2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[LongLiveHinkie]

I don't think Colangelo's comments have any value whatsoever right now. He's not gonna drop hints or give any kind of reliable info. If anything, he'll try and misdirect. Pretty much don't believe anything any GM says right now. I mean for one, they haven't even worked out everyone yet.

[Ericb5]

Colangelo's comments are totally vacuous, and they really show why the media hated Hinkie so much. Colangelo comes out and says nothing, but he makes it really easy for the writers to write stories.

I have said since the lottery that I am afraid that he is going to over draft Monk, and I'm still afraid of that.

I want him to just take Jackson at 3. If he really doesn't want Jackson though then he needs to trade down a few spots to pick one of the other guys.

I'll like whoever he chooses since I like all of the top 8 guys, but if he takes Monk at 3 he is a fool. Isaac could be had at 5, and Smith is my second favorite after Jackson(not counting Ball and Fultz).


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[Negrodamus]

Read on Twitter

I'm not sure if it was posted, but there's that.

[eagereyez]

a lot of folks (including Jerry West...the Lakers still have Ryan West) think Jackson is the best player in the draft.

Do you have a source for that?

[Unbreakable99]

Ok after Bryan Colangelo's presser today I'm narrowing it down to a few things. I think first and foremost BC wants to trade the pick. He wants to move back to 4 or 5 or 6 and get another pick. His second best thing he wants to do is just stay at 3 and if he stays at 3 then I think his top choice is Issac with VERY STRONG consideration to Tatum with Jackson and Ball close 3rds. I think BC is very high on Isaac. BC keeps talking about shooting is a priority. Tatum could fit that bill as well if he stays at 3. I think He has Isaac and Tatum ahead of Jackson and Ball. That's just how I'm reading his words.

I take it as Dennis-Tatum-Issac-Jackson-Monk in that order now

I just think he's very very high on Isaac. Saric is the defensive weak link in the starting 5. Isaac would erase all of that and he has good 3 point shooting potential. BC drafted Korkmaz and I think he thinks he can draft another shooter later. I don't think he would draft Monk 3rd but he might if he trades bs k to 5 or later. I think BC thinks he has a good chance to get Porter or KCP in free agency and they can be the wing. I think he wants to get a defensive identify and Isaac will push Saric to the bench in a year or 2.

[Unbreakable99]

a lot of folks (including Jerry West...the Lakers still have Ryan West) think Jackson is the best player in the draft.

Do you have a source for that?

I think I saw that on twitter.

[SelfishPlayer]

Everything that I've been saying, and why I have Fox and Ball ahead of Fultz

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[Gam]

What are your thoughts on Khris Middleton for #3 and Covington.

Or just #3 for Khris straight up?

We've been discussing this trade a bit on our board.

[MR28]

Removed.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I'd rather keep 3, but I like Middleton a lot.

[Negrodamus]

What are your thoughts on Khris Middleton for #3 and Covington.

Or just #3 for Khris straight up?

We've been discussing this trade a bit on our board.

How about 3 and Covington for Giannis? That seems about equally as fair.

[Skates]

Ok after Bryan Colangelo's presser today I'm narrowing it down to a few things. I think first and foremost BC wants to trade the pick. He wants to move back to 4 or 5 or 6 and get another pick. His second best thing he wants to do is just stay at 3 and if he stays at 3 then I think his top choice is Issac with VERY STRONG consideration to Tatum with Jackson and Ball close 3rds. I think BC is very high on Isaac. BC keeps talking about shooting is a priority. Tatum could fit that bill as well if he stays at 3. I think He has Isaac and Tatum ahead of Jackson and Ball. That's just how I'm reading his words.

I take it as Dennis-Tatum-Issac-Jackson-Monk in that order now

I just think he's very very high on Isaac. Saric is the defensive weak link in the starting 5. Isaac would erase all of that and he has good 3 point shooting potential. BC drafted Korkmaz and I think he thinks he can draft another shooter later. I don't think he would draft Monk 3rd but he might if he trades bs k to 5 or later. I think BC thinks he has a good chance to get Porter or KCP in free agency and they can be the wing. I think he wants to get a defensive identify and Isaac will push Saric to the bench in a year or 2.

Isaac is really more of a tall three than a four, he may never have the muscle to defend PF's. I like Isaac more as a long, smooth SF. I'm not sure Colangelo buys Hinkie's violence at the rim philosophy given how badly and casually he bothched the handling of Noel.

I would love two picks like 5 and 10 in this draft.

The quiet guy on the Sixers front has been Tatum and sometimes when you don't hear about a guy..,

[Gam]

What are your thoughts on Khris Middleton for #3 and Covington.

Or just #3 for Khris straight up?

We've been discussing this trade a bit on our board.

How about 3 and Covington for Giannis? That seems about equally as fair.

Deal.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I like Isaac, but I worry about him being a Trevor Ariza type. He's been a good player, but not 3rd pick worthy. I think fit-wise, Isaac would be really good here, but even if Isaac reaches his ceiling I don't see superstar. In fact, I haven't heard anyone who has. Most see him as an excellent role player.

At 3, I'm just not comfortable going with a role player even if I feel that guy has little chance of being a bust. I'd rather gamble on a guy who may be less of a fit, but with a higher ceiling. If this team gets good again, we'll be able to sign 3 and D guys anyway. I don't wanna use a top pick on one.

