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Post#521 » by Mik317 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:20 pm

his defense isn't even that good. Its boom or bust and teams seems to have gotten tape on him and know when and where he gambles.
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Post#522 » by Monix » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:06 pm

Mik317 wrote:his defense isn't even that good. Its boom or bust and teams seems to have gotten tape on him and know when and where he gambles.

This seems like a strange assumption - it's not like he's on the floor and not generating turnovers due to a scouting report. He's played less than 30 total minutes in the 4 games. The bigger issue seems to be his level of play once the team got together for the shortened preseason and/or his not picking up the schemes from the new coaches yet.

He is overrated as a defender to this point because he relies too much on his instincts and athleticism. If he grows up and becomes a more cerebral defender those natural instincts and ability to generate turnovers and blocks are what give him the chance to be special on that end.

He'll never be more than a pretty limited role player on offense.

He needs to take advantage of having Danny Green around this season and learn from a guy who made a career with fewer athletic gifts than he has.
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Post#523 » by Arsenal » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:19 pm

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Mik317 wrote:his defense isn't even that good. Its boom or bust and teams seems to have gotten tape on him and know when and where he gambles.

This seems like a strange assumption - it's not like he's on the floor and not generating turnovers due to a scouting report. He's played less than 30 total minutes in the 4 games. The bigger issue seems to be his level of play once the team got together for the shortened preseason and/or his not picking up the schemes from the new coaches yet.

He is overrated as a defender to this point because he relies too much on his instincts and athleticism. If he grows up and becomes a more cerebral defender those natural instincts and ability to generate turnovers and blocks are what give him the chance to be special on that end.

He'll never be more than a pretty limited role player on offense.

He needs to take advantage of having Danny Green around this season and learn from a guy who made a career with fewer athletic gifts than he has.


Yeah this. He needs to be a total sponge around Danny Green. Just copy everything he does. That's his best chance to become a difference maker in this league.

I'm ok keeping him around since he seems like the best candidate to take over Green's role next year. The team will have to determine if he's putting in the work for that. Otherwise its time to sell high.
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Post#524 » by LloydFree » Fri Jan 1, 2021 3:51 am

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LloydFree wrote:Korkmaz getting hurt saved Doc from himself. Doc doesn't know Korkmaz is terrible yet, so he was wasting time on him. Now he's forced to play Thybulle.


I agree. Korkmaz has talent and would be great in Euroleague but I don't see him as a player who will ever be particularly useful in NBA playoffs. Thybulle has way more upside.

It'll only take a few minutes a game for Thybulle to show Doc he's a more useful player than Korkmaz.

Somebody (probably Dallas) will make Korkmaz a rich man in Free agency next year, and immediately regret it after they see him play 2-3 games.
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Post#525 » by spikeslovechild » Sat Jan 2, 2021 2:00 pm

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Mik317 wrote:his defense isn't even that good. Its boom or bust and teams seems to have gotten tape on him and know when and where he gambles.

This seems like a strange assumption - it's not like he's on the floor and not generating turnovers due to a scouting report. He's played less than 30 total minutes in the 4 games. The bigger issue seems to be his level of play once the team got together for the shortened preseason and/or his not picking up the schemes from the new coaches yet.

He is overrated as a defender to this point because he relies too much on his instincts and athleticism. If he grows up and becomes a more cerebral defender those natural instincts and ability to generate turnovers and blocks are what give him the chance to be special on that end.

He'll never be more than a pretty limited role player on offense.

He needs to take advantage of having Danny Green around this season and learn from a guy who made a career with fewer athletic gifts than he has.


Yeah this. He needs to be a total sponge around Danny Green. Just copy everything he does. That's his best chance to become a difference maker in this league.

I'm ok keeping him around since he seems like the best candidate to take over Green's role next year. The team will have to determine if he's putting in the work for that. Otherwise its time to sell high.


Nah for me anyways the biggest need on this team is a volume scorer particular as it relates to taking 3's with a decent level of efficiency. I am not convinced Milton is a capable of being that guy. People are way too high on him based off some small sample size we've all seen this happen before where a young player comes in gets hot for a bit then completely disappears he's a guy I'd like to sell high on because if his offense isn't there he is basically useless due to his defense being so bad.

One of the players we need to continue to keep an eye on is Hield. He would fit what this team lacks to a tee. We really need a guy who can get his shot off in tight spaces particularly 3's. We really haven't had that guy since JJ and even when Milton's on he isn't a volume 3P shooter. Honestly while this roster is better then last year but it still needs a ton of work. We need to continue to bring in more shooting. If not Hield we still have a large TPE to absorb a contract. We still have the MLE.

