Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[Mik317]

...its not over.

Morey doesn't get lauded for anything until the trade is either made or Ben has his come to Jesus moment and the team takes the next step.

A lot of dumb **** can and probably will happen in the next few weeks...hell dude may just show up and "get hurt".

Personally I don't see any way Ben comes back to play...so much **** was slung whether its true or not..that is a lot to walk back.

[Sixerscan]

And how exactly does throwing his tantrum help him get traded. Or is he just so narrow-minded that not only does he not care about his current situation, but he's also willing to throw his potential future earnings away because he's that much of a liability and a headcase.

Because playing bad will put more pressure to the team into trading him than being out and would force Morey out of waiting.

If Ben doesn't come back Morey can wait patiently because the team playing bad is not a direct result of Ben not being there (You can always said pieces doesn't match ort whatever) so technically he's not forced to trade him. If Ben comes and plays bad on purpose, he's the the direct responsible of the team playing bad so it put more pressure into a trade.

This obviously is so blatant right now that i doubt it works, Klutch has botched this spectacularly.

If showing up puts more pressure on the team he probably should have showed up in the first place.

Whatever they are planning now may work, may not, either way it seems like they are grasping at straws.

[sixers hoops]

It is semantics

Also:

Delist player: Discard

Draft: A Chance

- Mulligan, Draft, Rebuy again, every year to infinity. Because draft, and draft picks.

Hmmmm I like the word mulligan I’ll use it.

To the hell with being wrong!

Where does it say they delisted a him? You’re making up stuff in a strange attempt to save face because you didn’t understand the definition of mulligan. Jaden Springer is a sixer and will continue to be a sixer. He will play in the g-league, but that doesn’t mean they got rid of him and are getting a redo.

I know what mulligan means

In the future when all three picks don’t do much

And get delisted I’ll call it a mulligan because every year you get another chance to draft players as a redo from the past year.

What do you mean by delisted?

When didn’t they do much? Are you referring to your projections of their performance? Or their summer league, training camp, preseason performance? I don’t think we expected these guys to contribute out of the gate.

I don’t really like our picks this year, but I am not qualified to have an opinion. However, have you given up on all of our rookies already?

[Tony Franciosa]

So Ben will be like Kyrie and won't be able to play in home games either lmao

[downtownpie]

And how exactly does throwing his tantrum help him get traded. Or is he just so narrow-minded that not only does he not care about his current situation, but he's also willing to throw his potential future earnings away because he's that much of a liability and a headcase.

Because playing bad will put more pressure to the team into trading him than being out and would force Morey out of waiting.

If Ben doesn't come back Morey can wait patiently because the team playing bad is not a direct result of Ben not being there (You can always said pieces doesn't match ort whatever) so technically he's not forced to trade him. If Ben comes and plays bad on purpose, he's the the direct responsible of the team playing bad so it put more pressure into a trade.

This obviously is so blatant right now that i doubt it works, Klutch has botched this spectacularly.

If showing up puts more pressure on the team he probably should have showed up in the first place.

Whatever they are planning now may work, may not, either way it seems like they are grasping at straws.

If he has been following Rich Paul's advice all along he needs to fire him.

[sixers hoops]

everyone who ripped Morey for his asks throughout this process and how this was handled can take a lap.

RP and Ben have their tails between their legs right now. This will be a slow integration back into the team, as RP/Ben now need to determine how best to handle holding this L and still looking cool in the process. From the teams side, maybe Michael Rubin slides Embiid a blank check/courtesy two weeks access to his yacht/private jet for next offseason in exchange for playing nice. And hopefully we look up in January/February and this deal is getting done, closer to Bens real value before he explosive diarrhea'd all over himself this entire offseason.

I don’t think Morey’s asking price is validated unless he actually gets a massive haul for Ben. Ben showing up at camp and playing regular season games doesn’t necessarily mean Morey is going to hit a home run when he trades Ben.

[Sixerscan]

everyone who ripped Morey for his asks throughout this process and how this was handled can take a lap.

RP and Ben have their tails between their legs right now. This will be a slow integration back into the team, as RP/Ben now need to determine how best to handle holding this L and still looking cool in the process. From the teams side, maybe Michael Rubin slides Embiid a blank check/courtesy two weeks access to his yacht/private jet for next offseason in exchange for playing nice. And hopefully we look up in January/February and this deal is getting done, closer to Bens real value before he explosive diarrhea'd all over himself this entire offseason.

I don’t think Morey’s asking price is validated unless he actually gets a massive haul for Ben. Ben showing up at camp and playing regular season games doesn’t necessarily mean Morey is going to hit a home run when he trades Ben.

The strategy behind Morey not backing off asking for a haul is that he's taking a calculated risk that the chance for actually getting a haul or Lillard or someone like that at some point is worth more than the risk of the current top offer getting lowered at some point.

