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Re: Uh oh, Embiid suffers setback per Woj 

Post#521 » by crow » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:59 pm

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crow wrote:Day 3: I still have yet to see anything other than that BS report by that 'unnamed source' to lead me to believe that Joel will miss next season.


The only reports that we have seen about next year are based on the fact that we don't know what the next step is. Since the range of possibilities includes surgery then people are saying that he could miss next year. There is no information to suggest that he is likely to miss next year.

The most direct information that we have is the quotes from Kanas where one of their assistant coaches talked directly to Joel who said that they were going to slow down.


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I thought surgery was already ruled out? Or am I imagining things?
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Post#522 » by Chamberlainship » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:07 am

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Show me a restricted free agent coming off an all star appearance that didn't sign with his original team in the last decade. It's extremely rare that players of that talent level transfer teams when the team has matching rights. Especially now that the CBA has eliminated some sign and trade loopholes. We're living in a world where Eric Gordon and Gordan Heyward can be signed to max offer sheets and their teams still match.

Do you understand what the words "few and far between" mean? As I said, I am on board with culling the free agent market for deals, I'm just not optimistic that we will get a good result based on history. Josh Smith was signed the same off season that Millsap was. In free agency, you lose much more than you win.


I can't think of one. But that doesn't mean it won't ever happen. 100% unrealistic is an overstatement.

Being able to find talent when it's few and far between is the name of the game. If you can't do that, you fail. Abstaining from the free agent market entirely (with the exception of d-league guys) is a mistake. It puts us at a disadvantage.
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Post#523 » by Chamberlainship » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:12 am

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Remember, the ability to sign dleague gold guys isn't the only thing the choice does. It also frees up cap space that gets the Sixers draft picks (The OKC pick, and countless 2nds), and enables the team to have the room to offer contracts to guys they view as great targets. If Philly had filled the cap with role players last year, they wouldn;t be able to go after the Jimmy Butlers this summer.

The team has said -- on the record -- they will go after a bunch of big elephant prime targets, and if they say no, won;t just go for guys that don't matter. Instead, it will roll the cap over and try next year versus signing guys that will make a difference then.

Isn't that what you want, or do you want them to get the best guys they can this summer, even if the best they can is not that great, and blocks them next summer?


Are they going after Jimmy Butler? They never go after anyone. At some point, you start to lose patience with flexibility.
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Re: Uh oh, Embiid suffers setback per Woj 

Post#524 » by HartfordWhalers » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:15 am

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HartfordWhalers wrote:
Remember, the ability to sign dleague gold guys isn't the only thing the choice does. It also frees up cap space that gets the Sixers draft picks (The OKC pick, and countless 2nds), and enables the team to have the room to offer contracts to guys they view as great targets. If Philly had filled the cap with role players last year, they wouldn;t be able to go after the Jimmy Butlers this summer.

The team has said -- on the record -- they will go after a bunch of big elephant prime targets, and if they say no, won;t just go for guys that don't matter. Instead, it will roll the cap over and try next year versus signing guys that will make a difference then.

Isn't that what you want, or do you want them to get the best guys they can this summer, even if the best they can is not that great, and blocks them next summer?


Are they going after Jimmy Butler? They never go after anyone. At some point, you start to lose patience with flexibility.


They have implied they are targeting a few of the top wing free agents, which would fit him and Kawhi. I would expect nothing to come of it, but it wouldn't be from lack of trying.

With the news that Butler wants a short term deal -- woj just reported -- it is great for Philly as it gives them a year or 2 to look more attractive while still maintaining the cap room to get him when Chicago cannot match.

Realistically, nothing will come of tier A this year.

Tobias Harris will be interesting. He isn't top tier by a lot of metrics, but is also young and a guy that if you offered max money to, there is a chance the home team doesn't match.
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Post#525 » by Ericb5 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:17 am

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Ericb5 wrote:
crow wrote:Day 3: I still have yet to see anything other than that BS report by that 'unnamed source' to lead me to believe that Joel will miss next season.


The only reports that we have seen about next year are based on the fact that we don't know what the next step is. Since the range of possibilities includes surgery then people are saying that he could miss next year. There is no information to suggest that he is likely to miss next year.

The most direct information that we have is the quotes from Kanas where one of their assistant coaches talked directly to Joel who said that they were going to slow down.


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I thought surgery was already ruled out? Or am I imagining things?


Nothing has been ruled out as far as we know.


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Re: Uh oh, Embiid suffers setback per Woj 

Post#526 » by Sixerscan » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:32 am

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Show me a restricted free agent coming off an all star appearance that didn't sign with his original team in the last decade. It's extremely rare that players of that talent level transfer teams when the team has matching rights. Especially now that the CBA has eliminated some sign and trade loopholes. We're living in a world where Eric Gordon and Gordan Heyward can be signed to max offer sheets and their teams still match.

Do you understand what the words "few and far between" mean? As I said, I am on board with culling the free agent market for deals, I'm just not optimistic that we will get a good result based on history. Josh Smith was signed the same off season that Millsap was. In free agency, you lose much more than you win.


I can't think of one. But that doesn't mean it won't ever happen. 100% unrealistic is an overstatement.

Being able to find talent when it's few and far between is the name of the game. If you can't do that, you fail. Abstaining from the free agent market entirely (with the exception of d-league guys) is a mistake. It puts us at a disadvantage.


