Sixers, Cavs, Wolves.

9th Wonder · Post #521 » by **9th Wonder** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:01 pm

Either it breaks the rules or it doesn't. Would like to hear some context from Tom Moore.

sixerswillrule · Post #522 » by **sixerswillrule** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:01 pm

Mr Sixer wrote:
MCtripDub wrote:
JoelNoel wrote:
What does that even mean?

My thoughts exactly... Do we have two separate deals brewing?

Thad for salary dumps

Second rounder for Bennett

????

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Somebody wrote a post yesterday about how Bennett cannot be dealt right away because they just traded him. So I think we would have to trade a super-protected 2nd for Bennett, and then in a separate trade trade Thad for Barea or something like that. Probably other fillers, maybe picks involved, but I believe that's the premise.

EDIT:jpatrick got there before I did.

But they didn't just trade him. The trade hasn't happened yet. Why can't we jump in? Separate trades shouldn't be necessary

WVU · Post #523 » by **WVU** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:03 pm

They will pay for their "basketball reasons"

MountainDrew · Post #524 » by **MountainDrew** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:05 pm

Even Corey's losing his **** haha. But seriously, wtf is that? As long as we follow the rules in place, Adam Silver shouldn't even think about intervening. Changing the lottery, blocking our trades... Goddamnit man, you want Philadelphia to be relevant? Just let Hinkie make it happen man!

Mr Sixer · Post #525 » by **Mr Sixer** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:07 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:
Mr Sixer wrote:
MCtripDub wrote:
My thoughts exactly... Do we have two separate deals brewing?

Thad for salary dumps

Second rounder for Bennett

????

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Somebody wrote a post yesterday about how Bennett cannot be dealt right away because they just traded him. So I think we would have to trade a super-protected 2nd for Bennett, and then in a separate trade trade Thad for Barea or something like that. Probably other fillers, maybe picks involved, but I believe that's the premise.

EDIT:jpatrick got there before I did.

But they didn't just trade him. The trade hasn't happened yet. Why can't we jump in? Separate trades shouldn't be necessary

I'm assuming they don't want it to happen as a 3 way deal for some reason. Probably makes the salaries work out better, ignoring this whole Silver wants to block the trade snafu.

Knowing Silver, he's probably gonna let the Cavs Wolves trade happen, and then block our trade. Kinda like he waited for free agency and the draft to finish, and then decided that he wanted to change the draft lottery system. I knew it would only take so many drafts for him to start getting booed by the crowd, and considering over half of us there were Sixers fans, it might start next year.

BobThornton · Post #526 » by **BobThornton** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:09 pm

Tom Moore ‏@tmoore76ers now

Doesn't affect a 3-team trade. #NBA could step in if #Sixers try to make 2 separate deals w/Wolves less than 60 days after Minn-Cle trade.

sixerswillrule · Post #527 » by **sixerswillrule** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:10 pm

I don't see any reason why they wouldn't want to make it happen as a 3 way. The end result will be the same so it shouldn't make a difference.

Mr Sixer · Post #528 » by **Mr Sixer** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:12 pm

BobThornton wrote:Tom Moore ‏@tmoore76ers now

Doesn't affect a 3-team trade. #NBA could step in if #Sixers try to make 2 separate deals w/Wolves less than 60 days after Minn-Cle trade.

Yeah, exactly. Worst case scenario we have to wait another 60 days after the August 23rd trade, which would suck but not really affect us as long as nothing fell through.

jpatrick · Post #529 » by **jpatrick** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:16 pm

I wonder if this leak about a possible problem if it's not a three-team trade was by one of the teams (Philly or MN), to put pressure on the other to get the deal done. For example, maybe this is Hinkie's way of telling Flip, give me what I want now or there is no way to get the deal done later (or vice-versa). Just seems odd.

Post #530 » by **sixers hoops** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:23 pm

jpatrick wrote:I wonder if this leak about a possible problem if it's not a three-team trade was by one of the teams (Philly or MN), to put pressure on the other to get the deal done. For example, maybe this is Hinkie's way of telling Flip, give me what I want now or there is no way to get the deal done later (or vice-versa). Just seems odd.

I could believe that the league wouldn't be happy about the two separate deals. Can anyone think of a case where teams had to break a deal into two smaller, lop-sided deals to meet CBA requirements?

Appears to be a legit concern.

Post #531 » by **sixers hoops** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:25 pm

jpatrick wrote:I wonder if this leak about a possible problem if it's not a three-team trade was by one of the teams (Philly or MN), to put pressure on the other to get the deal done. For example, maybe this is Hinkie's way of telling Flip, give me what I want now or there is no way to get the deal done later (or vice-versa). Just seems odd.

Also, when the sixers want to leak nonsense they go to Dei Lynum.

BobThornton · Post #532 » by **BobThornton** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:30 pm

http://www.theintell.com/sports/sixers/ ... 3bd56.html

The Timberwolves reportedly are interested in Thaddeus Young as a possible replacement for Love. If the Sixers, who remain roughly $30 million below the salary cap, are unable to make it a three-team deal in which they could end up with Bennett and a pick, they could try to trade with the Wolves for Bennett.

The problem is Bennett cannot be combined with another outgoing player in a deal for 60 days if he goes to Minnesota.

The way around that would be for Sam Hinkie and the Sixers to trade a second-round selection to the Timberwolves for Bennett soon after Aug. 23 and then acquire two players — and probably a protected first-rounder — for Young. The league could choose to not allow the Bennett portion because it is designed to circumvent the salary cap.

Young is set to make $9.2 million in 2014-15, with a $9.7 million player option for the following year. Bennett, who had a subpar rookie campaign, is at $5.6 million this season. It’s unclear if Minnesota would be willing to part with Bennett if they acquire him from Cleveland.

