Fantasy Trade Thread

[LeonJordanJr24]

Simmons for Fox is as fair as it gets. Kings fans will tell you they want Thybulle, and 4 picks with it, but whatever.

Tell em neva mind.

[Stanford]

Kings fans will tell you they want Thybulle, and 4 picks with it, but whatever.

I would too

[stormi]

:wink:

Been doing further research about the validity of De'Aaron Fox's ability. Shocked to say the least, and not in a good way.

???

He might be a fraud brother.

[Kobblehead]

muwawhaha

[Sportfan73]

:wink:

Been doing further research about the validity of De'Aaron Fox's ability. Shocked to say the least, and not in a good way.

???

He might be a fraud brother.

What makes you think that? Not that I’m irrationally high on him or anything just curious

[76ersfan96]

Zach Lavine for George hill , Mike Scott s&t for cap purposes, 4 firsts. Basically jrue holiday deal.

Ben Simmons for fox

Resign Danny green
Sign Montrez Harrell
Resign howard

Fox- Lavine - Green - Tobias - Embiid
Bench
Maxey - Shake - Thybulle- Montrez/Howard

[Sportfan73]

Zach Lavine for George hill , Mike Scott s&t for cap purposes, 4 firsts. Basically jrue holiday deal.

Ben Simmons for fox

Resign Danny green
Sign Montrez Harrell
Resign howard

Fox- Lavine - Green - Tobias - Embiid
Bench
Maxey - Shake - Thybulle- Montrez/Howard

Any deal like that for Lavine would have to be something like hill, maxey, thybulle, and 4 firsts. And I’m really not sure they consider it still

[Rastas]

Kemba plus x amount of OKC picks for Benny boy.

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[Sportfan73]

Kemba plus x amount of OKC picks for Benny boy.

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I would rather Ben retire here than make that deal

[DCasey91]

Lowry
Green
Ingram
Barnes
Embiid

I like this setup a lot like unbelievably so. The balance is super duper. Morey there’s your blueprint

[ankle420breaker]

Probably not realistic, but I'd love to try and sign Olynyk with the MLE. Stretch 4 who's comfortable in p&r sets. Also capable of sliding to the 5 when we need the depth.

He'd help here.

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[the_process]

Lowry
Green
Ingram
Barnes
Embiid

I like this setup a lot like unbelievably so. The balance is super duper. Morey there’s your blueprint

Assuming you’re getting Lowry in a sign and trade, it’s gonna be real hard to sneak under the apron with that team. That would be a much better group than what they throw out there now, though.

[Mik317]

why would they want to pair Ben and Zion.

You need to factor that into any trade. Anyone trading for Ben will need to have a system in place in which there is not another alpha post scorer there. Plus I highly doubt they want to deal with Klutch again.

[51X3RF4N]

How far off is the value here (assuming we believe the reports of Indys offer being turned down, and that GMs still put high value on Simmons)?

Out: Simmons, #28, Hill, Shake

In: Fox, Bagley, Wright, #9

Reason: if Sac believes Ben can fix his mentality, he's a better and more versatile defender than Fox. And honestly even though Fox scores more points, it's because he takes 9 more shots per game, not because he's a very efficient shooter. He's still 70% FT and 32% 3pt. If Ben actually took shots, maybe he'd be about the same. In a small market out on his preferred coast, maybe he does. Shake is a project they can turn into a 6MOY in a different situation where there isn't a ball dominant big man. Hill gives them mentorship of Haliburton.

Sixers liked Wright at the deadline. He provides playmaking off the bench next to Maxey, similar to what George Hill was but younger and better. Also 1 year deal so easy to move at the deadline. Bagley wants out and would be a good big behind Embiid. Give him some time with the 2nd unit to develop and see where he stands after 1 season. He's either walking as a free agent, traded at the deadline, or signed to a deal to be Embiid's backup. And he's 22, so if he works out and develops over time, he could be a key piece to a dynasty when Embiid is 30 and slowing down, Bagley will be 26 and in his prime.

Seems like a fair deal for everyone. Maybe the pick swaps are unnecessary but it felt like the Sixers were giving up the perceived best player in the deal, as well as 2 years of Shake on a cheap deal versus only 1 year deals coming back to Philly, so the picks swapping is not only poetic but balances the scales of the deal a bit.

Sixers use #9 on Jalen Johnson, our new Ben Simmons but playing off the bench behind Tobias at the proper SF/PF spot.

Embiid/Bagley/Howard
Harris/Johnson/Reed
Green/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Curry/Maxey/Joe
Fox/Wright/Tucker

Your starting 5 is better because Fox will actually shoot the ball. Your bench is better because Wright adds an element of playmaking Shake couldn't bring to the table. Bagley adds a better backup to Embiid while reserving Howard for spot minutes if needed. Johnson is kind of a wild card, and so is Reed, but you've got Furkan in the wings in case they don't work out. And you can make trades if necessary.


