2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

[snoopdogg88]

for the love of god end this narrative about fit please.

Ben Simmons is probably the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. He will work wherever you put him. and he doesn't have the rawness and risk that the likes of Wiggins and Embiid had.

He's an absolute star, and pairing him and another star in Okafor will make us championship contenders very quickly.

[Ericb5]

for the love of god end this narrative about fit please.

Ben Simmons is probably the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. He will work wherever you put him. and he doesn't have the rawness and risk that the likes of Wiggins and Embiid had.

He's an absolute star, and pairing him and another star in Okafor will make us championship contenders very quickly.

You make no sense. Suddenly you are glad that we have a better shot at Simmons than anyone else?

If we followed your plan we would need a prayer for Simmons.


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[snoopdogg88]

for the love of god end this narrative about fit please.

Ben Simmons is probably the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. He will work wherever you put him. and he doesn't have the rawness and risk that the likes of Wiggins and Embiid had.

He's an absolute star, and pairing him and another star in Okafor will make us championship contenders very quickly.

You make no sense. Suddenly you are glad that we have a better shot at Simmons than anyone else?

If we followed your plan we would need a prayer for Simmons.


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I have no idea where you're getting this idea from that i'm a "hater" You seem to be confusing me with another poster
I've been a Hinkie supporter since day one and continue to be, although I am and always have been a Joel Embiid "hater" and extremely critical of that wasted pick.

So stop trolling and get your facts right.

[Duke4life831]

Im taking Simmons over anybody not named Giles or Jackson. I also think Ingram > Tatum

Ingram is nowhere near Tatum. That one is not even close

I know Ingram was late bloomer and really shined in his Senior year but Im still taking him over Tatum

Ingram is off to a horrible start this year. His lack of strength and inconsistent shot from deep is a massive problem for him. I think he is going to struggle for the majority of the year. The more I watch him play the less and less I see him being a star at the NBA level.

[OleSchool]

Ingram is nowhere near Tatum. That one is not even close

I know Ingram was late bloomer and really shined in his Senior year but Im still taking him over Tatum

Ingram is off to a horrible start this year. His lack of strength and inconsistent shot from deep is a massive problem for him. I think he is going to struggle for the majority of the year. The more I watch him play the less and less I see him being a star at the NBA level.

Yeah, Ingram has really disappointed so far. Now it's still early so he has a chance to turn it around.

I really want to watch Brown. Haven't caught a game yet

[Dell]

I don't understand the people who say Simmons isn't athletic. Just watch LSU play and you'll see a 6-10 guy handle the ball like a guard and blow by people off the dribble. His first step is outstanding.

Also I'm going to make a prediction on a guy who turns into a lottery pick by the end of the year... Malik Beasley at FSU. Super talented freshman.

[OleSchool]

I don't understand the people who say Simmons isn't athletic. Just watch LSU play and you'll see a 6-10 guy handle the ball like a guard and blow by people off the dribble. His first step is outstanding.

Also I'm going to make a prediction on a guy who turns into a lottery pick by the end of the year... Malik Beasley at FSU. Super talented freshman.

Heard about Beasley, haven't seen him yet

[Mik317]

A good First Step is key to be a "star" in this league.

It opens up a lot, especially with some foul happy refs

[Negrodamus]

I don't understand the people who say Simmons isn't athletic. Just watch LSU play and you'll see a 6-10 guy handle the ball like a guard and blow by people off the dribble. His first step is outstanding.

Also I'm going to make a prediction on a guy who turns into a lottery pick by the end of the year... Malik Beasley at FSU. Super talented freshman.

We need players like Simmons and Saric to make our offensive more cohesive. They are willing passers and make their teammates better.

[Duke4life831]

I know Ingram was late bloomer and really shined in his Senior year but Im still taking him over Tatum

Ingram is off to a horrible start this year. His lack of strength and inconsistent shot from deep is a massive problem for him. I think he is going to struggle for the majority of the year. The more I watch him play the less and less I see him being a star at the NBA level.

Yeah, Ingram has really disappointed so far. Now it's still early so he has a chance to turn it around.

I really want to watch Brown. Haven't caught a game yet

Ya its early but his competition will only get better on the average game. Ya he wont be facing UK every game but he wont get to face Bryant every game. These are Ingram's stats so far


12ppg on 37% fg%, 28% 3pt%, 56% ft%, 4 rb and has one more TO than assist on the year.

And if you take away his game from Bryant who is not even a top 200 team his numbers plummet to

9 ppg on 27% fg%, .08% 3pt%, 52% ft%.

And hes been terrible defensively.

[iMoreland]

I really want to watch Brown. Haven't caught a game yet

Other than bad free throw shooting Brown has been very good. He just hasn't had the eye popping numbers like Simmons.

