Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[76ciology]

I imagine the Rockets are going to sit on Harden for a while. They've made the illusion that they still intend on "competing", so players can't really fault the Rockets for not shipping him out immediately. He can bitch and moan, but he'll likely be there for at least the next season. It's a tough situation when putting into consideration his age and immense talent.

Rockets will lose leverage if they drag it out. And i think Morey knows this.

The problem is our only non-Ben/Joel contract we can match salaries with is Tobias. I can't imagine any scenario where a package centered around him doesn't get beaten out.

1.) find a third team for a tobi trade
2.) we have like around 30M of expirings (green, mike scott, bradley, dwight, walton, kork and etc) then 8m of trade exemption. Add Thybulle and/or Milton. That should get you to around 40M to match Harden’s salary

Easy to trade with Ben.
Need to be creative to trade without Ben.
Not impossible to match salaries IMO.

[51X3RF4N]

Rockets will lose leverage if they drag it out. And i think Morey knows this.

The problem is our only non-Ben/Joel contract we can match salaries with is Tobias. I can't imagine any scenario where a package centered around him doesn't get beaten out.

1.) find a third team for a tobi trade
2.) we have like around 30M of expirings (green, mike scott, bradley, dwight, walton, kork and etc) then 8m of trade exemption. Add Thybulle and/or Milton. That should get you to around 40M to match Harden’s salary

Easy to trade with Ben.
Need to be creative to trade without Ben.
Not impossible to match salaries IMO.

No 3rd team will 1) take Tobias off our hands and 2) at the same time help Harden go to Philly to join Ben and Joel.

It will be Ben, Joel or Tobias going to Houston if Harden is coming to Philly.

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[spikeslovechild]

I imagine the Rockets are going to sit on Harden for a while. They've made the illusion that they still intend on "competing", so players can't really fault the Rockets for not shipping him out immediately. He can bitch and moan, but he'll likely be there for at least the next season. It's a tough situation when putting into consideration his age and immense talent.

Rockets will lose leverage if they drag it out. And i think Morey knows this.

The problem is our only non-Ben/Joel contract we can match salaries with is Tobias. I can't imagine any scenario where a package centered around him doesn't get beaten out.

The issue is Harden will want to run the offense. Simmons without the ball is useless offensively. You might as well just keep Thybulle and play him next to Harden instead.

If we trade for Harden Simmons has to go.

[Kobblehead]

League Offices would veto any Harden trade to the Sixers where we get to keep Embiid/Simmons.

[spikeslovechild]

League Offices would veto any Harden trade to the Sixers where we get to keep Embiid/Simmons.

Why would we want to keep Simmons with Harden? They are a horrible fit together.

[the_process]

The Sixers now have a reasonable escape from the tax this season. Just throwing that out there.

[Kobblehead]

League Offices would veto any Harden trade to the Sixers where we get to keep Embiid/Simmons.

Why would we want to keep Simmons with Harden? They are a horrible fit together.

Who cares about fit?

[the_process]

League Offices would veto any Harden trade to the Sixers where we get to keep Embiid/Simmons.

Nah. Stern is gone.

That being said, another team would easily beat a Sixer offer for Harden that doesn’t include Simmons.

[youngcrev]

League Offices would veto any Harden trade to the Sixers where we get to keep Embiid/Simmons.

Why would we want to keep Simmons with Harden? They are a horrible fit together.

Cuz he's good? I don't think they're a horrible fit.

[76ciology]

My latest take on Harden trade

Kings:
Shake Milton
14M expiring (mike scott,tony bradley, Walton&Poirier)
8M trade exemption
2023 1st round pick
- cheaper and a player who would be a very happy camper in Shake who can get you around Hield’s number with better %s

Rockets:
Tobias Harris (20ppg scorer)
Buddy Hield (20ppg scorer)
2021 Sixers 1st round pick


Wall (20ppg PG)
Buddy Hield (20ppg SG)
Danuel House (3&D)
Tobias Harris (20ppg PF)
Christian Wood (next wilt chamberlain)

Reason:
Hield and Tobi are good fit with Wall. A couple of 20ppg scorers who can shoot on 3 levels to compliment Wall. Then they also have a formidable big rotation with Tucker, Woods and DMC.

Honestly, this is a trade that makes more sense in terms of fit. I dont know how you can run a team with John Wall and Ben Simmons.

After adding Sixers’ 1st round pick, they’d have 3 first round picks for a deep 2021 draft.

Sixers:
James Harden
Eric Gordon

Reason:
Traded for Harden without giving up Ben or Biid.
Still have Ben, Thybulle and Green for wing defense.

Eric Gordon and Seth Curry off the bench for 6th man scoring.

Dwight and Biid a couple of good impact defensive Cs.

