Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[Mik317]

we didn't want Murray at the deadline so I don't get the crashing out I see rn anyway (not here elsewhere)

[ProcessDoctor]

I think it's tough to compare trade value for Murray and Ingram because of their contracts. They're close to equal value depending on the buyer IMO.

Ingram is a better player, but he's on an expiring deal. Whoever inherits him needs to be willing to pay a max or near max to keep him ($40-50 mil annually). Murray is locked into getting ~$27 mil per year over the next 3 years with a 4th-year player option.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

OK, I totally forgot about Trey Murphy in all of this. He's ready...He's probably the better fit in the lineup with Murray, CJ, and Zion. With Ingram in the lineup you have too many guys that need the basketball to be effective. Murphy is great off the ball and will make a killing as a spot up shooter on that team. Yeah, I can see where Ingram is the odd man out now. Honestly, I think Morey should go get him. Give up two FRDPs to get him. That's fine. But we damn sure need to hit on McCain and hopefully Bona. Hell man, Edwards and Jones too if possible. I want to keep the youth flowing with this organization. Ingram is in his prime at 26 years old. He's a player we can win now with and later one. I think he's the best option for Morey if we're trying to swing a trade. I would avoid Paul George like the plague.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I think it's tough to compare trade value for Murray and Ingram because of their contracts. They're close to equal value depending on the buyer IMO.

Ingram is a better player, but he's on an expiring deal. Whoever inherits him needs to be willing to pay a max or near max to keep him ($40-50 mil annually). Murray is locked into getting ~$27 mil per year over the next 3 years with a 4th-year player option.

If we were to trade for Ingram, you give him that contract. I don't see the Tobias Harris comparison. I don't see the ghost that others see with him. I see a 6'9 versatile wing who can defend well, rebound, and put the ball in the basket. I think he desperately needs a change of scenery and I think he's on the verge of hitting his prime. This reminds me of when Morey traded for James Harden and Harden went nuclear in Houston. I think Ingram can do the same. We're about to see a very good 5-6 year run with Ingram and if New Orleans wants to move him, then we need to go for it. I think it'll be well worth it. Let Ingram be our big splash and then round out the roster with the remaining dollars that we have.

[AI_Efficiency]

I think it's tough to compare trade value for Murray and Ingram because of their contracts. They're close to equal value depending on the buyer IMO.

Ingram is a better player, but he's on an expiring deal. Whoever inherits him needs to be willing to pay a max or near max to keep him ($40-50 mil annually). Murray is locked into getting ~$27 mil per year over the next 3 years with a 4th-year player option.

If we were to trade for Ingram, you give him that contract. I don't see the Tobias Harris comparison. I don't see the ghost that others see with him. I see a 6'9 versatile wing who can defend well, rebound, and put the ball in the basket. I think he desperately needs a change of scenery and I think he's on the verge of hitting his prime. This reminds me of when Morey traded for James Harden and Harden went nuclear in Houston. I think Ingram can do the same. We're about to see a very good 5-6 year run with Ingram and if New Orleans wants to move him, then we need to go for it. I think it'll be well worth it. Let Ingram be our big splash and then round out the roster with the remaining dollars that we have.

Only reason I get the PG route is because he won’t cost picks and Ingram will. But on talent alone, I have a feeling we haven’t seen the best out of BI, but we certainly have from PG. It wouldn’t be shocking to see Ingram be better than Paul next year imo.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I think it's tough to compare trade value for Murray and Ingram because of their contracts. They're close to equal value depending on the buyer IMO.

Ingram is a better player, but he's on an expiring deal. Whoever inherits him needs to be willing to pay a max or near max to keep him ($40-50 mil annually). Murray is locked into getting ~$27 mil per year over the next 3 years with a 4th-year player option.

If we were to trade for Ingram, you give him that contract. I don't see the Tobias Harris comparison. I don't see the ghost that others see with him. I see a 6'9 versatile wing who can defend well, rebound, and put the ball in the basket. I think he desperately needs a change of scenery and I think he's on the verge of hitting his prime. This reminds me of when Morey traded for James Harden and Harden went nuclear in Houston. I think Ingram can do the same. We're about to see a very good 5-6 year run with Ingram and if New Orleans wants to move him, then we need to go for it. I think it'll be well worth it. Let Ingram be our big splash and then round out the roster with the remaining dollars that we have.