As far as Thybulle goes he is fighting for minutes now with Green and has basically taken a large backseat to him and a now healthy Simmons. He's averaging 9mins a game. What he needs more then anything isn't Greens tutelage it's his minutes. He is never going to be a max player so we need to stop worrying about his "tutelage" and instead maximize the surplus value we are getting from his contract while he is still on his rookie deal. Green is a much better asset then Horford but that doesn't mean he isn't a luxury if we could package his expiring for a shooting SG we should do it.
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Post#526 » by Kobblehead » Sat Jan 2, 2021 2:47 pm

Mik317 wrote:his defense isn't even that good. Its boom or bust and teams seems to have gotten tape on him and know when and where he gambles.

I do think his defense is that good. We all know that inexperienced players just make more mistakes than seasoned guys. He's going to make a lot of bad decisions as a young player. Imagine when Matisse is seasoned, though. I think he's capable of being a series-changing defender by then.
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Post#527 » by phillynative » Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:53 pm

I think he gets extreme enjoyment out of raining on someones parade literally. Guards catch fire and Doc puts Matisse in to extinguish the flames. I think he is a better guard defender than wing defender being able to use his quickness to stay in front and length to disrupt. He is a defensive specialist not much offense right now.

This last game in Sacramento, Deandre fox who has to be the quickest player in the league could not be stopped. He got to the rim over and over and no one could stay in front of him including Ben. After one of his many layups the camera zoomed in on the sixers bench catching looks of dissapointment and frustration except one person. I caught a glimpse of Matisse watching Fox with such intensity and focus it looked creepy. He watched him like a Hawk watches its prey.He knew he was going to get assigned to slow him down sooner or later and thats exactly what he did in the fourth helping the sixers take control of the game for the win.

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Post#528 » by Stanford » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:15 pm

Still has a 4.0 DBPM

He's hacked that stat
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Post#529 » by 76ciology » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:17 pm

Stanford wrote:Still has a 4.0 DBPM

He's hacked that stat


He plays exactly how modern perimeter defender should play.

A lot of deflections off individual and team defense.

They want defenders to gamble on defense. Thybulle is just born for it.
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Post#530 » by 76ciology » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:25 pm

For nickname, I like “spidey”.

They gave the same nickname to Iggy on his first practice on the team back then, for his length and defense.

Thybulle’s mannerism and physique is comparable to spiderman (tom holland era). He just need to wear some thick framed glasses outside the court. Then most importantly, both Thybulle and Spiderman has spider sense.
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Post#531 » by Eyeamok » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:52 pm

The Blanket is a perfect nickname for Matisse. He can smother and put out anyone that is on fire.
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Post#532 » by Skates » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:21 pm

Doc said in several interviews that Thybulle was encouraged to hunt steals and gamble more in the defensive scheme last year, but that they want him to be more selective about it now and sometimes he struggles and falls into his old habits, that is when you see guys get past him especially early ni games because he is gambling a bit too much, but later in the game he gets more focused into lockdown mode and when he and Simmons are completely engaged defensively they are a perimeter wrecking cue.

His shot ain't terrible or ugly, he's good enough to be at least a consistent corner three guy, get some points as a cutter and in transition. Sometimes he parks too long out in the corner and gets forgotten in some sets. Improving his catch and shoot three is something a guy can do all through his career, so while he doesn't have a high ceiling offensively, he isn't toped out there yet.
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Post#533 » by phillynative » Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:06 pm

76ciology wrote:
Stanford wrote:Still has a 4.0 DBPM

He's hacked that stat


He plays exactly how modern perimeter defender should play.

A lot of deflections off individual and team defense.

They want defenders to gamble on defense. Thybulle is just born for it.


How would u compare his defense to a jrue holiday who is more physical and strong compared to matisse who is more speedy and disruptive?
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Post#534 » by 76ciology » Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:39 pm

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76ciology wrote:
Stanford wrote:Still has a 4.0 DBPM

He's hacked that stat


He plays exactly how modern perimeter defender should play.

A lot of deflections off individual and team defense.

They want defenders to gamble on defense. Thybulle is just born for it.


How would u compare his defense to a jrue holiday who is more physical and strong compared to matisse who is more speedy and disruptive?