Why this deal trumps Nets offer?
- Rox has to live with Wall for the next 3 seasons. Does Dinwiddie and Lavert better fit for Wall than Hield and Tobi? It’s not like Dinwiddie and Lavert are better or are up and coming stars. Those two wont breach the echelon of Hield and Tobi, borderline stars only.
- Lavert is made of glass. GMs around the league would be scared to acquire him. Have you seen how durable Tobi is during G4 of the Celts series?

Age:
Caris Lavert:26
Dinwiddie: 27
Tobias: 28
Hield: 27
^ they are all in the same age group. So it’s not like Nets is giving up young talent. Hell, Lavert’s durability probably is worse than CP3 right now.

[mithrandir17]

League Offices would veto any Harden trade to the Sixers where we get to keep Embiid/Simmons.

The league office does not have the power to veto any trades as they dont own any team as of the moment.

[spikeslovechild]

League Offices would veto any Harden trade to the Sixers where we get to keep Embiid/Simmons.

Why would we want to keep Simmons with Harden? They are a horrible fit together.

Who cares about fit?

I do we just got off three years with having a ton of talent with terrible roster construction and went nowhere watching mindbogglingly frustrating basketball.

If we do acquire Harden Simmons has to go. He can't play off the ball because he has no jumpshot and paying him the rookie max to roll to the basket is asinine. I doubt he'd be happy in the role either.

[Kobblehead]

The only year we had talent was the Butler year and we took the eventual champs to the brink even though we had no time to gel and form cohesion together. Butler is a complete non-spacer. Fit is overrated, IMO.

[Kobblehead]

If we want to make a small move for a guy with a creater's skillset, Jaylen Nowell seems worth trying to snag from Minnesota. He can't defend or anything, but he can score off the dribble in the mid-range and has a nice shooting stroke to make him appealing as an on/off ball option off the bench.

[76ciology]

Why would we want to keep Simmons with Harden? They are a horrible fit together.

Who cares about fit?

I do we just got off three years with having a ton of talent with terrible roster construction and went nowhere watching mindbogglingly frustrating basketball.

If we do acquire Harden Simmons has to go. He can't play off the ball because he has no jumpshot and paying him the rookie max to roll to the basket is asinine. I doubt he'd be happy in the role either.

Hmm..

Simmons has to give up some usage this year but it goes the opposite way around as Harden ages.

One of the reason why Harden has been unsuccessful in the playoffs is he tries too much. Maybe having Ben and Biid lessen his load.

Yeah and Harden can shoot way better than Jimmy, so he should be a better fit than Jimmy to Ben, in paper.

[Negrodamus]

Having Harden and Embiid form one of the best halfcourt duos in the league while also having one of the best fastbreak players in the league in Simmons would basically make us near unstoppable. No question you do that trade if the Rockets are foolish enough to consider it.

[76ciology]

My latest take on Harden trade

Kings:
Shake Milton
14M expiring (mike scott,tony bradley, Walton&Poirier)
8M trade exemption
2023 1st round pick
- cheaper and a player who would be a very happy camper in Shake who can get you around Hield’s number with better %s

Rockets:
Tobias Harris (20ppg scorer)
Buddy Hield (20ppg scorer)
2021 Sixers 1st round pick

STARTING 5:
Wall (20ppg PG)
Buddy Hield (20ppg SG)
Danuel House (3&D)
Tobias Harris (20ppg PF)
Christian Wood (next wilt chamberlain)

Reason:
Hield and Tobi are good fit with Wall. A couple of 20ppg scorers who can shoot on 3 levels to compliment Wall. Then they also have a formidable big rotation with Tucker, Woods and DMC.

Honestly, this is a trade that makes more sense in terms of fit. I dont know how you can run a team with John Wall and Ben Simmons.

After adding Sixers’ 1st round pick, they’d have 3 first round picks for a deep 2021 draft.

Sixers:
James Harden
Eric Gordon

Reason:
Traded for Harden without giving up Ben or Biid.
Still have Ben, Thybulle and Green for wing defense.

Eric Gordon and Seth Curry off the bench for 6th man scoring.

Dwight and Biid a couple of good impact defensive Cs.

Why this deal trumps Nets offer?
- Rox has to live with Wall for the next 3 seasons. Does Dinwiddie and Lavert better fit for Wall than Hield and Tobi? It’s not like Dinwiddie and Lavert are better or are up and coming stars. Those two wont breach the echelon of Hield and Tobi, borderline stars only.
- Lavert is made of glass. GMs around the league would be scared to acquire him. Have you seen how durable Tobi is during G4 of the Celts series?

Age:
Caris Lavert:26
Dinwiddie: 27
Tobias: 28
Hield: 27
^ they are all in the same age group. So it’s not like Nets is giving up young talent. Hell, Lavert’s durability probably is worse than CP3 right now.