Only reason I get the PG route is because he won’t cost picks and Ingram will. But on talent alone, I have a feeling we haven’t seen the best out of BI, but we certainly have from PG. It wouldn’t be shocking to see Ingram be better than Paul next year imo.

Paul George doesn't even want to be here. You're not going to get the best of Paul George. We're going to get a soon to be 35 year old who plays in 40 games and fizzles out in the playoffs. I'd rather give up the draft picks for Ingram if that's the case. Ingram needs a change of scenery. He's literally in his prime right now. It just makes too much sense, but so did drafting Dalton Knecht and we didn't do that. With that being said, I think the team needs to find a way to continue to stay relevant in the upcoming drafts. We at least need second round picks OR we need to trade into the first round. I can't stress it enough. McCain and Bona are much more important than I think we realize.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

You trade for Ingram, it gives you so much balance with this team. You have an all star damn near elite guard, you have a superstar center, and you have a borderline possibly soon to be all star wing on your roster. With that kind of balance and stability, you can compete with any team in this league in a playoff setting for the next 4-5 years and probably beyond that if our younger talent develops.

[NYSixersFan]

Murray was my top choice after Bridges and Markaanen. We could have easily traded for him and still had picks plus significant cap space.

Not surprised Morey wouldn't make this deal.

[PhillyNj]

You trade for Ingram, it gives you so much balance with this team. You have an all star damn near elite guard, you have a superstar center, and you have a borderline possibly soon to be all star wing on your roster. With that kind of balance and stability, you can compete with any team in this league in a playoff setting for the next 4-5 years and probably beyond that if our younger talent develops.

Ingram is a little better than average. That’s it.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

You trade for Ingram, it gives you so much balance with this team. You have an all star damn near elite guard, you have a superstar center, and you have a borderline possibly soon to be all star wing on your roster. With that kind of balance and stability, you can compete with any team in this league in a playoff setting for the next 4-5 years and probably beyond that if our younger talent develops.

Ingram is a little better than average. That’s it.

Really? Yeah, you're right! Let's forget the whole thing! Thank you for setting me straight! It only took 11 syllables from you for me to realize this! Amazing!

[Kobblehead]

Dejounte is a dreadful basketball player to me. Him and Zion are an atrocious fit together.

Honestly, these idiot teams keep acquiring him to play next to their munchkin and it's making him worse.

He'd be fine if he was the smallest player in his lineup.

Going from Trae Young to C.J. McCollum isn't going to help him at all. One terrible backcourt to another.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Some free agent names that I personally like that shouldn't cost a ton of money. These are low risk/high reward type of additions in my opinion.

Jalen Smith- He might be a little expensive, but he'd be worth it.

Bol Bol- I think he's destined to become a Sixer at some point. I really liked what I saw from him when he played with Orlando. We can probably get him for next to nothing. If he ever figures the game out, he's going to be a steal for someone. I don't know why he hasn't caught on somewhere yet. I thought he was locked in with Orlando.

Lonnie Walker- Again, probably not cheap, but not overly expensive. Brooklyn is rebuilding, I doubt they care if he leaves. He'd be a great Melton replacement and probably a starter next to Maxey for us. I think he turned a corner playing in Brooklyn last year. He's a Reading kid. Would love for us to bring him home.

Dennis Smith Jr- Poaching from Brooklyn once again. He's not the sharpest player in the league, but he's found a role in the NBA. We could use him the same way we used Beverly last season and if we don't bring back Lowry or Payne, then I like Smith jr as an option.

Derrick Jones Jr- he's probably going to get paid a lot of money, but I put his name on here anyway.

Aaron Holiday- Can't believe he's already 27 years old! Good defensive guard.

Taurean Prince- Morey likes his vets, I think he would find valuable minutes here under Nick Nurse.