[Duke4life831]

I don't understand the people who say Simmons isn't athletic. Just watch LSU play and you'll see a 6-10 guy handle the ball like a guard and blow by people off the dribble. His first step is outstanding.

Also I'm going to make a prediction on a guy who turns into a lottery pick by the end of the year... Malik Beasley at FSU. Super talented freshman.

We need players like Simmons and Saric to make our offensive more cohesive. They are willing passers and make their teammates better.

The Simmons not being very athletic thing came from over a year ago when he wast that athletic. Over the past year or so he has become a lot more explosive. His biggest question mark right now is scoring. I still have my doubts he will ever be a 20 point scorer in the NBA. Still think he has a chance to be a prime Lamar Odom but with his head screwed on right and that is a very good player

[Negrodamus]

I don't understand the people who say Simmons isn't athletic. Just watch LSU play and you'll see a 6-10 guy handle the ball like a guard and blow by people off the dribble. His first step is outstanding.

Also I'm going to make a prediction on a guy who turns into a lottery pick by the end of the year... Malik Beasley at FSU. Super talented freshman.

We need players like Simmons and Saric to make our offensive more cohesive. They are willing passers and make their teammates better.

The Simmons not being very athletic thing came from over a year ago when he wast that athletic. Over the past year or so he has become a lot more explosive. His biggest question mark right now is scoring. I still have my doubts he will ever be a 20 point scorer in the NBA. Still think he has a chance to be a prime Lamar Odom but with his head screwed on right and that is a very good player

I think that would be perfect for our offense. I'm hoping for the Lakers pick to convey so we can get a more scoring inclined player (hopefully of the guard variety) at the top of the draft.

If Embiid is a viable option, someone will also be traded for an established stud in the league.

[Duke4life831]

We need players like Simmons and Saric to make our offensive more cohesive. They are willing passers and make their teammates better.

The Simmons not being very athletic thing came from over a year ago when he wast that athletic. Over the past year or so he has become a lot more explosive. His biggest question mark right now is scoring. I still have my doubts he will ever be a 20 point scorer in the NBA. Still think he has a chance to be a prime Lamar Odom but with his head screwed on right and that is a very good player

I think that would be perfect for our offense. I'm hoping for the Lakers pick to convey so we can get a more scoring inclined player (hopefully of the guard variety) at the top of the draft.

If Embiid is a viable option, someone will also be traded for an established stud in the league.

I was with the mindset you guys should go all out for scoring this draft with Murray and Ingram and get one of the top PGs in next years draft. But I gotta admit I wasnt to high on Ingram coming into the season but my fellow Duke fans sold me on him. Well I am back to what I thought coming into the season, Ingram is just not there yet and dont know if he ever will be. So ya taking Ingram top 5 or so would be a bad pick. Im still waiting to see Simmons play against actual legit competition, but I think he is a pretty safe pick to be at least a really good NBA player like an Odom

[Negrodamus]

The Simmons not being very athletic thing came from over a year ago when he wast that athletic. Over the past year or so he has become a lot more explosive. His biggest question mark right now is scoring. I still have my doubts he will ever be a 20 point scorer in the NBA. Still think he has a chance to be a prime Lamar Odom but with his head screwed on right and that is a very good player

I think that would be perfect for our offense. I'm hoping for the Lakers pick to convey so we can get a more scoring inclined player (hopefully of the guard variety) at the top of the draft.

If Embiid is a viable option, someone will also be traded for an established stud in the league.

I was with the mindset you guys should go all out for scoring this draft with Murray and Ingram and get one of the top PGs in next years draft. But I gotta admit I wasnt to high on Ingram coming into the season but my fellow Duke fans sold me on him. Well I am back to what I thought coming into the season, Ingram is just not there yet and dont know if he ever will be. So ya taking Ingram top 5 or so would be a bad pick. Im still waiting to see Simmons play against actual legit competition, but I think he is a pretty safe pick to be at least a really good NBA player like an Odom

Ingram desperately needs to get stronger. He also probably should have went to a school that would give him the green light like Durant did by going to Texas.

[Duke4life831]

I think that would be perfect for our offense. I'm hoping for the Lakers pick to convey so we can get a more scoring inclined player (hopefully of the guard variety) at the top of the draft.

If Embiid is a viable option, someone will also be traded for an established stud in the league.

I was with the mindset you guys should go all out for scoring this draft with Murray and Ingram and get one of the top PGs in next years draft. But I gotta admit I wasnt to high on Ingram coming into the season but my fellow Duke fans sold me on him. Well I am back to what I thought coming into the season, Ingram is just not there yet and dont know if he ever will be. So ya taking Ingram top 5 or so would be a bad pick. Im still waiting to see Simmons play against actual legit competition, but I think he is a pretty safe pick to be at least a really good NBA player like an Odom

Ingram desperately needs to get stronger. He also probably should have went to a school that would give him the green light like Durant did by going to Texas.

