The Playoffs Thread

[eyeatoma]

Championship?

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First round exit.

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After the championship? I'll take it.

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The team is not winning a championship only with Lillard, Harris and Embiid, and with no defenders or microwave scorers. You're dreaming. Especially with the Nets we need to be stacked. Not just two all stars.. You're trading an elite utility star with DPOY status for an offensive superstar, but also giving up your other DPOy candidate, plus a potential 6th man of the year or possibly even starting guard who could average over 18 ppg???? Morey wouldn't give up both of them for Harden what makes you think he will for Lillard? At most it was picks, Thybulle and Simmons for Harden. Morey said go fawk yourself when they asked for Maxey. Morey will look like an idiot if he gives up a bigger package for Lillard.

The best we can do is the Harden package and see if Portland bites.

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[Jhawk03]

First round exit.

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After the championship? I'll take it.

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The team is not winning a championship only with Lillard, Harris and Embiid, and with no defenders or microwave scorers. You're dreaming. Especially with the Nets we need to be stacked. Not just two all stars.. You're trading an elite utility star with DPOY status for an offensive superstar, but also giving up your other DPOy candidate, plus a potential 6th man of the year or possibly even starting guard who could average over 18 ppg???? Morey wouldn't give up both of them for Harden what makes you think he will for Lillard? At most it was picks, Thybulle and Simmons for Harden. Morey said go fawk yourself when they asked for Maxey. Morey will look like an idiot if he gives up a bigger package for Lillard.

The best we can do is the Harden package and see if Portland bites.

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Hey, you can die on this hill all the live long, but the question is two fold.

1. Do you want a ring?

3. At what cost?

And that's not a typo

[eyeatoma]

After the championship? I'll take it.

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The team is not winning a championship only with Lillard, Harris and Embiid, and with no defenders or microwave scorers. You're dreaming. Especially with the Nets we need to be stacked. Not just two all stars.. You're trading an elite utility star with DPOY status for an offensive superstar, but also giving up your other DPOy candidate, plus a potential 6th man of the year or possibly even starting guard who could average over 18 ppg???? Morey wouldn't give up both of them for Harden what makes you think he will for Lillard? At most it was picks, Thybulle and Simmons for Harden. Morey said go fawk yourself when they asked for Maxey. Morey will look like an idiot if he gives up a bigger package for Lillard.

The best we can do is the Harden package and see if Portland bites.

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Hey, you can die on this hill all the live long, but the question is two fold.

1. Do you want a ring?

3. At what cost?

And that's not a typo

Want a ring, but I also don't want to take two steps back. The Nets will be relevant for the next 2-3 seasons. Lillard/Harris/Embiid is good, but it is not great when Embiid sits 20 games, Harris is decent, and we have no bench depth, or defense on the starting lineup apart from Embiid.

[76ciology]

To whoever that guy who said Lakers was a fraud.

I apologize and say you were right. I just think they’d be better with a healthy AD and if Bron didnt decide to raise the white flag like a game or two back.

Harrell was a bad signing. I’d probably look for a guard for scoring not on a PF.

G:Schroeder
G:Scoring guard like Jordan Clarkson instead of Harrell (6th man then insert to SG on crunch time)
F:Bron
F:AD
C:Gasol

[76ciology]

Will Ben ever be good enough as Lillard?
Will Ben ever be more valuable as Lillard as an asset?

If the answer are no, then you do the trade.

After the deal, we then let Morey do his magic is surrounding the team with guys to compliment our guys.

If Lillard declines or retires, we find a 6’9” athlete then buy him some ball hog gloves and then train him to dribble. We’d then have Ben 2.0

[kuclas]

Will Ben ever be good enough as Lillard?
Will Ben ever be more valuable as Lillard as an asset?

If the answer are no, then you do the trade.

After the deal, we then let Morey do his magic is surrounding the team with guys to compliment our guys.

If Lillard declines or retires, we find a 6’9” athlete then buy him some ball hog gloves and then train him to dribble. We’d then have Ben 2.0

You try to trade future draft picks and expirings for lillard. Not Simmons. I’ve said it over and over again.

Smart teams like Toronto offer junk (junk to Toronto cause they weren’t gonna to resign their players). They offered junk for Marc Gasol when he was still a good player. Now JV and Wright were good players. But Toronto had zero intention of resigning them.

Same thing with Nets trade. They had zero intention of resigning Allen. They just trade future draft picks.

It’s one thing to trade Simmons. But Portland will try to demand 2 more unprotected 2023/2025 draft picks plus try to ask us to throw in thybulle and or maxey for lillard.

[ProcessDoctor]

If Morey could pull of Harris + multiple picks for Lillard, I’d build a statue for him outside Wells Fargo myself.

[76ciology]

Will Ben ever be good enough as Lillard?
Will Ben ever be more valuable as Lillard as an asset?

If the answer are no, then you do the trade.

After the deal, we then let Morey do his magic is surrounding the team with guys to compliment our guys.