Bismack Biyombo- vet min type of addition. I wish we would have grabbed him last year when Embiid went down.

Daniel Theis- Can stretch the floor and hit open threes. He's a ball hawk, he likes to play physical, he likes to make people mad, we could use some of that on this team.

[Sixteen]

ingram has always been my #1 choice out of PG and Butler. He's offers the most upside and has a similar floor. And if it doesn't work, we can trade Embiid for that godfather offer and go forward with Maxey/Ingram/Embiid returns.

[mjkvol]

^^^ Yeah, it's not like he'll be easy to trade if things go south. You have to really ask yourself at this point, does adding Paul George put us ahead of Boston and New York? I personally don't think that it does. You're still banking on either New York or Boston slipping or an injury occuring that knocks them off the throne. Then you have an injury prone George playing with an injury prone Embiid. I just don't see it. I don't see it working out.

What I do like is the fact that we didn't trade away our draft picks. We kept them and we should use them, and develop them. Suddenly we've got a youthful core with Maxey, Council, McCain, and hopefully Bona. I think we should continue to add younger free agents as opposed to older divas who are averaging 45 games players per year. Paul George is going to be a disaster here in my opinion. Sure, we're a playoff team with or without him, but it'll feel extremely forced and false if we sign him.
I think it's important to see where Joel Embiid is at with all of this. We would have easily locked down the 2nd seed this past season had he not gotten hurt and that's with him, Maxey and fillers. Not to mention Harris dragging us down. I don't know man, call me crazy, but I think we need to add 3-4 versatile free agents, bring back Oubre, Lowry, and Batum and run it back. Give McCain and Council minutes as well. You've got to find a way to develop youth through all of this.

Agree. It's highly unlikely that we are beating BOS and NY this season regardless what moves are made, so why not build a young core that can be tweaked and added to for 2025 and beyond? I know that isn't Morey's "M.O.", but it's the most prudent and forward thinking way to proceed right now.

[MikRay]

You trade for Ingram, it gives you so much balance with this team. You have an all star damn near elite guard, you have a superstar center, and you have a borderline possibly soon to be all star wing on your roster. With that kind of balance and stability, you can compete with any team in this league in a playoff setting for the next 4-5 years and probably beyond that if our younger talent develops.

Meh

I don’t understand why you want to trade someone when we have the most cap space in the league. You don’t need to trade assets you pay to bring players here.

[the_process]

Full trade appears to be
To ATL: 2025 Lakers 1st, 2027 Bucks/Pelicans 1st (whichever if the worse of the two), Larry Nance Jr, Dyson Daniels(#8 pick in 2022)
To NOP: Dejounte Murray

Love this for ATL.

I mean, I see what the Pelicans are going for? But I don't like the guy they picked.

I assume Daniels is the most important piece to the Hawks? But I'd be calling about him anyway.

[the_process]

^^^ Yeah, it's not like he'll be easy to trade if things go south. You have to really ask yourself at this point, does adding Paul George put us ahead of Boston and New York? I personally don't think that it does. You're still banking on either New York or Boston slipping or an injury occuring that knocks them off the throne. Then you have an injury prone George playing with an injury prone Embiid. I just don't see it. I don't see it working out.

What I do like is the fact that we didn't trade away our draft picks. We kept them and we should use them, and develop them. Suddenly we've got a youthful core with Maxey, Council, McCain, and hopefully Bona. I think we should continue to add younger free agents as opposed to older divas who are averaging 45 games players per year. Paul George is going to be a disaster here in my opinion. Sure, we're a playoff team with or without him, but it'll feel extremely forced and false if we sign him.
I think it's important to see where Joel Embiid is at with all of this. We would have easily locked down the 2nd seed this past season had he not gotten hurt and that's with him, Maxey and fillers. Not to mention Harris dragging us down. I don't know man, call me crazy, but I think we need to add 3-4 versatile free agents, bring back Oubre, Lowry, and Batum and run it back. Give McCain and Council minutes as well. You've got to find a way to develop youth through all of this.