The Wolves have three players with expiring contracts, any two of which would work in a deal for Young. They are: guard JJ Barea ($4.7 million), forward Luc Mbah a Moute ($4.4 million) and Alexey Shved ($3.2 million, with a $4M qualifying offer for the following year).

9th Wonder · Post #533 » by **9th Wonder** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:32 pm

LMAM would be nice salary filler if it comes down to it. He's Embiid's mentor.

BobThornton · Post #534 » by **BobThornton** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:37 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:I don't see any reason why they wouldn't want to make it happen as a 3 way. The end result will be the same so it shouldn't make a difference.

I wonder what the downside would be for the Cavs or Wolves that is keeping it from being a 3 way deal? It was rumored to be a 3 way deal about a week ago. Wonder why that changed to be separate deals?

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #535 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:40 pm

The trade will go through. It's not like we just traded Lebron James for Steve Novak in an attempt to tank the season. Anthony Bennett was the number 1 pick just last year and Thad is a slightly above average power forward. $$$$ may be the only hold up and if that is the case I am sure we will take back Berea/ Luc Richard or whatever it takes to get the deal done. NBA juss bein beetches about it, but I fully expect Bennett (if he comes here) to have a positive impact on this team. Not worried, this is a done deal.

ckchen · Post #536 » by **ckchen** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:41 pm

BobThornton wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:I don't see any reason why they wouldn't want to make it happen as a 3 way. The end result will be the same so it shouldn't make a difference.

I wonder what the downside would be for the Cavs or Wolves that is keeping it from being a 3 way deal? It was rumored to be a 3 way deal about a week ago. Wonder why that changed to be separate deals?

I believe technically, as a three-team deal every team has to "touch" the others involved. It just makes it slightly more complicated because there needs to be something traded between the Cavs and Sixers.

I don't see how the NBA could block the trade when it follows the rules. This has happened before.

KKell2507 · Post #537 » by **KKell2507** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:43 pm

sixers hoops wrote:
jpatrick wrote:I wonder if this leak about a possible problem if it's not a three-team trade was by one of the teams (Philly or MN), to put pressure on the other to get the deal done. For example, maybe this is Hinkie's way of telling Flip, give me what I want now or there is no way to get the deal done later (or vice-versa). Just seems odd.

I could believe that the league wouldn't be happy about the two separate deals. Can anyone think of a case where teams had to break a deal into two smaller, lop-sided deals to meet CBA requirements?

Appears to be a legit concern.

It doesnt happen too often but it does happen. The most recent example I can think of off the top of my head was the Steve Blake to the Warriors deal at the deadline last year. Where the Warriors sent Marshon Brooks and Bazemore to the Lakers, eventhough the Warriors had just acquired Brooks only a month before.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/2/20/5 ... a-analysis

i just dont see how it doesnt become a 3-team deal though if this is true. Makes absolutely no sense NOT to make it a 3-team deal. Saves Im sure plenty of paperwork, and plenty of time working around the logistics of the CBA. And doesnt piss off the League front office in the process.

Ericb5 · Post #538 » by **Ericb5** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:44 pm

ckchen wrote:
BobThornton wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:I don't see any reason why they wouldn't want to make it happen as a 3 way. The end result will be the same so it shouldn't make a difference.

I wonder what the downside would be for the Cavs or Wolves that is keeping it from being a 3 way deal? It was rumored to be a 3 way deal about a week ago. Wonder why that changed to be separate deals?

I believe technically, as a three-team deal every team has to "touch" the others involved. It just makes it slightly more complicated because there needs to be something traded between the Cavs and Sixers.

I don't see how the NBA could block the trade when it follows the rules. This has happened before.

If that is the case then one of these protected 2nd round pick scenarios can cover it. They trade a pick protected against the first 55 picks and it is extinguished if it isn't used.

That part is easy.

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Gsraider · Post #539 » by **Gsraider** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:46 pm

This makes no sense. So long as it doesn't effect CLE (i.e. they still get Love and don't have to add any players or picks to the deal), why wouldn't the 76ers just get involved in the 3 team deal and avoid any potential accusations of salary cap circumvention? I doubt CLE would care. All this would seemingly do is open up Hinkie and the 76ers to scrutiny if it's a 2 trade transaction. Otherwise, I suppose Philly could always wait 60 days and then do, but anything can happen during that timeframe.

KKell2507 · Post #540 » by **KKell2507** » Fri Aug 8, 2014 2:48 pm

ckchen wrote:
BobThornton wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:I don't see any reason why they wouldn't want to make it happen as a 3 way. The end result will be the same so it shouldn't make a difference.

I wonder what the downside would be for the Cavs or Wolves that is keeping it from being a 3 way deal? It was rumored to be a 3 way deal about a week ago. Wonder why that changed to be separate deals?

I believe technically, as a three-team deal every team has to "touch" the others involved. It just makes it slightly more complicated because there needs to be something traded between the Cavs and Sixers.

I don't see how the NBA could block the trade when it follows the rules. This has happened before.

It works under the rules of the CBA as a 3-team trade.

Minnesota Receives: Andrew Wiggins, Thaddeus Young, 2015 Miami 1st round pick
Cleveland Receives: Kevin Love
Philadelphia Receives: Anthony Bennett

I, for some reason, have a hard time believing the Sixers arent getting something else in this deal however. Just cant see HInkie trading Thad Young straight up for Bennett without atleast getting some sort of pick(which may need us to take on some salary).

If the Sixers DO take Bennett for Thad straight up, we would have another $4 million in cap space to add to our already infinite amount. Dont know what the point of that would be.

Final trade thoughts