If Lillard declines or retires, we find a 6’9” athlete then buy him some ball hog gloves and then train him to dribble. We’d then have Ben 2.0

You try to trade future draft picks and expirings for lillard. Not Simmons. I’ve said it over and over again.

Smart teams like Toronto offer junk (junk to Toronto cause they weren’t gonna to resign their players). They offered junk for Marc Gasol when he was still a good player. Now JV and Wright were good players. But Toronto had zero intention of resigning them.

Same thing with Nets trade. They had zero intention of resigning Allen. They just trade future draft picks.

It’s one thing to trade Simmons. But Portland will try to demand 2 more unprotected 2023/2025 draft picks plus try to ask us to throw in thybulle and or maxey for lillard.

If you can get Lillard for expiring and picks, then go ahead. Why would i even oppose to that? Hahaha

[Kobblehead]

To whoever that guy who said Lakers was a fraud.

I apologize and say you were right. I just think they’d be better with a healthy AD and if Bron didnt decide to raise the white flag like a game or two back.

Harrell was a bad signing. I’d probably look for a guard for scoring not on a PF.

G:Schroeder
G:Scoring guard like Jordan Clarkson instead of Harrell (6th man then insert to SG on crunch time)
F:Bron
F:AD
C:Gasol

I put a lot of the blame on LeBron/Vogul for the playoff rotation. Talen Horton-Tucker was their ace in the hole and they didn't even play him in the playoffs. Talen is a defensive beast AND their third best creator behind LeBron and Dennis. Like what do we say all the time? Shotcreation is the most valuable talent in the sport. And they had a guy that could both create AND defend and they played him 12 mpg with no role in the postseason. Terrible decision.

And yeah, guys like Harrell and Kuzma are just poor value player archetypes. Assisted-scoring PFs that don't make plays defensively suck.

[Mik317]

The Lakers missed Dwight (and I guess McGee) , Rondo, and Green. The latter two are guy who know how to win. Dwight > Drummond. And their shooters are "fake" shooter. Add to that Bron getting old and AD paying the basketball gods back..and welp

[Kobblehead]

I think a good trade for the Lakers is to call up Sacramento and offer Kuzma for Delon Wright plus salary.

Then you have LeBron, Dennis, Talen and Delon in your creation core. The latter two are stud defenders ontop of shotcreators. Makes them much more playoff viable. Then you're bringing a Top 10 defense with a creation core to next year's playoffs and go back to being real contenders.

[sodmoraes]

I think so. Tobias is good, but he likes to operate to much in the post with his isos. And he's not a willing 3 pt shooter. Besides, he's not clutch, he will hardly ever have a game when he's on fire and score 50 points winning a game when we play without Embiid.

With Cj we improve our backcourt tremendously and get a guy who shoots 9 3's per game at 40% clip. He's overshadowed by Dame but i think he would be an allstar on the east. Last year he had 23 ppg ( 46% fg) , 5 apg and 4 rpg playing with Dame. He´s that good:

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I think he's a true second option. And we still keep Simmons, sliding him to PF where he truly belongs( with Reed backing he up), still keeping Maxey and Thybulle.

Dame is the better player by far, but the package would deplete badly our team( altough Dame is worth it ). If we trade for Dame is an all in move( like the nets did) if we can get Cj losing only Tobias is a move that we improve and still keep our core intact. Both are good options in my opinion.

It seems Portland will blow it up this year. Dame is already complaining on social media. In the offseason we gotta get Cj or Dame.

For Cj maybe a Tobias trade is enough? He would fit really well here. Or we could go crazy and try to get Dame? Maybe a package of Simmons, Mathisse and 2 picks( and maybe Maxey ) would be enough? I Love Maxey but Dame is crazy good and so clutch, he and Embiid would be unstoppable.

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Does CJ for Tobias makes us better?

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[Arsenal]

Will Ben ever be good enough as Lillard?
Will Ben ever be more valuable as Lillard as an asset?

If the answer are no, then you do the trade.

After the deal, we then let Morey do his magic is surrounding the team with guys to compliment our guys.

If Lillard declines or retires, we find a 6’9” athlete then buy him some ball hog gloves and then train him to dribble. We’d then have Ben 2.0

You try to trade future draft picks and expirings for lillard. Not Simmons. I’ve said it over and over again.

Smart teams like Toronto offer junk (junk to Toronto cause they weren’t gonna to resign their players). They offered junk for Marc Gasol when he was still a good player. Now JV and Wright were good players. But Toronto had zero intention of resigning them.

Same thing with Nets trade. They had zero intention of resigning Allen. They just trade future draft picks.

It’s one thing to trade Simmons. But Portland will try to demand 2 more unprotected 2023/2025 draft picks plus try to ask us to throw in thybulle and or maxey for lillard.

THIS. Thankfully Daryl Morey is MUCH SMARTER than these clowns on here dying to send Ben + other players + picks for Lilliard.

