchell, Shai Alexander, etc.

Maxey

Kobblehead · Post #483 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Dec 3, 2020 5:51 pm

For sure, Maxey can do that. But unlike those guys, he'll get roasted defensively. He's a nice bandage for shotcreating woes, ala Jordan Clarkson, but you can't really consider him a longterm solution.

51X3RF4N · Post #484 » by **51X3RF4N** » Thu Dec 3, 2020 6:35 pm

Kobblehead wrote:For sure, Maxey can do that. But unlike those guys, he'll get roasted defensively. He's a nice bandage for shotcreating woes, ala Jordan Clarkson, but you can't really consider him a longterm solution.

What are your thoughts on the fact that Maxey is being trained by and working out with Rajon Rondo from a defense/effort standpoint? Do you see it as a plus or minus?

Do you think he can become a better defender simply with effort and coaching, or do you think his physical limitations will always prevent him from being a solid defender?

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Kobblehead · Post #485 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Dec 3, 2020 6:43 pm

If playing in the same backcourt with Ashton Hagans for an entire seasons didn't rub off on him and inspire him to play defense, I don't see what good a few weeks working out in the offseason with Rondo will do.

I think effort plays a part, but I also think playing defense is largely instinctual. I don't think Maxey has those instincts.

76ciology · Post #486 » by **76ciology** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 9:00 am

Kobblehead wrote:Much like Bradley Beal and Devin Booker, Lavine's offense consists of launching threes and pulling up on the other side of a screen.

The guy we tap as our eventual primary initiator has to be more than that, IMO.

We need someone that can beat primary defenders off the dribble and score in the halfcourt.

We need De'Aaron Fox, Donovan Mitchell, Shai Alexander, etc.

This pandemic has changed you.

:lol:

76ciology · Post #487 » by **76ciology** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 9:03 am

Btw, do you mean we need a guy who can run the PnR to create 4v5 situations from the perimeter to get shooters open looks right? Because i dont see Shai being a guy like Kyrie who can breakdown his man off the dribble.

If that’s the case, then Beal is that guy. Almost a third of Beal’s offense is on PnR.

Eyeamok · Post #488 » by **Eyeamok** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 12:00 pm

A lot of times someone close to you can tell you to do the right thing a million times. And you don't do it then you seek someone out who tells you the exact thing or something similar and boom it makes sense. Sometimes you get tired of hearing the same voice or their is something in a delivery or even a respect factor that makes things click for you.

A lot of what Rondo taught Maxy could rub off and stay. But the problem is what do you do during the season. Who are you working out with day in and day out ? Who is that senior voice of reason Maxy can turn to for guidance and to keep him doing the right thing ? This maybe outlandish to say but it would be prudent for the 76ers to hire maybe an assistant coach or someone from the old Boston Celtics days. Someone that actually got the best out of Rondo. That has seen Rondo play game in and game out and knows what he did and the mindset he used to stay at that level. And maybe just maybe he can coach up Maxy in the same way.

Shoot now that I think about it. Maybe we should hire someone a coach/assistant coach/personal trainer that was also with Harris when he was at his best too.

76ciology · Post #489 » by **76ciology** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 3:52 pm

Sixers:
Harden
Eric Gordon
Wizards 2023 first round pick

Rockets:
Ben Simmons
Mike Scott
Tony Bradley
Furguson
Sixers 2023 1st round pick (heavily protected that is basically a second rounder)

Reason:
Once a star asks to be traded, his value drops significantly. That’s the reality. And that’s why Morey can’t trade Ben for Harden because it will be an overpay.

Both teams wants to make a deal. They find a way to do the deal by a pick swap and trade between EG and expiring contracts.

eyeatoma · Post #490 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Dec 6, 2020 2:27 pm

76ciology wrote:Sixers:
Harden
Eric Gordon
Wizards 2023 first round pick

Rockets:
Ben Simmons
Mike Scott
Tony Bradley
Furguson
Sixers 2023 1st round pick (heavily protected that is basically a second rounder)

Reason:
Once a star asks to be traded, his value drops significantly. That’s the reality. And that’s why Morey can’t trade Ben for Harden because it will be an overpay.

Both teams wants to make a deal. They find a way to do the deal by a pick swap and trade between EG and expiring contracts.

Was listening to Bill Simmons podcast today. He really believe the the sixers will get Harden. Doesn't think any other team has a chance, unless Brooklyn involves a 3rd team. If that happens he thinks Morey might raise to something you mentioned. In his opinion at the moment, Morey would only be offering Simmons and nothing else.

Kobblehead · Post #491 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 6, 2020 3:09 pm

If I'm running the Rockets, I'm not taking anything less than Simmons, Thybulle, Maxey and two first round picks. It's James freaking Harden.

76ciology · Post #492 » by **76ciology** » Sun Dec 6, 2020 3:32 pm

Kobblehead wrote:If I'm running the Rockets, I'm not taking anything less than Simmons, Thybulle, Maxey and two first round picks. It's James freaking Harden.