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[Stanford]

How far off is the value here

Way off in my opinion. Way, way off.

[the_process]

How far off is the value here (assuming we believe the reports of Indys offer being turned down, and that GMs still put high value on Simmons)?

Out: Simmons, #28, Hill, Shake

In: Fox, Bagley, Wright, #9

Reason: if Sac believes Ben can fix his mentality, he's a better and more versatile defender than Fox. And honestly even though Fox scores more points, it's because he takes 9 more shots per game, not because he's a very efficient shooter. He's still 70% FT and 32% 3pt. If Ben actually took shots, maybe he'd be about the same. In a small market out on his preferred coast, maybe he does. Shake is a project they can turn into a 6MOY in a different situation where there isn't a ball dominant big man. Hill gives them mentorship of Haliburton.

Sixers liked Wright at the deadline. He provides playmaking off the bench next to Maxey, similar to what George Hill was but younger and better. Also 1 year deal so easy to move at the deadline. Bagley wants out and would be a good big behind Embiid. Give him some time with the 2nd unit to develop and see where he stands after 1 season. He's either walking as a free agent, traded at the deadline, or signed to a deal to be Embiid's backup. And he's 22, so if he works out and develops over time, he could be a key piece to a dynasty when Embiid is 30 and slowing down, Bagley will be 26 and in his prime.

Seems like a fair deal for everyone. Maybe the pick swaps are unnecessary but it felt like the Sixers were giving up the perceived best player in the deal, as well as 2 years of Shake on a cheap deal versus only 1 year deals coming back to Philly, so the picks swapping is not only poetic but balances the scales of the deal a bit.

Sixers use #9 on Jalen Johnson, our new Ben Simmons but playing off the bench behind Tobias at the proper SF/PF spot.

Embiid/Bagley/Howard
Harris/Johnson/Reed
Green/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Curry/Maxey/Joe
Fox/Wright/Tucker

Your starting 5 is better because Fox will actually shoot the ball. Your bench is better because Wright adds an element of playmaking Shake couldn't bring to the table. Bagley adds a better backup to Embiid while reserving Howard for spot minutes if needed. Johnson is kind of a wild card, and so is Reed, but you've got Furkan in the wings in case they don't work out. And you can make trades if necessary.


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I don’t see Sacto wanting to give up both Fox and 9 for Simmons. If they will, you do that in a heartbeat.

[51X3RF4N]

How far off is the value here

Way off in my opinion. Way, way off.

So...further comments?

I assume you think Fox ---> Ben from a value perspective?

Shake has more value than Bagley if for no other reason that the contract, let alone the actual skill set and on court fit.

Wright has more value than Hill, but not by that much.

Take away the picks, do you still think it is way, way off?

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[Stanford]

I assume you think Fox ---> Ben from a value perspective?

Yes, and I think they'd need to be having a bad day to make that swap, even if we added some value. I just don't know why they'd do it.

[51X3RF4N]

I assume you think Fox ---> Ben from a value perspective?

Yes, and I think they'd need to be having a bad day to make that swap, even if we added some value. I just don't know why they'd do it.

Well for one thing, Dumars and McNair may want to feature their first pick of the new front office as a starting PG, and kick off a rebuild around Haliburton and Simmons.

They may see Fox and his poor shooting percentages as someone who could never live up to his max contract, and they could view Simmons as someone they can "fix" by putting him at PF next to Richaun Holmes, which is actually a really nice fit.

They've got the complementary pieces for Simmons to be a secondary playmaker -- catch and shoot guys like Hield and Barnes. Haliburton and Simmons on the fast break would wreck teams. Fox could do the same but there's no denying Simmons is a better facilitator, better passer, and creates more 3s for his teammates than Fox.

And Simmons can defend a bigger variety of opponents better than Fox. So if you see Haliburton as a star PG, and you don't want to run him at SG but rather feel you need a PF more than Fox, maybe that's a reason to do it.

Simmons as a creator (for others), as a pace pusher, as a multi level defender, and at 6'10, 240lbs versus Fox as a scorer, creator, pace pusher and 6'3 PoA defender....

Maybe they see Haliburton as better than Fox (or at least capable of being better if given the minutes), and they'd like to balance the roster and size differential.

McNair worked with Morey for 13 years, so they're familiar with each other.

Just me guessing, and yeah I'm probably wrong but still...

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[the_process]

I assume you think Fox ---> Ben from a value perspective?

Yes, and I think they'd need to be having a bad day to make that swap, even if we added some value. I just don't know why they'd do it.

Simmons is the type of name player they could never hope to sign in Sacramento. The kind they can sell tickets with. Simmons is also the kind of floor raiser to get the Kings back in the playoffs, somewhere they haven't been since '05. Coming off of two years with reduced revenues, having a bunch of sellouts plus home playoff games would certainly be exciting for Vivek.

I think Fox for Simmons is a good deal for both teams, for different reasons.