Get Lillard WITHOUT giving up Ben. Then we're good. Otherwise it's a lateral move that will hurt us big time in the long run.

[Arsenal]

I'd consider Tobias for CJ. I want Covington in the package though as we need a starting forward to replace Tobias.

Harris + Milton for CJ + Cov ?

[76ciology]

Yeah. Expirings and picks for Lillard. In a box, yes.

Then some team will make it a bid war.
Pels can offer Lonzo and the bazillion of picks they have for Lillard.

Raps can trade FVV and picks to pair Lillard and Siakam.

Like sure if you can get expirings and picks for Ben, do it.

But you’re likely not going to get Lillard for expirings and picks because like what we’ve seen in the Harden or even the Lowry sweepstakes, GMs would make it a bid war.

Maybe Celts may even join the party.

[Wilfried]

Yeah. Expirings and picks for Lillard. In a box, yes.

Then some team will make it a bid war.
Pels can offer Lonzo and the bazillion of picks they have for Lillard.

Raps can trade FVV and picks to pair Lillard and Siakam.

Like sure if you can get expirings and picks for Ben, do it.

But you’re likely not going to get Lillard for expirings and picks because like what we’ve seen in the Harden or even the Lowry sweepstakes, GMs would make it a bid war.

Maybe Celts may even join the party.

Got the feeling players are deciding where they land the last years (AD, Harden, ...)

Why would Lillard want to go to Celtics (and Blazers take on Kemba), Toronto (not the play-offs), Pelicans (not in the play-offs), ...

But Lakers would go after him hard I guess

[76ciology]

Yeah. Expirings and picks for Lillard. In a box, yes.

Then some team will make it a bid war.
Pels can offer Lonzo and the bazillion of picks they have for Lillard.

Raps can trade FVV and picks to pair Lillard and Siakam.

Like sure if you can get expirings and picks for Ben, do it.

But you’re likely not going to get Lillard for expirings and picks because like what we’ve seen in the Harden or even the Lowry sweepstakes, GMs would make it a bid war.

Maybe Celts may even join the party.

Got the feeling players are deciding where they land the last years (AD, Harden, ...)

Why would Lillard want to go to Celtics (and Blazers take on Kemba), Toronto (not the play-offs), Pelicans (not in the play-offs), ...

But Lakers would go after him hard I guess

Sorry but that’s a bit bias.

Dame with the Celts will be a title contender.
Dame with the Raps will be a title contender.
Dame with the Pels is a 2nd round playoff team.

Teams will overpay for Dame. We didnt expect Nets will go that Harden for Harden.

Who knows.. maybe Bucks offers Middleton and picks for Dame. That proposal was one of the offers being thrown around.

Maybe heat trades Herro and Bam for Dame and Nurkic.

Maybe Clips trades PG for Dame.

Its gonna be a bid war. Even Lowry ended up being a bid war that Raps ended up not doing the deal because teams were not giving them decent offers.

If their GM trades dame for picks and expiring over other teams will a lot better offers, that would be a career suicide

[LloydFree]

Yeah. Expirings and picks for Lillard. In a box, yes.

Then some team will make it a bid war.
Pels can offer Lonzo and the bazillion of picks they have for Lillard.

Raps can trade FVV and picks to pair Lillard and Siakam.

Like sure if you can get expirings and picks for Ben, do it.

But you’re likely not going to get Lillard for expirings and picks because like what we’ve seen in the Harden or even the Lowry sweepstakes, GMs would make it a bid war.

Maybe Celts may even join the party.

Pels can't offer Lonzo Ball. He's a Restricted Free agent. He has to want to sign with Portland. He's not signing with them when he's going to get a near MAX offer in either New York or Chicago.

[Wilfried]

Sorry but that’s a bit bias.

Dame with the Celts will be a title contender.
Dame with the Raps will be a title contender.
Dame with the Pels is a 2nd round playoff team.

Teams will overpay for Dame. We didnt expect Nets will go that Harden for Harden.

Who knows.. maybe Bucks offers Middleton and picks for Dame. That proposal was one of the offers being thrown around.

Maybe heat trades Herro and Bam for Dame and Nurkic.

Maybe Clips trades PG for Dame.

Its gonna be a bid war. Even Lowry ended up being a bid war that Raps ended up not doing the deal because teams were not giving them decent offers.

If their GM trades dame for picks and expiring over other teams will a lot better offers, that would be a career suicide

Could be, but no way 1 Dame is making a (sub, in Toronto's case).500 team a title contender over night. He will make them better, but if Dame wants a trade, he wants to have 'championship security'. There will be 5 or 6 teams that can offer him that, Boston or Toronto won't be one of them (what could they offer that could match f.i. our bid and that does not weaken them?).

Denver is an interesting black horse if he would demand a trade, they can offer Jamal Murray and were already better than Portland without him

[XtremeDunkz]

I have zero interest in CJ. If we traded Tobi for him I think I'd throw up.

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