Now you're just not reading what I wrote.
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Post#527 » by Chamberlainship » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:49 am

^Now? 8-)

(Joking. I'm pretty enthused that you're pro-free agent this summer, but I'm trying to argue with a lot of people right now and we're not on opposite sides. I'm having a hard time adjusting to that.)
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Post#528 » by Chamberlainship » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:51 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
Chamberlainship wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
Remember, the ability to sign dleague gold guys isn't the only thing the choice does. It also frees up cap space that gets the Sixers draft picks (The OKC pick, and countless 2nds), and enables the team to have the room to offer contracts to guys they view as great targets. If Philly had filled the cap with role players last year, they wouldn;t be able to go after the Jimmy Butlers this summer.

The team has said -- on the record -- they will go after a bunch of big elephant prime targets, and if they say no, won;t just go for guys that don't matter. Instead, it will roll the cap over and try next year versus signing guys that will make a difference then.

Isn't that what you want, or do you want them to get the best guys they can this summer, even if the best they can is not that great, and blocks them next summer?


Are they going after Jimmy Butler? They never go after anyone. At some point, you start to lose patience with flexibility.


They have implied they are targeting a few of the top wing free agents, which would fit him and Kawhi. I would expect nothing to come of it, but it wouldn't be from lack of trying.

With the news that Butler wants a short term deal -- woj just reported -- it is great for Philly as it gives them a year or 2 to look more attractive while still maintaining the cap room to get him when Chicago cannot match.

Realistically, nothing will come of tier A this year.

Tobias Harris will be interesting. He isn't top tier by a lot of metrics, but is also young and a guy that if you offered max money to, there is a chance the home team doesn't match.


This can be viewed as a really encouraging post. Since Hinkie arrived, the summers (after the draft) have been dreadful because of the lack of activity. Your're suggesting we'll at least be in the game this summer.
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Post#529 » by Sixerscan » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:55 am

Chamberlainship wrote:^Now? 8-)

(Joking. I'm pretty enthused that you're pro-free agent this summer, but I'm trying to argue with a lot of people right now and we're not on opposite sides. I'm having a hard time adjusting to that.)


Haha

RE The RFAs: It's not a realistic expectation based on anything we know about the business of the NBA. You have hope, which is fine, but you're not that different from the people hoping Kristnaps Pringles becomes a franchise player. Yeah 100% unrealistic might be an overstatement but... (Actually for all I know that might have a higher chance than signing JBut)

And FWIW, they did go after Avery Bradley last summer
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Post#530 » by LongLiveHinkie » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:36 am

Anyone wanna get a kickstarter going to buy Embiid a new foot?
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Post#531 » by Embiid P » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:50 am

Westbrook36 wrote:Anyone wanna get a kickstarter going to buy Embiid a new foot?


I'll chip in if it's made of adamantium. :D
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Post#532 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:55 am

Man, Tobias Harris would be a hell of an edition!
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Post#533 » by eyeatoma » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:11 am

Not really...He hasn't done anything after he had that impressive breakout 2 years ago with the Magic...
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Post#534 » by Embiid P » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:29 am

Pass on Harris. He's a nice role player but isn't worth the money that he's probably going to receive. If we don't land either Leonard or Butler then just sit on our cap space and use it to acquire more picks and/or make a run at KD, AD, or whatever other big names are available next summer.
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Post#535 » by PhilasFinest » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:57 am

I can see the allure in offering a FA money....with the cap jumping up, even a large deal for someone like Harris could end up being a decent to bargain deal in a few years.
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
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Post#536 » by Unbreakable99 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:22 am

Does anyone think Embiid will be one of the players displaying the new uniforms on Thursday?
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Post#537 » by Sixerscan » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:32 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:Does anyone think Embiid will be one of the players displaying the new uniforms on Thursday?


If he's not hanging out in the Caribbean or somewhere 1,000 miles from a reporter the Sixers are messing up
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Post#538 » by Unbreakable99 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:56 am

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Unbreakable99 wrote:Does anyone think Embiid will be one of the players displaying the new uniforms on Thursday?


If he's not hanging out in the Caribbean or somewhere 1,000 miles from a reporter the Sixers are messing up


Why? He isn't crippled. He can stand in a uniform. He better be there and ready to say if he's not ready by training camp then something is wrong lol. I want him there and ready to talk. Stop hiding. He's not even tweeting anymore.
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Post#539 » by Sixerscan » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:07 am

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Unbreakable99 wrote:Does anyone think Embiid will be one of the players displaying the new uniforms on Thursday?


If he's not hanging out in the Caribbean or somewhere 1,000 miles from a reporter the Sixers are messing up


Why? He isn't crippled. He can stand in a uniform. He better be there and ready to say if he's not ready by training camp then something is wrong lol. I want him there and ready to talk. Stop hiding. He's not even tweeting anymore.


Nope. He shouldn't be talking to media if he has anything over than good news. Training camp is 3 months away, deal with it then.
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Post#540 » by Unbreakable99 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:09 am

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Unbreakable99 wrote:
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If he's not hanging out in the Caribbean or somewhere 1,000 miles from a reporter the Sixers are messing up


Why? He isn't crippled. He can stand in a uniform. He better be there and ready to say if he's not ready by training camp then something is wrong lol. I want him there and ready to talk. Stop hiding. He's not even tweeting anymore.


Nope. He shouldn't be talking to media if he has anything over than good news. Training camp is 3 months away, deal with it then.


I expect to see Embiid wearing the new uniforms. You don't have to have good news to wear a uniform.

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