Agree. It's highly unlikely that we are beating BOS and NY this season regardless what moves are made, so why not build a young core that can be tweaked and added to for 2025 and beyond? I know that isn't Morey's "M.O.", but it's the most prudent and forward thinking way to proceed right now.

At this point, it's young guys and role
players ahead.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

You trade for Ingram, it gives you so much balance with this team. You have an all star damn near elite guard, you have a superstar center, and you have a borderline possibly soon to be all star wing on your roster. With that kind of balance and stability, you can compete with any team in this league in a playoff setting for the next 4-5 years and probably beyond that if our younger talent develops.

Meh

I don’t understand why you want to trade someone when we have the most cap space in the league. You don’t need to trade assets you pay to bring players here.

It's the circumstances that we're faced with. Ingram is going to be a free agent in 2025. You lock him up now if you really want him. Indy did it with Siakam, New York did it with Anunoby.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

ingram has always been my #1 choice out of PG and Butler. He's offers the most upside and has a similar floor. And if it doesn't work, we can trade Embiid for that godfather offer and go forward with Maxey/Ingram/Embiid returns.

To me it's the most logical move to make IF we are in fact trying to land another big-time player. It's either that or you wait until LaMelo Ball asks for a trade. IDK. There will be more names that eventually want a change of scenery. In terms of now and the circumstances we are faced with, Ingram makes the most sense if we want to do something this summer. The other option is to once again fill out the roster with expiring contracts and try and make a run with Embiid and Maxey the way we did last season.

The 25 Free Agent list looks a lot better than this years...With that being said, the trend lately has been guys basically just sticking with their teams and re-upping. We haven't seen a lot of big time free agent signings compared to years past.

2025
Brandon Ingram
Jamal Murray
Malcolm Brogdan
Myles Turner
Derrick White
Lauri Markkanen
Alex Caruso
Terance Mann
Mo Wagner
Caleb Martin
Isaiah Joe
Ben Simmons (Kidding)
Jimmy Butler
Aaron Gordon could potentially opt out of his deal

I know people don't want to hear this, but waiting until 2025 if we don't want to trade for Ingram might be the better play. Otherwise, you trade for Brandon Ingram. There's no reason why we need to get caught up in trying to sign Paul George or Demar Derozan to long term deals because we aren't going to win with them now OR in the future. Brandon Ingram is a guy that you can win with now and in the future. Like you said, God forbid, Embiid asks out...OK...We still have a foundation of Maxey and Ingram and can now get back some assets to keep moving forward if that were to ever happen.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

^^^ Yeah, it's not like he'll be easy to trade if things go south. You have to really ask yourself at this point, does adding Paul George put us ahead of Boston and New York? I personally don't think that it does. You're still banking on either New York or Boston slipping or an injury occuring that knocks them off the throne. Then you have an injury prone George playing with an injury prone Embiid. I just don't see it. I don't see it working out.

What I do like is the fact that we didn't trade away our draft picks. We kept them and we should use them, and develop them. Suddenly we've got a youthful core with Maxey, Council, McCain, and hopefully Bona. I think we should continue to add younger free agents as opposed to older divas who are averaging 45 games players per year. Paul George is going to be a disaster here in my opinion. Sure, we're a playoff team with or without him, but it'll feel extremely forced and false if we sign him.
I think it's important to see where Joel Embiid is at with all of this. We would have easily locked down the 2nd seed this past season had he not gotten hurt and that's with him, Maxey and fillers. Not to mention Harris dragging us down. I don't know man, call me crazy, but I think we need to add 3-4 versatile free agents, bring back Oubre, Lowry, and Batum and run it back. Give McCain and Council minutes as well. You've got to find a way to develop youth through all of this.

Agree. It's highly unlikely that we are beating BOS and NY this season regardless what moves are made, so why not build a young core that can be tweaked and added to for 2025 and beyond? I know that isn't Morey's "M.O.", but it's the most prudent and forward thinking way to proceed right now.

At this point, it's young guys and role
players ahead.

It probably should be at this point. Let the young guys develop as quickly as they can. In order to do so, they need to play. We're still a playoff team regardless.