24 year old ALL NBA TEAM AND ALL DEFENSIVE TEAM MEMBER. FUTURE GOAT.

Harden is 31

But seriously.. i’ve said it before how I think that is close to what the Rockets is asking. More than Ben. While Morey wouldnt give even Ben straight up because that would be an overpay right now, given what the Nets are offering are young starters and likely future role players (picks). This is why we haven’t done the deal.

76ciology · Post #493 » by **76ciology** » Sun Dec 6, 2020 3:34 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
76ciology wrote:Sixers:
Harden
Eric Gordon
Wizards 2023 first round pick

Rockets:
Ben Simmons
Mike Scott
Tony Bradley
Furguson
Sixers 2023 1st round pick (heavily protected that is basically a second rounder)

Reason:
Once a star asks to be traded, his value drops significantly. That’s the reality. And that’s why Morey can’t trade Ben for Harden because it will be an overpay.

Both teams wants to make a deal. They find a way to do the deal by a pick swap and trade between EG and expiring contracts.

Was listening to Bill Simmons podcast today. He really believe the the sixers will get Harden. Doesn't think any other team has a chance, unless Brooklyn involves a 3rd team. If that happens he thinks Morey might raise to something you mentioned. In his opinion at the moment, Morey would only be offering Simmons and nothing else.

Im just sure Rockets will call Morey for a counter offer before they do any deal.

If Morey chooses Ben, then we go “In Morey We Trust” mode.

Ive listened to a lot of podcasts. Most of them when they talk about trading Harden they all end up with the same conclusion that Sixers can beat any offers for Harden. The deal is just so perfect because unlike other teams who can give close to what we can offer, once they give the king’s treasure chest for Harden, they’d be left with not much talent to compete and that’s the thing...

You need to have a YOUNG STAR. And if you trade that guy, you still need to have a contender because Harden may just walk when his contract is up.

The closest team I can think of is the Celtics. I think a package of Kemba and Jaylen Brown is a formidable offer. But it wont trump our package of Ben.

Kobblehead · Post #494 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 6, 2020 3:56 pm

What about Denver?

They have a strong centerpiece (Jamal Murray) and a ton of good young prospects.

Murray + Porter, Hampton, draft capital is a strong package. Might be better than anything we could offer.

stormi · Post #495 » by **stormi** » Sun Dec 6, 2020 4:01 pm

King Ben staying. Supreme Overlord Morey knows basketball thankfully

Negrodamus · Post #496 » by **Negrodamus** » Sun Dec 6, 2020 4:09 pm

I imagine the Rockets are going to sit on Harden for a while. They've made the illusion that they still intend on "competing", so players can't really fault the Rockets for not shipping him out immediately. He can bitch and moan, but he'll likely be there for at least the next season. It's a tough situation when putting into consideration his age and immense talent.

LloydFree · Post #497 » by **LloydFree** » Sun Dec 6, 2020 5:54 pm

Kobblehead wrote:What about Denver?

They have a strong centerpiece (Jamal Murray) and a ton of good young prospects.

Murray + Porter, Hampton, draft capital is a strong package. Might be better than anything we could offer.

I think after Murray's bubble performance, Denver wouldn't consider trading him for Harden. The Nuggets fans would revolt. If Houston is losing and gets desperate, I could see a Porter, Bol Bol, Garry Harris deal getting Houston's attention.

76ciology · Post #498 » by **76ciology** » Mon Dec 7, 2020 5:10 am

Kobblehead wrote:What about Denver?

They have a strong centerpiece (Jamal Murray) and a ton of good young prospects.

Murray + Porter, Hampton, draft capital is a strong package. Might be better than anything we could offer.

Hmm..

Yup. Possible.

76ciology · Post #499 » by **76ciology** » Mon Dec 7, 2020 5:11 am

Negrodamus wrote:I imagine the Rockets are going to sit on Harden for a while. They've made the illusion that they still intend on "competing", so players can't really fault the Rockets for not shipping him out immediately. He can bitch and moan, but he'll likely be there for at least the next season. It's a tough situation when putting into consideration his age and immense talent.

Rockets will lose leverage if they drag it out. And i think Morey knows this.

ProcessDoctor · Post #500 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Mon Dec 7, 2020 12:25 pm

76ciology wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:I imagine the Rockets are going to sit on Harden for a while. They've made the illusion that they still intend on "competing", so players can't really fault the Rockets for not shipping him out immediately. He can bitch and moan, but he'll likely be there for at least the next season. It's a tough situation when putting into consideration his age and immense talent.

Rockets will lose leverage if they drag it out. And i think Morey knows this.

The problem is our only non-Ben/Joel contract we can match salaries with is Tobias. I can't imagine any scenario where a package centered around him doesn't get beaten out.