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Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#521 » by BullyKing » Sat May 18, 2019 1:37 am

Kobblehead wrote:If you have a talented scorer that fits and has an ideal skillset, there's nothing wrong with overpaying him.

Khris Middleton will be overpaid in Milwaukee, too. I'm not sweating overpaying for Tobias.


Pretty much. It's all about the context. Overpaying is one thing when you still have cap space to spend. It's another thing when the only consequence is the amount of tax money it costs the owners. Might as well find out now whether Harris is willing to actually pay it or not.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#522 » by PhillyPhilly » Sat May 18, 2019 1:48 am

Didn't Tobias average 15 ppg against Toronto and near on 20 ppg In the regular season? He did his job imo and can only get better.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#523 » by XtremeDunkz » Sat May 18, 2019 8:45 am

We will be capped out no matter what. At that point who gives a **** what Harris and his crew need to pay as long as they are willing to pay it.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#524 » by SouthJersey » Sat May 18, 2019 12:25 pm

While Sixers are at it, let's also extend $10 million a year contract to Mike Scott and extend James Ennis for the $8 million. Can't risk losing them
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#525 » by Kobblehead » Sat May 18, 2019 12:40 pm

I think our whole bench should be renounced.

The only one worth bringing back, to me, is the guy the organization already pulled the plug on (Korkmaz).

Scott and Ennis did their best at serving a function, but neither were productive players for us.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#526 » by Negrodamus » Sat May 18, 2019 12:54 pm

Presumably, if you have the horses in your starting lineup set, the ring chasing vets come running. Then again, I don’t know how likable Butler, Simmons, and Embiid are around the league.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#527 » by SouthJersey » Sat May 18, 2019 1:10 pm

With Harris, I don't see how at the end of the year, being a 4th option on a team, he is gonna produce significantly better numbers than a guy like Thad Young who will probably come at 1/2 or a 1/3 of the price.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#528 » by ankle420breaker » Sat May 18, 2019 1:17 pm

Jimmy should be the first priority and I'd like to think he'll get his max offer from us at midnight right when free agency gets underway. Just hope he's committed to staying.

We jeopardize losing Tobias, but my preference would be to submit a max offer to Brogdon and dare Milwaukee to match.

Hopefully we can retain JJ for another year and come to terms fairly early.



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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#529 » by youngcrev » Sat May 18, 2019 1:26 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:Jimmy should be the first priority and I'd like to think he'll get his max offer from us at midnight right when free agency gets underway. Just hope he's committed to staying.

We jeopardize losing Tobias, but my preference would be to submit a max offer to Brogdon and dare Milwaukee to match.

Hopefully we can retain JJ for another year and come to terms fairly early.



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6 PM now :wink:

Agreed on Butler being the priority, but there's no way in hell I'd prefer Brogdon on a max deal over Tobias. Not to mention, you lose lose bird rights on guys and the MLE if you do that.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#530 » by Kobblehead » Sat May 18, 2019 1:36 pm

SouthJersey wrote:With Harris, I don't see how at the end of the year, being a 4th option on a team, he is gonna produce significantly better numbers than a guy like Thad Young who will probably come at 1/2 or a 1/3 of the price.

Because even in a relegated state, Tobias is capable of going on the ball and creating a bucket on a given possession.

In my eyes, we should be clearing out the pecking order ahead of him (Butler, Simmons) instead of looking to go cheaper and match his production with role players.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#531 » by sixers hoops » Sat May 18, 2019 2:03 pm

PhillyPhilly wrote:Didn't Tobias average 15 ppg against Toronto and near on 20 ppg In the regular season? He did his job imo and can only get better.


His shooting percentage was pretty trash considering he had a lot of good looks, but Toronto is very good defensively. He was 38-100. However, he had to take a lot of deep shots and probably wasn’t getting the ball in his ideal spots.

He seems to really work hard on his game evidenced by his career improvement, and going through an offseason, training camp, and having an opportunity for coach to implement him more effectively will help in theory.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#532 » by sixers hoops » Sat May 18, 2019 2:05 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
SouthJersey wrote:With Harris, I don't see how at the end of the year, being a 4th option on a team, he is gonna produce significantly better numbers than a guy like Thad Young who will probably come at 1/2 or a 1/3 of the price.

Because even in a relegated state, Tobias is capable of going on the ball and creating a bucket on a given possession.

In my eyes, we should be clearing out the pecking order ahead of him (Butler, Simmons) instead of looking to go cheaper and match his production with role players.


While I am nervous committing the big money to him, he is a very good, versatile scorer, that can complement just about any roster.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#533 » by sixers hoops » Sat May 18, 2019 2:06 pm

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ankle420breaker wrote:Jimmy should be the first priority and I'd like to think he'll get his max offer from us at midnight right when free agency gets underway. Just hope he's committed to staying.

We jeopardize losing Tobias, but my preference would be to submit a max offer to Brogdon and dare Milwaukee to match.

Hopefully we can retain JJ for another year and come to terms fairly early.



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6 PM now :wink:

Agreed on Butler being the priority, but there's no way in hell I'd prefer Brogdon on a max deal over Tobias. Not to mention, you lose lose bird rights on guys and the MLE if you do that.