Jrue is a better individual defender. Jrue has the foot speed to stay with his man and the physique to not get backed down easily (i saw a clip where he’s defending Giannis on their scrimmage). Thus, he has the tools to be highly switchable on defense and it makes him a better individual defender. Jrue doesnt gamble that much compared to Mattise because he doesnt have the quickness of Thybulle, but he can stay on his man more often.

Thybulle is a better team defender. Really smart on reading the defense then insanely quick reaction time to be at position to deflect the ball.

Thinking about it, Thybulle’s nickname should be “dragonfly”.

Read this on a book written by Maria Konnikova

“What do you picture when you think of the most successful hunter in the animal kingdom?

Likely a lion, or a cheetah, with its majestic run, or perhaps a wolf stalking its prey. They are all striking beasts. They are all powerful. They are all deadly. And none of them is even close to being the most successful.

The cheetah comes in highest, killing approximately 58 percent of the animals it hunts.

The lion is next, at less than half that—one quarter of its intended kills hit the mark. And the wolf captures only 14 percent of what it stalks.

The true deadly killer is one that hardly anyone would think of: the dragonfly.

According to a 2012 study from researchers at Harvard University, the dragonfly manages to capture an astounding 95 percent of its targeted prey.

It may not look as glamorous or be the subject of fan adulation—it’s unlikely anyone sees the tiny flying alien look-alike as a kindred spirit—but it’s a far more effective predator. Its eyes have developed to spot the tiniest deviations in motion. Its wings allow it to swerve and swoop in unimaginably quick configurations.

And its brain has evolved to not only see possible targets but predict their future movements with startling accuracy. The dragonfly is so good not only because it sees what its prey is doing, but because it can also predict what it will do and plan its response accordingly.”
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Post#535 » by Negrodamus » Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:47 pm

76ciology wrote:
Stanford wrote:Still has a 4.0 DBPM

He's hacked that stat


He plays exactly how modern perimeter defender should play.

A lot of deflections off individual and team defense.

They want defenders to gamble on defense. Thybulle is just born for it.


I agree. I think people see him as "getting burned" but he's actually forcing the guy to go into the paint and try to score over Embiid or Howard, especially since the guy is not out of the woods of getting blocked on a midrange shot by Matisse. The annoying thing is he's prone to getting those cheap fouls called on him.

Otherwise, it's pretty hard to get a clean 3 off on him in ISO situations, which is an elite trait these days.
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Post#536 » by elchengue20 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:29 pm

I'm not that impressed with his footwork and lateral speed on defense. Not saying he's bad, but i hope he can improve. Also like most young players, he's still has to polish his awareness.

His length and insticts to create deflections are absolutely elite though.Like all time great.That's enough to be a good to great defender.If he can improve on his weaknesses, he's going to be 1st team All Defense material one day.
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Post#537 » by phillynative » Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:31 pm

elchengue20 wrote:I'm not that impressed with his footwork and lateral speed on defense. Not saying he's bad, but i hope he can improve. Also like most young players, he's still has to polish his awareness.

His length and insticts to create deflections are absolutely elite though.Like all time great.That's enough to be a good to great defender.If he can improve on his weaknesses, he's going to be 1st team All Defense material one day.


I think thats something he can improve on with the right training and more experience. He will eventually need to get stronger and learn how to use his body more as well. That will help him foul less and stay in front of quicker players more often while also not being overpowered by bigger players as well.
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Post#538 » by Kobblehead » Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:35 pm

Thybulle is literally the best defensive player of all-time. It's a damn shame that he offers next to nothing offensively. He could somehow manage to get his ppg near the 10-12 mark, he'd be one of the best ancillary assets in the sport.
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Post#539 » by LloydFree » Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:42 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Thybulle is literally the best defensive player of all-time. It's a damn shame that he offers next to nothing offensively. He could somehow manage to get his ppg near the 10-12 mark, he'd be one of the best ancillary assets in the sport.

I don't care about how many points per game he scores. He has to get like Bruce Bowen, and make himself league average from the corner 3, so he can be more than just a specialty piece in the rotation. If he can hit the corner 3 at 36 percent, he takes Danny Green's spot as a starter.
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Post#540 » by Stanford » Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:47 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Thybulle is literally the best defensive player of all-time. It's a damn shame that he offers next to nothing offensively. He could somehow manage to get his ppg near the 10-12 mark, he'd be one of the best ancillary assets in the sport.


How many minutes should he play in the average playoff game

How many minutes would he need to average in the regular season to be a legitimate DPOY candidate?

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