Like what is more valuable, the 10% chance of Lillard becoming available or the 50% chance the Pacers will pull a first round pick from their offer if the trade doesn't happen this week (obviously I made these numbers up but that is likely the thinking).

[sixers hoops]

And how exactly does throwing his tantrum help him get traded. Or is he just so narrow-minded that not only does he not care about his current situation, but he's also willing to throw his potential future earnings away because he's that much of a liability and a headcase.

Because playing bad will put more pressure to the team into trading him than being out and would force Morey out of waiting.

If Ben doesn't come back Morey can wait patiently because the team playing bad is not a direct result of Ben not being there (You can always said pieces doesn't match ort whatever) so technically he's not forced to trade him. If Ben comes and plays bad on purpose, he's the the direct responsible of the team playing bad so it put more pressure into a trade.

This obviously is so blatant right now that i doubt it works, Klutch has botched this spectacularly.

If showing up puts more pressure on the team he probably should have showed up in the first place.

Whatever they are planning now may work, may not, either way it seems like they are grasping at straws.

It’s such a tenuous situation for both camps.

-Ben plays well enough to get traded, the Sixers could decide to keep him.

-Ben plays like crap, and the Sixers likely won’t trade him.

-Ben fakes an injury and the Sixers likely won’t trade him.

Ben’s best play might be to play his best ball, but at the same time continue to alienate the fans, organization, teammates, etc. I wouldn’t count on Morey trading him by the deadline in good faith.

And if Ben does play really well for a month or two, and still isn’t traded, then maybe start with the injuries.

If I were Klutch, I would say go out there and play your best. If your not traded by Jan 31, you will all-of-a-sudden have injuries that will prevent you from playing the rest of the year.

[Tomjas]

Smdh at people praising Morey because an under contract player might show up

That’s got to be the lowest KPI in the history of NBA GMs

[DCasey91]

Where does it say they delisted a him? You’re making up stuff in a strange attempt to save face because you didn’t understand the definition of mulligan. Jaden Springer is a sixer and will continue to be a sixer. He will play in the g-league, but that doesn’t mean they got rid of him and are getting a redo.

I know what mulligan means

In the future when all three picks don’t do much

And get delisted I’ll call it a mulligan because every year you get another chance to draft players as a redo from the past year.

What do you mean by delisted?

When didn’t they do much? Are you referring to your projections of their performance? Or their summer league, training camp, preseason performance? I don’t think we expected these guys to contribute out of the gate.

I don’t really like our picks this year, but I am not qualified to have an opinion. However, have you given up on all of our rookies already?

Oh delist means they get cut so to speak make way for new players in years time, not now but in the future.

To be honest I didn’t like the selection method put into practice.

If your superstar is a big, then drafting centers is out.

If you don’t have a backcourt then wings are out for now.

Essentially guards at the PG/SG spot that are more NBA ready/quality.

No harm in stocking up on multiples as by more chances to hit. Like logically speaking Embiid is at X age and has X window.

If you wanted a kid then go all in for highest end talent Jalen Green, if you wanted a ready to go guard then go more mature age Jared Butler, Springer doesn’t fall in either of the two spectrums.

In relation to a player like Cooper he at least has elite skill (passing/floor capabilities) in some capacity.

It maybe outcome related and results driven but it’s been a consistent pattern of picks over the years for us that we select more narrow dimensional wise (low ceiling) players that have actually (low floors) as well. We are also poor developers of talent/skill.

So instead of getting raw/unpolished/zero or one NBA direct transfers do it on multiple skills (I.E great shooter + great defender instead of great defender only) or the old fashioned need to be good at two things at all times to be on the floor and not a liability.

[sixers hoops]

everyone who ripped Morey for his asks throughout this process and how this was handled can take a lap.

RP and Ben have their tails between their legs right now. This will be a slow integration back into the team, as RP/Ben now need to determine how best to handle holding this L and still looking cool in the process. From the teams side, maybe Michael Rubin slides Embiid a blank check/courtesy two weeks access to his yacht/private jet for next offseason in exchange for playing nice. And hopefully we look up in January/February and this deal is getting done, closer to Bens real value before he explosive diarrhea'd all over himself this entire offseason.

I don’t think Morey’s asking price is validated unless he actually gets a massive haul for Ben. Ben showing up at camp and playing regular season games doesn’t necessarily mean Morey is going to hit a home run when he trades Ben.

The strategy behind Morey not backing off asking for a haul is that he's taking a calculated risk that the chance for actually getting a haul or Lillard or someone like that is worth more than the risk of the current top offer getting lowered.

Like what is more valuable, the 10% chance of Lillard becoming available or the 50% chance the Pacers will pull a first round pick from their offer if the trade doesn't happen this week (obviously I made these numbers up but that is likely the thinking).