Is 6 PM official?
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#534 » by youngcrev » Sat May 18, 2019 2:10 pm

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youngcrev wrote:
ankle420breaker wrote:Jimmy should be the first priority and I'd like to think he'll get his max offer from us at midnight right when free agency gets underway. Just hope he's committed to staying.

We jeopardize losing Tobias, but my preference would be to submit a max offer to Brogdon and dare Milwaukee to match.

Hopefully we can retain JJ for another year and come to terms fairly early.



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6 PM now :wink:

Agreed on Butler being the priority, but there's no way in hell I'd prefer Brogdon on a max deal over Tobias. Not to mention, you lose lose bird rights on guys and the MLE if you do that.


Is 6 PM official?


Not yet (as far as I know), but now that it's out there, I'm not really sure what would hold it back. Can't imagine anyone involved in the decision making process prefers the midnight start
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#535 » by BullyKing » Sat May 18, 2019 2:47 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I think our whole bench should be renounced.

The only one worth bringing back, to me, is the guy the organization already pulled the plug on (Korkmaz).

Scott and Ennis did their best at serving a function, but neither were productive players for us.


I think Ennis and Scott were more productive than you but there's another benefit to bringing them back. The alternative to bringing them back is a minimum salary player. At the very least, having them on bigger deals may provide valuable matching salary for a trade later, which is something we completely lack.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#536 » by BullyKing » Sat May 18, 2019 2:49 pm

SouthJersey wrote:While Sixers are at it, let's also extend $10 million a year contract to Mike Scott and extend James Ennis for the $8 million. Can't risk losing them


Then you're fine replacing them with whoever will sign for the minimum? Cause something tells me you will be whining up a storm next season when our bench is a collective of JAGS
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#537 » by sixers hoops » Sat May 18, 2019 2:58 pm

BullyKing wrote:
SouthJersey wrote:While Sixers are at it, let's also extend $10 million a year contract to Mike Scott and extend James Ennis for the $8 million. Can't risk losing them


Then you're fine replacing them with whoever will sign for the minimum? Cause something tells me you will be whining up a storm next season when our bench is a collective of JAGS


Scott and Ennis are good fits for this roster at the right price. With Josh Harris possibly putting constraints on how much luxury tax he is willing to pay, we don’t want to cripple our flexibility by overpaying rotational guys. However, operating over the cap, we might as well lock in bench players for the right length of contract and money. I imagine they will both want more than what I would offer.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#538 » by BullyKing » Sat May 18, 2019 3:01 pm

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SouthJersey wrote:While Sixers are at it, let's also extend $10 million a year contract to Mike Scott and extend James Ennis for the $8 million. Can't risk losing them


Then you're fine replacing them with whoever will sign for the minimum? Cause something tells me you will be whining up a storm next season when our bench is a collective of JAGS


Scott and Ennis are good fits for this roster at the right price. With Josh Harris possibly putting constraints on how much luxury tax he is willing to pay, we don’t want to cripple our flexibility by overpaying rotational guys. However, operating over the cap, we might as well lock in bench players for the right length of contract and money. I imagine they will both want more than what I would offer.


I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that we're limited to offering Scott $5 million a year and Ennis something like $3 million a year both of which I would be comfortable with.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#539 » by youngcrev » Sat May 18, 2019 3:02 pm

BullyKing wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I think our whole bench should be renounced.

The only one worth bringing back, to me, is the guy the organization already pulled the plug on (Korkmaz).

Scott and Ennis did their best at serving a function, but neither were productive players for us.


I think Ennis and Scott were more productive than you but there's another benefit to bringing them back. The alternative to bringing them back is a minimum salary player. At the very least, having them on bigger deals may provide valuable matching salary for a trade later, which is something we completely lack.


It looks like the most we can give Scott is about 5M and Ennis about 2M using their bird rights rather cutting into the MLE. I'd be happy to have either back at those rates, and would be perfectly fine letting them walk if they want more. My guess would be Ennis opts at and gets more elsewhere after the decently effective run he had in the playoffs and the demand for wings that fall somewhere on the 3 and D spectrum.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#540 » by sixers hoops » Sat May 18, 2019 3:14 pm

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Then you're fine replacing them with whoever will sign for the minimum? Cause something tells me you will be whining up a storm next season when our bench is a collective of JAGS


Scott and Ennis are good fits for this roster at the right price. With Josh Harris possibly putting constraints on how much luxury tax he is willing to pay, we don’t want to cripple our flexibility by overpaying rotational guys. However, operating over the cap, we might as well lock in bench players for the right length of contract and money. I imagine they will both want more than what I would offer.


I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that we're limited to offering Scott $5 million a year and Ennis something like $3 million a year both of which I would be comfortable with.


On one year deals I presume? If so, then yes.

If we go with the current core four, then rotation could be:
Embiid, Tobias, Butler, Ennis, Simmons, with Redick, Scott, and Ennis on one or two year deals.

Then add another backcourt player and backup big. People suggest ideal guys who would be realistic are Dedmon and Beverly.

On Sixersbeat, Derek and Rich discussed the importance of the backup big. If they want to limit Embiid’s minutes and games played, then worth a moderate investment. However, I think another guard who can shoot and handle would be the bigger need.

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