Embiid Updates/Discussion

[ryst]

If he's not hanging out in the Caribbean or somewhere 1,000 miles from a reporter the Sixers are messing up

Why? He isn't crippled. He can stand in a uniform. He better be there and ready to say if he's not ready by training camp then something is wrong lol. I want him there and ready to talk. Stop hiding. He's not even tweeting anymore.

Nope. He shouldn't be talking to media if he has anything over than good news. Training camp is 3 months away, deal with it then.

I don't know and don't care about the media but I think most fans would like to hear Embiid and the team talk about what going
be honest with season ticket holders
this are the same owners who make fools from us in the Bynum fiasco
the fans if this team who root for and spend money deserve answers

[Sixerscan]

Why? He isn't crippled. He can stand in a uniform. He better be there and ready to say if he's not ready by training camp then something is wrong lol. I want him there and ready to talk. Stop hiding. He's not even tweeting anymore.

Nope. He shouldn't be talking to media if he has anything over than good news. Training camp is 3 months away, deal with it then.

I don't know and don't care about the media but I think most fans would like to hear Embiid and the team talk about what going
be honest with season ticket holders
this are the same owners who make fools from us in the Bynum fiasco
the fans if this team who root for and spend money deserve answers

Well I think the Sixers honestly don't know one way or the other. Still a waiting game. Personally I would love if someone took the mike and explained explicitly to all the fans what is going on.

But as someone who hopes the Sixers deal with things properly, they should keep him quiet until they know exactly what is going on. Which unfortunately probably isn't true right now due to Jo's mysterious injuries.

[LloydFree]

Man, Tobias Harris would be a hell of an edition!

I don't think Tobias Harris would be that much of an upgrade over Robert Covington, and Harris will cost at least 12X as much.

[Mik317]

Harris can play some 4 in a small ball lineup with Noel tho

[Sixerant226]

It would not surprise me one bit if we didn't get an injury update until draft is concluded.

[Ericb5]

It would not surprise me one bit if we didn't get an injury update until draft is concluded.

I agree. It is in the team's best interests right now for other teams to think that we are screwed.




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[Kobblehead]

All in all, the word "setback" is used irresponsibly by those who first reported this. The implication that comes from that word is a re-injury.

[Ericb5]

All in all, the word "setback" is used irresponsibly by those who first reported this. The implication that comes from that word is a re-injury.

Absolutely.

From what we know already, I think that this is more likely just a missed milestone.

I doubt that they saw something in this scan that wasn't in the last scan. I think that they just expected his foot to be at a certain stage of healing by this time, and it isn't there yet.

The foot is obviously in good enough condition for the doctor to ok his ramped up activity levels over the last few months.

It is the unknown of course that has us freaked out since there is so much riding on Embiid's health.

The cost of slowing down his activity is really low right now too, and maybe that is part of it. If he misses summer league then he misses it. It is more important to get him ready for the season.


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[51X3RF4N]

All in all, the word "setback" is used irresponsibly by those who first reported this. The implication that comes from that word is a re-injury.

Absolutely.

From what we know already, I think that this is more likely just a missed milestone.

I doubt that they saw something in this scan that wasn't in the last scan. I think that they just expected his foot to be at a certain stage of healing by this time, and it isn't there yet.

The foot is obviously in good enough condition for the doctor to ok his ramped up activity levels over the last few months.

It is the unknown of course that has us freaked out since there is so much riding on Embiid's health.

The cost of slowing down his activity is really low right now too, and maybe that is part of it. If he misses summer league then he misses it. It is more important to get him ready for the season.


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Agreed. It's not healing as fast as they'd prefer, although it is healing and he was able to ramp up workouts with no pain. They are being extremely cautious so he doesn't turn into a player who has a solid year or 2 and then deals with chronic pain the rest of his career. I applaud the Sixers front office for having the patience to do this the right way. Slowing down his workouts in order to give him more rest, and allow his body to heal up at the rate the doctor's prefer, does not mean Embiid won't play all season. Maybe he is put on a minute count, or only plays 2 games out of every 10. Either way, easing him along now so he has a long, productive, pain free career is better than pushing him out there full time now and then ruining the future for him.

[BullyKing]

All in all, the word "setback" is used irresponsibly by those who first reported this. The implication that comes from that word is a re-injury.

Absolutely.

From what we know already, I think that this is more likely just a missed milestone.

I doubt that they saw something in this scan that wasn't in the last scan. I think that they just expected his foot to be at a certain stage of healing by this time, and it isn't there yet.

The foot is obviously in good enough condition for the doctor to ok his ramped up activity levels over the last few months.

It is the unknown of course that has us freaked out since there is so much riding on Embiid's health.

The cost of slowing down his activity is really low right now too, and maybe that is part of it. If he misses summer league then he misses it. It is more important to get him ready for the season.


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Agreed. It's not healing as fast as they'd prefer, although it is healing and he was able to ramp up workouts with no pain. They are being extremely cautious so he doesn't turn into a player who has a solid year or 2 and then deals with chronic pain the rest of his career. I applaud the Sixers front office for having the patience to do this the right way. Slowing down his workouts in order to give him more rest, and allow his body to heal up at the rate the doctor's prefer, does not mean Embiid won't play all season. Maybe he is put on a minute count, or only plays 2 games out of every 10. Either way, easing him along now so he has a long, productive, pain free career is better than pushing him out there full time now and then ruining the future for him.

