2020-2021 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[stormi]

Feels like the talent level once you get to ~22 all the way until the mid second round is indistinguishable. Not really excited for any of these guys at 28 unless someone freaky like Mann or Springer drop.

Duarte, Butler are like lower upside but plug and play guys that I'd be content with.

Wouldn't be upset at a developmental pick on one of the Ignite boys or someone like Cooper or JRE (who I liked a lot at IMG)

[Kobblehead]

I'm browsing through seniors so I'm to be randomly shouting guys out.

Ian Dubose: 6'4" 225 pounds, 22 years old

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/ian-dubose-1.html

Good handle, good passer, good defender, can't shoot

Began his career in the Southland conference, transferred to Wake Forest as a senior

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[Kobblehead]

Justin Turner: 6'4" 205 pounds, 23 years old

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/justin-turner-1.html

Good handle, good shooting upside, good passer

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[HartfordWhalers]

I'm browsing through seniors so I'm to be randomly shouting guys out.

Thoughts on Herbert Jones?

[DCasey91]

Pick 28 - Jared Butler (Pray that Mann or Christopher is still there somehow lol)

Second Round - Trey Murphy III

If that happens I’d be running around happy as a pig in sh*t.

If there is actually no one there and all the good ones have been drafted I might be tempted on trading it for a future 1st maybe? Hmmm or a packaged deal.

28 is in an awkward spot. Like 20 someone will fall out. At ten there’s a chance a team will just gift you a really good player.

[Negrodamus]

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It's a shame that Wiggins doesn't generate more fouls, he'd be a surefire first rounder. He hits most of the stats I target in a prospect:

~5 OBPM, ~2 DBPM, 17 AST%, 2 STL%, 2 BLK%, 77% FT, 36% 3FG on volume, 65% FG at the rim, 51% 2FG

He's also 6'6, I'm seeing 6'11 W/S but don't know the validity to that. He has obvious athleticism, his scoring tools are a little boring so I'm not expecting him to become a stud scorer. I love his rebounding numbers for a guard. He's a guy I'm watching to make a huge leap up boards in the combine.

EDIT: Let me also add that in the last 12 games of the season, he was 18ppg, 6.6rpg, 2.3apg, 1.3spg, 58% 2FG, 41% 3FG, 80% FT. He clearly started to take off and played well in conference/tourney play.

[Negrodamus]

Yea, after watching some game action of him this year, Wiggins has made a substantial jump in his abilities. His best highlight is cramming over a big guy with his left hand. He also seems to be comfortable finishing with either hand. I'm not sure he supplants Roko Prkačin as my first round pick, but he's in the conversation there. Will skim through a few Maryland games today to see if he is the real deal.

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[Kobblehead]

Thoughts on Herbert Jones?

Interesting that you bring him up because I've been checking out a lot of Alabama video recently because I'm a Shackelford guy.

I think Jones is an fantastic defender. I think he'll have no trouble guarding pretty much any scorer on the court. I can see him guarding PG, SG, SF and face-up PFs. Game-changing in regards to his ability to generate steals and blocks. Not sure if he's got the bulk or rebounding ability to play regularly at the 4, defensively.

Offensively, a slightly mixed bag. On a positive note, I think his ball handling and passing ability is deceptively amazing. The jumper just isn't where it needs to be, though. And I think his finishing ability for his size leaves a lot to be desired. As solid a creator as he is, not sure if he'll be used in that role at the next level. Teams may want him to just develop a corner three and play strictly off the ball. He's going to son a few dudes that closeout too hard on him in the corner, though, because that handle is going to catch people off guard when he puts the ball on the floor.

Another very similar prospect in this class is Kansas' Marcus Garrett (he's a little shorter and lighter than Jones). Both are strong defenders with deceptively good dribbling and passing tools. Really strong playoff skillsets.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/marcus-garrett-1.html

[HartfordWhalers]

Thoughts on Herbert Jones?

Interesting that you bring him up because I've been checking out a lot of Alabama video recently because I'm a Shackelford guy.

I think Jones is an fantastic defender. I think he'll have no trouble guarding pretty much any scorer on the court. I can see him guarding PG, SG, SF and face-up PFs. Game-changing in regards to his ability to generate steals and blocks. Not sure if he's got the bulk or rebounding ability to play regularly at the 4, defensively.