Good point. I am just not optimistic they get much in return either way. I feel like there is less than a 1% chance they end up with Lillard, Beal, Shai, Fox, Lavine, and even Edwards, or any other premium piece. That being the case, I’d rather take Caris, Brogdan, and a first and move on.


But the way you presented the two different approaches makes a ton of sense.

[eyeatoma]

Read on Twitter

LMAO, best part is that George's boss looks a little like Morey.

[Sixerscan]

Because playing bad will put more pressure to the team into trading him than being out and would force Morey out of waiting.

If Ben doesn't come back Morey can wait patiently because the team playing bad is not a direct result of Ben not being there (You can always said pieces doesn't match ort whatever) so technically he's not forced to trade him. If Ben comes and plays bad on purpose, he's the the direct responsible of the team playing bad so it put more pressure into a trade.

This obviously is so blatant right now that i doubt it works, Klutch has botched this spectacularly.

If showing up puts more pressure on the team he probably should have showed up in the first place.

Whatever they are planning now may work, may not, either way it seems like they are grasping at straws.

It’s such a tenuous situation for both camps.

-Ben plays well enough to get traded, the Sixers could decide to keep him.

-Ben plays like crap, and the Sixers likely won’t trade him.

-Ben fakes an injury and the Sixers likely won’t trade him.

Ben’s best play might be to play his best ball, but at the same time continue to alienate the fans, organization, teammates, etc. I wouldn’t count on Morey trading him by the deadline in good faith.

And if Ben does play really well for a month or two, and still isn’t traded, then maybe start with the injuries.

If I were Klutch, I would say go out there and play your best. If your not traded by Jan 31, you will all-of-a-sudden have injuries that will prevent you from playing the rest of the year.

It's a tough position because the central concept here is that demanding a trade from a 1 seed that is coming off disappointing in the playoffs in large part because you played the worst basketball of your life is a very irrational thing to do. He's just believed his own alternative facts for months and now that reality is setting in he is in scramble mode.

[sixers hoops]

I know what mulligan means

In the future when all three picks don’t do much

And get delisted I’ll call it a mulligan because every year you get another chance to draft players as a redo from the past year.

What do you mean by delisted?

When didn’t they do much? Are you referring to your projections of their performance? Or their summer league, training camp, preseason performance? I don’t think we expected these guys to contribute out of the gate.

I don’t really like our picks this year, but I am not qualified to have an opinion. However, have you given up on all of our rookies already?

Oh delist means they get cut so to speak make way for new players in years time, not now but in the future.

To be honest I didn’t like the selection method put into practice.

If your superstar is a big, then drafting centers is out.

If you don’t have a backcourt then wings are out for now.

Essentially guards at the PG/SG spot that are more NBA ready/quality.

No harm in stocking up on multiples as by more chances to hit. Like logically speaking Embiid is at X age and has X window.

If you wanted a kid then go all in for highest end talent Jalen Green, if you wanted a ready to go guard then go more mature age Jared Butler, Springer doesn’t fall in either of the two spectrums.

In relation to a player like Cooper he at least has elite skill (passing/floor capabilities) in some capacity.

Catch my drift?

Makes sense. I watch so little college ball, I don’t know the players anyway.

Honestly, the first time I heard the name Thybulle was when we were rumored to have a deal for him, same with Joe. I saw Maxey play in college once or twice. Springer, Shameet, Shake, Reed, I had to google when we drafted them.

For me, I generally would rather take guys that can shoot. Defenders like Zhaire and Springer, you can get in the g-league anyway. And they struggle to stay on the court.

You take a Shameet, Shake, or Joe, and teach them passable defense, you have a rotational guy.

[Sixerscan]

I know what mulligan means

In the future when all three picks don’t do much

And get delisted I’ll call it a mulligan because every year you get another chance to draft players as a redo from the past year.

What do you mean by delisted?

When didn’t they do much? Are you referring to your projections of their performance? Or their summer league, training camp, preseason performance? I don’t think we expected these guys to contribute out of the gate.

I don’t really like our picks this year, but I am not qualified to have an opinion. However, have you given up on all of our rookies already?

Oh delist means they get cut so to speak make way for new players in years time, not now but in the future.

To be honest I didn’t like the selection method put into practice.

If your superstar is a big, then drafting centers is out.

If you don’t have a backcourt then wings are out for now.

Essentially guards at the PG/SG spot that are more NBA ready/quality.

No harm in stocking up on multiples as by more chances to hit. Like logically speaking Embiid is at X age and has X window.

If you wanted a kid then go all in for highest end talent Jalen Green, if you wanted a ready to go guard then go more mature age Jared Butler, Springer doesn’t fall in either of the two spectrums.

In relation to a player like Cooper he at least has elite skill (passing/floor capabilities) in some capacity.

