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Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard?

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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#481 » by Sixerscan » Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:34 pm

HouseOfLight wrote:I was talking about this with someone the other day; the Zhaire Smith for Bridges draft day trade has to be one of the worst, most head-scratchingly incompetent draft decisions in history, right? It gets overshadowed by the colossal Fultz debacle, but it really was one of the most asinine, befuddling trades I can think of. Bridges was basically the photo perfect fit for Philly & obviously had the deep connection & love for the the city/franchise. The whole deal made *zero* sense

For philly fans, besides the obvious lack of a competent front office, what on earth was Brand or whoever thinking when they made that trade? Im not necessarily a fan of one particular NBA team, but I was very excited about Philly drafting Bridges. You could not have asked for a more perfect fit for that roster, for an obvious plethora of reasons, and he was right there for the taking

So, yeah:

A) what was the franchise thinking/how the heck did they justify that?

B) what even happened to Smith? I know he was waived by DET & that he had the near-fatal health issues, but don’t really know any details...


Well first of all that wasn’t Brand. That draft was right after burnergate and run by this weird collaboration of brown, the front office and ownership. Which may explain why they didn’t handle that pick properly (though to be fair to them they also took Shamet and Shake in that draft).

The big thing was they got an unprotected heat pick in the trade. I think basically what happened was that they wanted to acquire a star player before Simmons got his extension, and they wanted an unprotected pick from another team to offer in a potential trade. I think even part of the appeal of Zhaire to them was because of how young and athletic he was if he popped at all he would have more trade value than a seemingly more “safe” prospect in Bridges.

It’s actually kind of the opposite of the fultz trade. Like if Fultz didn’t bust and Tatum did people would ask why Ainge traded back just to get a draft pick.

I don’t think there was any issue from like a logic standpoint with either trade. Like in a vacuum it seemed like a fair price to go up from 3 to 1 and down from 10 to 16. Ultimately though it comes down to picking the right player and they obviously didn’t.

As far as Zhaire goes, he broke his foot then almost died from eating sesame seeds and lost like 70 pounds, and then when he came back he just never really clicked. No idea what he’s up to now.
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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#482 » by Stanford » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:13 pm

HouseOfLight wrote:Bridges was basically the photo perfect fit for Philly. You could not have asked for a more perfect fit for that roster


Except that he wasn't the perfect fit, and you could ask for a more perfect fit. The guy drafted one pick later, for example. The consensus of draft people on this board and other places was that Bridges offered no perimeter creation. Bridges may have been a good fit, but that's because he's a versatile player and would be a good fit on every team.

The worst, most head-scratchingly incompetent draft decisions in history, right? It really was one of the most asinine, befuddling trades I can think of.


lol, come on. Keep the hyperbole to game threads.
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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#483 » by sixers hoops » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:16 pm

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HouseOfLight wrote:Bridges was basically the photo perfect fit for Philly. You could not have asked for a more perfect fit for that roster


Except that he wasn't the perfect fit, and you could ask for a more perfect fit. The guy drafted one pick later, for example. The consensus of draft people on this board and other places was that Bridges offered no perimeter creation. Bridges may have been a good fit, but that's because he's a versatile player and would be a good fit on every team.

The worst, most head-scratchingly incompetent draft decisions in history, right? It really was one of the most asinine, befuddling trades I can think of.


lol, come on. Keep the hyperbole to game threads.


I am always surprised when people complain about Bridges when Shai was on the board.

I was in favor of the trade, but mostly because I don’t watch college basketball. I thought they got an excellent deal to move back a few spots. In retrospect, they evaluated Shai poorly.

Interesting, for the draft that Brett Brown claimed to have final say, he made a solid trade, and great picks with Shammet and Shake. Zhaire evaluation was the only thing that stop they draft from being a home run.

Tough to evaluate are draft team since the chief changes so often.

2015- Hinkie
2016- BC
2017- BC
2018- Brett
2019- Elton
2020- Morey

And Elton has a pretty big role in the last three.
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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#484 » by Sixerscan » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:57 pm

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HouseOfLight wrote:Bridges was basically the photo perfect fit for Philly. You could not have asked for a more perfect fit for that roster


Except that he wasn't the perfect fit, and you could ask for a more perfect fit. The guy drafted one pick later, for example. The consensus of draft people on this board and other places was that Bridges offered no perimeter creation. Bridges may have been a good fit, but that's because he's a versatile player and would be a good fit on every team.

The worst, most head-scratchingly incompetent draft decisions in history, right? It really was one of the most asinine, befuddling trades I can think of.


lol, come on. Keep the hyperbole to game threads.


I am always surprised when people complain about Bridges when Shai was on the board.