He definitely has the green light at Duke. That's not the problem. 2nd in the team in field goal attempts and only 1 field goal attempt less than Grayson Allen per 48. The problem is he just has been terrible. His numbers, especially his shooting numbers are beyond awful. If you take away his one good game against Bryant which is not a top 200 school he is shooting like 28% from the field and .08% from 3 and right around 50% from the line. Like you said he desperately needs to get stronger, cause right now he is being dominated by college players. Hes much closer to Justin Jackson at UNC who was a top 10 recruit last year but you could tell he wasnt physically able to handle college players yet. That is what I think is happening to Ingram.

[charliez88PL]

for the love of god end this narrative about fit please.

Ben Simmons is probably the best prospect to come out since Anthony Davis. He will work wherever you put him. and he doesn't have the rawness and risk that the likes of Wiggins and Embiid had.

He's an absolute star, and pairing him and another star in Okafor will make us championship contenders very quickly.

The most important question I asked was - do we think Simmons has better upside than Okafor? If answer is yes - sure, lets get him. If not - I'm not so sure.

I don't think Ben is the best prospect since Anthony Davis. I believe, that before injury Embiid was the only player with upside level like Davis. Also - Andrew Wiggins is a guy with nice shot, great athletic tools, and good D - almost without question marks.

Ben Simmons just can't shoot - you can't ignore in these days NBA! Look at his games - he is amazing in open court, transition game - when he can use his speed, court vision, first step, ballhandling skills, but in half court offence he's really inefficient. And this is only NCAA level. He's not tough enough to play and 4, he is not long enough to be elite athlete. So - basicly - he wont be efficient outsite scorer - because of his shot, and he cant play close to the basket because he's not long and tough enough. As a ballhandler he should play outside, but lack of shooting skills will kill our spacing.

Look at Rajon Rondo - he's elite passer and playmaker, great competitor, but he never runs most efficient offence, becacause of he's shooting skills. Boston often looked better with Eddie House then with 'star' Rondo. And Celtics had Ray Allen, Pierce, Posey - elite 3pt shooters + KG.

Maybe Simmons can be a star, but im afraid not in contender - more borderline PO team. He just can't play with Jahlil IMO - it's worst fit ever. Sure - we can take him but we'll have the same problem like with Noel/Okafor frontcourt - or even bigger - because Jah needs slower offence to be effective, he needs good HCO, and Simminos is the guy who lives in transition.

I don't like this kind of players - they're limiting coach, and in some way theirs teammates.

Look at guys like Porzingis or Ibaka for example - they're just perfect fiters everywhere - they can shoot, strech the game, but also they can defend. I think Okafor is difficult to build around, but he's great where he should - close to the basket. With him on court you can play great inside-outside game, he creates space for he's teammates, gets double teams. Ben Simmons creates few shots, but I don't believe he can create contender offence, or be meaningful player in contending team.

Look at GSW - Curry, Klay, Iggy, Barnes, Green - every one of them can hit the 3, that is main reason, why they are champions. Spurs - Manu, Parker, Green, Leonard, Bonner, Mills - good 3pt shooters, Heat: Chalmers, James, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Miller, Mavs: Dirk, Kidd (one of career best 3pt/spot up 3pt season), Terry, Peja, Butler, Barea and elite D - Marion.

Today - you just cant afford to have more than 1 bad shooter in your team (mostly C), you can have good, eliter, average shooters, but you cant have bad shooters outside. And you should have strech 4/5 as an option on your bench.

That's why I love Ben Simmons, but I'm not a fan of idea having him in our roster.

[freshie2]

Then it's a character and work ethic question...is he an abysmal shooter, or just not great for a young kid? Lots of reps can make someone a respectable shooter, and he appears to have all the other tools...remember that magic really couldn't shoot either...he'd be ok in any era of play.

[Agnostifarian]

BPA with high lottery picks. We are 0 - 23 since last March. This team has no identity and that will remain the case until (1) we get through the 2016 draft, (2) Sign FA(s) next summer and (3) we see that roster play at least 40 games. Let's consider "FIT" at the 2017 Trade Deadline.

I haven't watched Ben Simmons yet (looking forward to doing so). Based on what I'm reading on our Board, it sounds like Simmons is a more athletic version of Saric. Simmons can defend better on the perimeter but lacks the shooting stroke to provide the spacing you'd like from a SF.

Question: Is Simmons a bigger, playmaking MKG?

[charliez88PL]

Sure, MAGIC would be ok today, but I think he wouldnt be that good as back then. Today 3pt shots are most important ever. Beside it - Magic was PG anyway, Simmons if more point forward to me. For sure - he's unique, but where is his ceiling? Closer to LeBron/Magic, or closer to Odom / Evan Turner? That's huge difference. And as you said - character - often it's more important than some tools. Look and JR Smith and Manu Ginobili