It maybe outcome related and results driven but it’s been a consistent pattern of picks over the years for us that we select more narrow dimensional wise (low ceiling) players that have actually (low floors) as well. We are also poor developers of talent/skill.

So instead of getting raw/unpolished/zero or one NBA direct transfers do it on multiple skills (I.E great shooter + great defender instead of great defender only) or the old fashioned need to be good at two things at all times to be on the floor and not a liability.

Why are you bringing up a guy that was taken #2 in the draft for a team that was picking 28?

Have you ever seen any of these guys play in person? I get the method idea but how people are so certain about a bunch of 20 year olds is beyond me.

[zimpy27]

This feels risky to me.. What if he does a serious injury while playing? Philly trash 2 seasons of prime Embiid?

I get that you need to maximize the Simmons trade but this is a gamble. Trying to work out the worst outcomes and best outcomes from this. Feels like there are more options for it to be bad than good.

[sixers hoops]

Read on Twitter

LMAO, best part is this boss looks a little like Morey.

That’s gold

[jbent87]

I don’t think Morey’s asking price is validated unless he actually gets a massive haul for Ben. Ben showing up at camp and playing regular season games doesn’t necessarily mean Morey is going to hit a home run when he trades Ben.

The strategy behind Morey not backing off asking for a haul is that he's taking a calculated risk that the chance for actually getting a haul or Lillard or someone like that is worth more than the risk of the current top offer getting lowered.

Like what is more valuable, the 10% chance of Lillard becoming available or the 50% chance the Pacers will pull a first round pick from their offer if the trade doesn't happen this week (obviously I made these numbers up but that is likely the thinking).

Good point. I am just not optimistic they get much in return either way. I feel like there is less than a 1% chance they end up with Lillard, Beal, Shai, Fox, Lavine, and even Edwards, or any other premium piece. That being the case, I’d rather take Caris, Brogdan, and a first and move on.


But the way you presented the two different approaches makes a ton of sense.

I don't think they get one of those big names either, btw. But once games start happening, some players get injured and opposing GMs get a feel for where they're at and if they're short one piece to put them over the top, some of those elements could turn into a catalyst for a trade. And suddenly the "Morey is asking for four 1st rd picks LOL" doesn't sound so crazy. Fanbases are going to want to win and Ben can still help a team do that, a regular season team he absolutely can, at least.

What does todays GM care about their 1st rd pick in 2027 and pick swaps in 2026 and 2028? They don't, and those additions that they weren't willing to commit to earlier this offseason, because of the perceived lack of leverage Morey had due to Rich Pauls egregious and fraudulent "we're never playing another game in Philly" claims, they now will, as RP and Ben are back in PHI, with 4 years remaining.

[Murray_17]

If showing up puts more pressure on the team he probably should have showed up in the first place.

Whatever they are planning now may work, may not, either way it seems like they are grasping at straws.

I mean, totally. That is what players normally do after demanding a trade.

Ben and/or Klutch totally misread their situation, specially considering he isn't an expiring

[sixers hoops]

If showing up puts more pressure on the team he probably should have showed up in the first place.

Whatever they are planning now may work, may not, either way it seems like they are grasping at straws.

It’s such a tenuous situation for both camps.

-Ben plays well enough to get traded, the Sixers could decide to keep him.

-Ben plays like crap, and the Sixers likely won’t trade him.

-Ben fakes an injury and the Sixers likely won’t trade him.

Ben’s best play might be to play his best ball, but at the same time continue to alienate the fans, organization, teammates, etc. I wouldn’t count on Morey trading him by the deadline in good faith.

And if Ben does play really well for a month or two, and still isn’t traded, then maybe start with the injuries.

If I were Klutch, I would say go out there and play your best. If your not traded by Jan 31, you will all-of-a-sudden have injuries that will prevent you from playing the rest of the year.

It's a tough position because the central concept here is that demanding a trade from a 1 seed that is coming off disappointing in the playoffs in large part because you played the worst basketball of your life is a very irrational thing to do. He's just believed his own alternative facts for months and now that reality is setting in he is in scramble mode.

Yep. It’s usually years of inept management, constant losing, or lack of a contract. It’s rare that a guy plays horrible, gets embarrassed, and demands a trade.

The biggest indicator of the lack of clarity regarding the real reason he wanted a trade, was his fake anger at Doc and Joel. You watch how Jordan berated teammates, and we are supposed to believe that Ben is so incredibly soft that he wants to be traded because Joel called Ben’s play a turning point, and Doc said he can’t answer the question about Ben being a starting point on a championship team right now. If those soft comments caused Ben to want to be traded, it is a lot more telling about Ben than the other two.

In reality, Ben’s desire to be traded is simply to place blame for his horrible play on the Sixers, and run from it.