I was in favor of the trade, but mostly because I don’t watch college basketball. I thought they got an excellent deal to move back a few spots. In retrospect, they evaluated Shai poorly.

Interesting, for the draft that Brett Brown claimed to have final say, he made a solid trade, and great picks with Shammet and Shake. Zhaire evaluation was the only thing that stop they draft from being a home run.

Tough to evaluate are draft team since the chief changes so often.

2015- Hinkie
2016- BC
2017- BC
2018- Brett
2019- Elton
2020- Morey

And Elton has a pretty big role in the last three.

I wanted SGA at the time but I don’t think they even had him on their board. He refused to work out or interview with anyone but the clippers and after fultz they weren’t going to take another risk like that. And with fultz still on the roster taking a similar player with that pick could have caused issues from like an internal politics standpoint. It just wasn’t happening.
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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#485 » by DCasey91 » Mon Mar 1, 2021 12:36 am

Bridges at bare minimum was a more complete Thybulle. So doubling down for a worse player next year was really weird too. Couldn’t understand the Smith pick even. The translatable skills wasn’t there and he was extremely raw. Our development program is one of the worst in the comp. would take him a couple seasons at least to get up to scratch. Love the person, but it’s NBA basketball after all.

If Bridges he showed any improvement which he did that’s a starting franchise SF that pairs really well with Embiid/Simmons for the next 5 years. Definitely a head scratcher. I rated him higher then all the crop the drafted by us by a fair margin. I’m thinking at worst he’s a rotation piece or Covington 2.0. That’s a such a high floor to go off from.

Though we are proned to do dumb decisions.. We sold Holmes for cash lmao
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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#486 » by the_process » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:44 am

The Smith trade was driven by, IMO, Kawhi.

The Sixers thought they had a good chance to trade for Kawhi. So when PHX called and offered 16 and an unprotected 2021 MIA (who was pretty bad at the time) 1st for Bridges... they thought they had two chips they could use to sweeten the pot and close the deal. Didn't work out that way because Pop went for the win now pseudo-star in DeRozan.
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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#487 » by 76ciology » Mon Mar 1, 2021 6:20 am

the_process wrote:The Smith trade was driven by, IMO, Kawhi.

The Sixers thought they had a good chance to trade for Kawhi. So when PHX called and offered 16 and an unprotected 2021 MIA (who was pretty bad at the time) 1st for Bridges... they thought they had two chips they could use to sweeten the pot and close the deal. Didn't work out that way because Pop went for the win now pseudo-star in DeRozan.


It could be partly that.

But its really driven because Brett knows Ben and Biid isnt enough while the Fultz project was in limbo, so he was star hunting. Bridges is a good player but we want more than that.

Not exactly the same, but you get the thought process.
It’s like we traded a candy for two lottery tickets.

At that time its understandable.

And who knows.. if Zhaire didn’t have his near death experience with peanuts, maybe he could atleast be a borderline star.

The biggest mistake is missing out on SGA. At that time I find there are indicators that SGA would have been the much better pick. I believe Kobble was the first guy who’s preaching about this back then.
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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#488 » by 51X3RF4N » Mon Mar 1, 2021 12:54 pm

76ciology wrote:
the_process wrote:The Smith trade was driven by, IMO, Kawhi.

The Sixers thought they had a good chance to trade for Kawhi. So when PHX called and offered 16 and an unprotected 2021 MIA (who was pretty bad at the time) 1st for Bridges... they thought they had two chips they could use to sweeten the pot and close the deal. Didn't work out that way because Pop went for the win now pseudo-star in DeRozan.


It could be partly that.

But its really driven because Brett knows Ben and Biid isnt enough while the Fultz project was in limbo, so he was star hunting. Bridges is a good player but we want more than that.

Not exactly the same, but you get the thought process.
It’s like we traded a candy for two lottery tickets.

At that time its understandable.

And who knows.. if Zhaire didn’t have his near death experience with peanuts, maybe he could atleast be a borderline star.

The biggest mistake is missing out on SGA. At that time I find there are indicators that SGA would have been the much better pick. I believe Kobble was the first guy who’s preaching about this back then.
Right. The thought process was Zhaire is an insane athlete and a worst case scenario is you get a defensive stopper who can finish lobs on the fast break from Simmons, and can develop into a more consistent 3pt shooter, and if he makes further leaps than that in his ball handling and creating, then you have a 20 year old rising star.

Zhaire was younger, loaded with more potential due to his natural athleticism and defensive instincts. All he needed was to stay healthy, get some development minutes in the G League, work on his catch and shoot 3pt shot...and stay healthy.