Any thoughts on this?

This beats the Nets offer without giving up Ben!

[sogood]

My latest take on Harden trade

Kings:
Shake Milton
14M expiring (mike scott,tony bradley, Walton&Poirier)
8M trade exemption
2023 1st round pick
- cheaper and a player who would be a very happy camper in Shake who can get you around Hield’s number with better %s

Rockets:
Tobias Harris (20ppg scorer)
Buddy Hield (20ppg scorer)
2021 Sixers 1st round pick

STARTING 5:
Wall (20ppg PG)
Buddy Hield (20ppg SG)
Danuel House (3&D)
Tobias Harris (20ppg PF)
Christian Wood (next wilt chamberlain)

Reason:
Hield and Tobi are good fit with Wall. A couple of 20ppg scorers who can shoot on 3 levels to compliment Wall. Then they also have a formidable big rotation with Tucker, Woods and DMC.

Honestly, this is a trade that makes more sense in terms of fit. I dont know how you can run a team with John Wall and Ben Simmons.

After adding Sixers’ 1st round pick, they’d have 3 first round picks for a deep 2021 draft.

Sixers:
James Harden
Eric Gordon

Reason:
Traded for Harden without giving up Ben or Biid.
Still have Ben, Thybulle and Green for wing defense.

Eric Gordon and Seth Curry off the bench for 6th man scoring.

Dwight and Biid a couple of good impact defensive Cs.

Why this deal trumps Nets offer?
- Rox has to live with Wall for the next 3 seasons. Does Dinwiddie and Lavert better fit for Wall than Hield and Tobi? It’s not like Dinwiddie and Lavert are better or are up and coming stars. Those two wont breach the echelon of Hield and Tobi, borderline stars only.
- Lavert is made of glass. GMs around the league would be scared to acquire him. Have you seen how durable Tobi is during G4 of the Celts series?

Age:
Caris Lavert:26
Dinwiddie: 27
Tobias: 28
Hield: 27
^ they are all in the same age group. So it’s not like Nets is giving up young talent. Hell, Lavert’s durability probably is worse than CP3 right now.

Any thoughts on this?

This beats the Nets offer without giving up Ben!

Houston would hang up and block your number. This is a pretty insulting offer for a MVP caliber player in his prime.

[Negrodamus]

It's going to be crazy when Harden is sent to the Pelicans for like Brandon Ingram and Kira Lewis because no one in the East is willing to give up the young guys the Rockets want.

[Arsenal]

My latest take on Harden trade

Kings:
Shake Milton
14M expiring (mike scott,tony bradley, Walton&Poirier)
8M trade exemption
2023 1st round pick
- cheaper and a player who would be a very happy camper in Shake who can get you around Hield’s number with better %s

Rockets:
Tobias Harris (20ppg scorer)
Buddy Hield (20ppg scorer)
2021 Sixers 1st round pick

STARTING 5:
Wall (20ppg PG)
Buddy Hield (20ppg SG)
Danuel House (3&D)
Tobias Harris (20ppg PF)
Christian Wood (next wilt chamberlain)

Reason:
Hield and Tobi are good fit with Wall. A couple of 20ppg scorers who can shoot on 3 levels to compliment Wall. Then they also have a formidable big rotation with Tucker, Woods and DMC.

Honestly, this is a trade that makes more sense in terms of fit. I dont know how you can run a team with John Wall and Ben Simmons.

After adding Sixers’ 1st round pick, they’d have 3 first round picks for a deep 2021 draft.

Sixers:
James Harden
Eric Gordon

Reason:
Traded for Harden without giving up Ben or Biid.
Still have Ben, Thybulle and Green for wing defense.

Eric Gordon and Seth Curry off the bench for 6th man scoring.

Dwight and Biid a couple of good impact defensive Cs.

Why this deal trumps Nets offer?
- Rox has to live with Wall for the next 3 seasons. Does Dinwiddie and Lavert better fit for Wall than Hield and Tobi? It’s not like Dinwiddie and Lavert are better or are up and coming stars. Those two wont breach the echelon of Hield and Tobi, borderline stars only.
- Lavert is made of glass. GMs around the league would be scared to acquire him. Have you seen how durable Tobi is during G4 of the Celts series?

Age:
Caris Lavert:26
Dinwiddie: 27
Tobias: 28
Hield: 27
^ they are all in the same age group. So it’s not like Nets is giving up young talent. Hell, Lavert’s durability probably is worse than CP3 right now.

Any thoughts on this?

This beats the Nets offer without giving up Ben!

Houston would hang up and block your number. This is a pretty insulting offer for a MVP caliber player in his prime.

He's not in his prime, he's past his prime. And he's also disgrunted and wants out. And he only has 2 teams on his list.