[Mik317]

I will never get the addage of "oh you can find that guy in FA".

for one, that off the bat requires us to be a free agent destination. IMO no FA is coming here unless they get overpaid...and then in the eyes of the fans they will need to be more than just a shooter or 3 and d guy. Also the players who are actual shooters or 3 and D guys generally don't hit the market so what really is out there is a bunch of solid shooters who are far more streakier than actual knockdown snipers or 3 and D guys who really only have one and half of the two skills needed.

I get the idea behind it so this is just me being pedantic. You don't take role players in the top 5 if you can help it but can we please stop making it seem like the high level role player types are that easy to find. This franchise hasn't had a true shooter since Korver and while I love Cov, he's more of a defensive specialist ATM with the way his jumper occasionally leaves him.

If one believes Issac with his length and ability to switch PLUS his seemingly not broken looking form can become an elite or near there shooter while also being capable of wrecking havoc defensive, then you damn right he's worth a top 3 pick...thats a guy who fits on every squad, multiple lineups and brings consistent value to your franchise.....and defender who can shoot is a very valuable piece to any team and is a lot rarer than many act. Now whether or not Issac is that guy idk

[LongLiveHinkie]

I don't think Isaac will be worth a top 3 pick unless he has the ability to put the ball on the floor. Even if he's an amazing defender, I'm not take strictly a catch and shoot guy with the 3rd pick in the draft, I think it's a waste. If they think he can put the ball on the floor and create, then great. But I'm not sure I see that.

And I don't think it's a stretch to say the Sixers can find players in free agency. For one, they have the most cap room and the cap ceiling has leveled off, so we'll still be able to offer more than most other teams sans bird rights players. We'll be able to sign players. Stars? Maybe or maybe not, but I can guarantee you if the Sixers truly want a specific type of role player, they can go out and get it done.

Shooting is my favorite skill in the game, I love it as much as anyone, but I'm sick and tired of focusing in on fit. Talent wins in this league, you need stars. I'm taking the guy who I think has the best chance to be a star, even as a bad fit, over a guy who is the best fit who may not be a star.

[Chris76]

I will never get the addage of "oh you can find that guy in FA".

for one, that off the bat requires us to be a free agent destination. IMO no FA is coming here unless they get overpaid...and then in the eyes of the fans they will need to be more than just a shooter or 3 and d guy. Also the players who are actual shooters or 3 and D guys generally don't hit the market so what really is out there is a bunch of solid shooters who are far more streakier than actual knockdown snipers or 3 and D guys who really only have one and half of the two skills needed.

I get the idea behind it so this is just me being pedantic. You don't take role players in the top 5 if you can help it but can we please stop making it seem like the high level role player types are that easy to find. This franchise hasn't had a true shooter since Korver and while I love Cov, he's more of a defensive specialist ATM with the way his jumper occasionally leaves him.

If one believes Issac with his length and ability to switch PLUS his seemingly not broken looking form can become an elite or near there shooter while also being capable of wrecking havoc defensive, then you damn right he's worth a top 3 pick...thats a guy who fits on every squad, multiple lineups and brings consistent value to your franchise.....and defender who can shoot is a very valuable piece to any team and is a lot rarer than many act. Now whether or not Issac is that guy idk

Isaac could be a very good prospect for a strech 4. However, his bball iq seems low and i worry about his health (? Asthma). At 3 i like Ball or Jackson better.

[Kolkmania]

I take it as Dennis-Tatum-Issac-Jackson-Monk in that order now

I just think he's very very high on Isaac. Saric is the defensive weak link in the starting 5. Isaac would erase all of that and he has good 3 point shooting potential. BC drafted Korkmaz and I think he thinks he can draft another shooter later. I don't think he would draft Monk 3rd but he might if he trades bs k to 5 or later. I think BC thinks he has a good chance to get Porter or KCP in free agency and they can be the wing. I think he wants to get a defensive identify and Isaac will push Saric to the bench in a year or 2.

Isaac is really more of a tall three than a four, he may never have the muscle to defend PF's. I like Isaac more as a long, smooth SF. I'm not sure Colangelo buys Hinkie's violence at the rim philosophy given how badly and casually he bothched the handling of Noel.

I would love two picks like 5 and 10 in this draft.

The quiet guy on the Sixers front has been Tatum and sometimes when you don't hear about a guy..,

Which PF will destroy Jonathan Isaac at the rim if he adds some pounds over the summer? Kevin Love? I'm willing to give up an occasional easy bucket if he dramatically improves the teams versatility and help defense. Kind of the same story for Nerlens Noel, was too weak to defend guys like Cousins one on one, but compensated with a lot of rim protection, steals, deflections and ability to defend at the perimeter.

Whoever drafts Isaac should focus on transforming him into a defensive force at the 4 (even situational 5), otherwise he'll lose so much value because playing as a wing negates his weakside help defense, rebounding qualities and switching ability. Offensively he's probably not quick enough to punish poor closeouts, etc. at the 3.

[76ciology]

What are your thoughts on Khris Middleton for #3 and Covington.

Or just #3 for Khris straight up?

We've been discussing this trade a bit on our board.

Middleton for Sixers pick next year?

[HartfordWhalers]

Take your trade raping ass back to Milwaukee.

No. There is no way this is appropriate.