He would be a rotational piece by now for sure, as a floor.

I don't hate the trade from the reasoning behind it, I just hate that 2 of the most storied draft day trades landed the Sixers 2 of the biggest career busts they've drafted in 20 years.

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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#489 » by Kobblehead » Mon Mar 1, 2021 2:49 pm

Zhaire Smith was a trash prospect. He had no upside or potential.

He had no dribbling ability or scoring moves, so right off the bat there was no upside.

Even in terms of being a role player, he had mad development needed to be useful. He did not have a strong jumpshot profile. He was a longshot to develop spacing ability. And defensively, he was more of a team defender than a guy who could guard ball handlers.
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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#490 » by Negrodamus » Mon Mar 1, 2021 3:17 pm

I feel like Zhaire was Tyler Bey except 4 inches shorter. Has all the stats, athleticism, and production but is really an undersized PF (Zhaire obviously more so).
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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#491 » by stormi » Mon Mar 1, 2021 3:55 pm

I honestly think the Zhaire Smith pick was the worst one of the past five years, and not even because of how it turned out. The profile for what Brett Brown talked about what he could be, combined with his actual ability was so off. He could have been molded into an interesting role player and possibly even a starter if he were like 6'5 / 6'6, even at the rumored 6'4 at the time of the draft - and then he came to SL like a head shorter than Shamet.. An undersized and raw as you can be project like him should never have been taken so high. I thought best case scenario he could have been a Norman Powell type, but whatever.
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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#492 » by Kobblehead » Tue Mar 2, 2021 1:52 am

Smith should have been a 4 year college player because he had no NBA skills at the time he was drafted. At least Culver had some handle and shotcreation upside, despite having no jumper and being raw. Culver looked like an NBA player. Smith did not.
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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#493 » by sixers hoops » Tue Mar 2, 2021 2:16 am

the_process wrote:The Smith trade was driven by, IMO, Kawhi.

The Sixers thought they had a good chance to trade for Kawhi. So when PHX called and offered 16 and an unprotected 2021 MIA (who was pretty bad at the time) 1st for Bridges... they thought they had two chips they could use to sweeten the pot and close the deal. Didn't work out that way because Pop went for the win now pseudo-star in DeRozan.


It was pretty obvious at the time they were collecting assets to make a run a Kawhi. I think that was a driving factor in moving down.
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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#494 » by sixers4real » Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:04 am

Do you remember when we took #1 seed? How long are we there? It’s the longest since 2001, right?

I have a bad feeling it’s going to end today lol
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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#495 » by Murray_17 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:47 pm

You have to wonder if Morey is gonna fast track some of the trade stuff now that Joel is gonna miss 2-3 weeks.

Even with how well the team has looked lately, 2 or 3 weeks without a player with that scoring load is too much
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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#496 » by stormi » Fri May 7, 2021 10:23 am

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This is a mickey mouse pathway to the ECF if I've ever seen one. And I'm not against it at all.
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Post#497 » by eyeatoma » Fri May 7, 2021 10:29 am

stormi wrote:Image

This is a mickey mouse pathway to the ECF if I've ever seen one. And I'm not against it at all.
Wiz will make it over the Hornets, making it a little more interesting.

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Post#498 » by stormi » Fri May 7, 2021 10:33 am

eyeatoma wrote:
stormi wrote:Image

This is a mickey mouse pathway to the ECF if I've ever seen one. And I'm not against it at all.
Wiz will make it over the Hornets, making it a little more interesting.

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Wouldn't mind either. Russ and Beal will make it interesting, but that's a series where Embiid should average 35 on strong splits and conserved minutes... They don't play any defense. Maybe it'd be nice and needed for guys like Ben and Tobias to get into a rhythm and gain some playoff confidence.
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Post#499 » by eyeatoma » Fri May 7, 2021 10:34 am

stormi wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
stormi wrote:Image

This is a mickey mouse pathway to the ECF if I've ever seen one. And I'm not against it at all.
Wiz will make it over the Hornets, making it a little more interesting.

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Wouldn't mind either. Russ and Beal will make it interesting, but that's a series where Embiid should average 35 on strong splits and conserved minutes... They don't play any defense. Maybe it'd be nice and needed for guys like Ben and Tobias to get into a rhythm and gain some playoff confidence.
Agreed, it'll probably go 5 games but I wouldn't be surprised by 6.

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Re: Official 2020-21 Season Thread #1: To Beard or not To Beard? 

Post#500 » by ProcessDoctor » Fri May 7, 2021 1:46 pm

What would make it even more interesting is if the Heat or Celtics upset either the Bucks or Nets.

I want Brooklyn eliminated as early as possible lol.
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