Offensively, a slightly mixed bag. On a positive note, I think his ball handling and passing ability is deceptively amazing. The jumper just isn't where it needs to be, though. And I think his finishing ability for his size leaves a lot to be desired. As solid a creator as he is, not sure if he'll be used in that role at the next level. Teams may want him to just develop a corner three and play strictly off the ball. He's going to son a few dudes that closeout too hard on him in the corner, though, because that handle is going to catch people off guard when he puts the ball on the floor.

Another very similar prospect in this class is Kansas' Marcus Garrett (he's a little shorter and lighter than Jones). Both are strong defenders with deceptively good dribbling and passing tools. Really strong playoff skillsets.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/marcus-garrett-1.html

Thanks!

I watched 0 total college ball past couple years, but the scouting profile/stats looked exactly like the type of guy Philly would 'reach' and take at 28 and then have big success with.

[Negrodamus]

Yea, Herb was definitely intriguing in the early process of reviewing this draft, but after watching his game tape, his offense is unspectacular. That said, he's like a lot of other prospects in this draft that have a strong role player profile. Second round definitely feels right for him.

[Kobblehead]

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Man, I love David Johnson so much. I think his upside is Pacer-era Malcolm Brodgon.

[Negrodamus]

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I'm just going to be annoying about Wiggins and spam his ability. He was not the main on ball guy, but he was Maryland's Tobias Harris: Probably the best triple threat wing I've watched so far this year. Catches the ball and seems to always make the right decisive move to get a good look at the basket. His off ball movement is excellent and he's a tough defender. Seems to have some density to him that makes him hard to move. Once he gets some pro training, he's going to get the cheap fouls on pump fakes. He's extremely talented and technically sound.

[Kobblehead]

Justin Turner: 6'4" 205 pounds, 23 years old

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/justin-turner-1.html

Good handle, good shooting upside, good passer

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Goddamn this dude can cook. He'd give Maxey a run for his money in being the best creator on the roster.

[DCasey91]

The more I think the more we are trading out of this draft for a big established fish. Picks after 20 there’s not a lot there for me on the high ceiling front.

even our second rounder we can get something provided we do our due diligence. We do well on later picks in finding someone so not worried there.

[Negrodamus]

Here's a question for Sharife Cooper truthers, what makes him better than Abmas?

Max Abmas put up higher 3pt% on lower assisted shots and also huge production. Probably similar in stature. Pretty low TOV%. Obviously Auburn is playing better competition.

[Kobblehead]

Here's a question for Sharife Cooper truthers, what makes him better than Abmas?

Max Abmas put up higher 3pt% on lower assisted shots and also huge production. Probably similar in stature. Pretty low TOV%. Obviously Auburn is playing better competition.

I mean, look at the grand canyon sized discrepancy with their passing abilities. Also, Cooper is a relentless attacker of the rim with the potential to develop a jumper. Abmas is basically a shooting specialist with subpar handle and slashing ability.

[Negrodamus]

Here's a question for Sharife Cooper truthers, what makes him better than Abmas?

Max Abmas put up higher 3pt% on lower assisted shots and also huge production. Probably similar in stature. Pretty low TOV%. Obviously Auburn is playing better competition.

I mean, look at the grand canyon sized discrepancy with their passing abilities. Also, Cooper is a relentless attacker of the rim with the potential to develop a jumper. Abmas is basically a shooting specialist with subpar handle and slashing ability.

Aside from drawing fouls, what good is being a relentless attacker if you suck around the rim. Additionally, Cooper played for Auburn who has legit players around him. Abmas had a substantially worse team around him, so it's not surprising that the assists weren't converting and he needs to be a volume shooter to be effective.

That said, he was better at drawing deflections, a much, much better shooter, and led his team on a legitimate run in the tourney. He has Trae Young level shooting ability. I'd rather gamble on a sub 6'1 guy like that than one who is atrocious from everywhere except for the foul line.

That said, I don't really have a desire to draft either unless it's a second round flier.

[Kobblehead]

Yeah, I don't value Ambas much. Subpar creator, no passing, no defense, no rebounding. Just a 160 pound shooting specialist from a no-name school.

Cooper is one of the best passers in recent memory and has elite shotcreating ability off the dribble. And will likely have a three point shot halfway through his rookie deal. I think he's going to be an offensive force.

[Negrodamus]

Too risky for me for someone so undersized. He's already at a massive disadvantage with his size and he needs to get to an Abmas level of shooting which just doesn't seem likely. FTr and AST% is the only thing for him to hang on to and it's just not enough for me.

[Kobblehead]

Munchkins are a long shot and they need to special. Just banking on him being special.