That's probably right but it's difficult to understand what could not be fully healed after a year that will be with more rest. It's not like the issue is that he hasn't built up sufficient muscle on that leg yet since that's not what a CT scan would show. So we're either talking about bone calcification or tissue regrowth - disclaimer not a doctor - but its tough to understand how they could not yet be fully healed if they were going to heal.

[Ericb5]

Absolutely.

From what we know already, I think that this is more likely just a missed milestone.

I doubt that they saw something in this scan that wasn't in the last scan. I think that they just expected his foot to be at a certain stage of healing by this time, and it isn't there yet.

The foot is obviously in good enough condition for the doctor to ok his ramped up activity levels over the last few months.

It is the unknown of course that has us freaked out since there is so much riding on Embiid's health.

The cost of slowing down his activity is really low right now too, and maybe that is part of it. If he misses summer league then he misses it. It is more important to get him ready for the season.


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Agreed. It's not healing as fast as they'd prefer, although it is healing and he was able to ramp up workouts with no pain. They are being extremely cautious so he doesn't turn into a player who has a solid year or 2 and then deals with chronic pain the rest of his career. I applaud the Sixers front office for having the patience to do this the right way. Slowing down his workouts in order to give him more rest, and allow his body to heal up at the rate the doctor's prefer, does not mean Embiid won't play all season. Maybe he is put on a minute count, or only plays 2 games out of every 10. Either way, easing him along now so he has a long, productive, pain free career is better than pushing him out there full time now and then ruining the future for him.

That's probably right but it's difficult to understand what could not be fully healed after a year that will be with more rest. It's not like the issue is that he hasn't built up sufficient muscle on that leg yet since that's not what a CT scan would show. So we're either talking about bone calcification or tissue regrowth - disclaimer not a doctor - but its tough to understand how they could not yet be fully healed if they were going to heal.

Well remember that he hasn't been resting over the last 4/5 months. So perhaps taking it slower will be good for him.

Plus, I have read in a few places that injuries of this nature still make progress on scans for 2 years. So "fully healed" is something different than "healed enough to return to full activity".

He may be healed enough to return to full activity, but his bone IS still healing, and given how conservative the Sixers are, and then fact that the season is still 4 months away, there is no reason to push things.

I trust the Sixers and their handling of injuries completely. They handled Noel exactly correctly with terrific results, even though a lot of people thought that they were too cautious with him too.




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[Agnostifarian]

Before the Embiid injury report, conventional wisdom had the 76ers picking a PG or wing. Now, it looks like Philly only has Nerlens in the middle and Sam Hinkie could go in almost any direction. We sure as hell aren't just choosing between Muiday and Russell, if that was ever the case.

I think only KAT is a tier one player. Okafor has his defensive deficiency & FT shooting; Muiday has his outside shooting & FT shooting problems; Russell is an average athlete who may struggle on D; Porzingas is thin, sketchy as a rebounder and never had an assist; Hezonja, Winslow, ... these guys have scouted weaknesses.

My intuition says that Hinkie will trade down a few spots and collect more assets. I think Hinkie ends up with a player(s) who maximize the following:

1) makes at the rim
2) makes from 3PT line
3) Stops at the rim
4) stops at the 3 PT line

If you take away Embiid, this team's only identity is Noel's defense and Covington and Thompson's 3 PT shooting, as depressing as that is. IMO, a trade up for KAT is just as unlikely as successfully signing Butler or Leonard as RFAs.

At this point, I'm hoping we trade down from #3 and end up with Muiday (KAT, Okafor, Russell, Porzingas go top 4) and one of theses guys: Winslow, Hezonja, Booker, StanJo...

I might even be happy with Elfrid Payton & Hezonja or Winslow for #3, if Sam swings a deal with ORL.

I think Sam will emphasize the efficient shooting and especially, DEFENSE. It comes every night.

[wickedwrister]

It would not surprise me one bit if we didn't get an injury update until draft is concluded.

I agree. It is in the team's best interests right now for other teams to think that we are screwed.

We probably won't get an update until its time to announce summer league lineup and whether or not Embiid will be there and if the answer to that is no then its likely the next one will come either at training camp (hopefully) or earlier if there is a new procedure scheduled (hopefully not)

[Agnostifarian]

Sorry, I meant to put that draft thread... I'll copy it over there..

[BullyKing]

Agreed. It's not healing as fast as they'd prefer, although it is healing and he was able to ramp up workouts with no pain. They are being extremely cautious so he doesn't turn into a player who has a solid year or 2 and then deals with chronic pain the rest of his career. I applaud the Sixers front office for having the patience to do this the right way. Slowing down his workouts in order to give him more rest, and allow his body to heal up at the rate the doctor's prefer, does not mean Embiid won't play all season. Maybe he is put on a minute count, or only plays 2 games out of every 10. Either way, easing him along now so he has a long, productive, pain free career is better than pushing him out there full time now and then ruining the future for him.

That's probably right but it's difficult to understand what could not be fully healed after a year that will be with more rest. It's not like the issue is that he hasn't built up sufficient muscle on that leg yet since that's not what a CT scan would show. So we're either talking about bone calcification or tissue regrowth - disclaimer not a doctor - but its tough to understand how they could not yet be fully healed if they were going to heal.

Well remember that he hasn't been resting over the last 4/5 months. So perhaps taking it slower will be good for him.

Plus, I have read in a few places that injuries of this nature still make progress on scans for 2 years. So "fully healed" is something different than "healed enough to return to full activity".

He may be healed enough to return to full activity, but his bone IS still healing, and given how conservative the Sixers are, and then fact that the season is still 4 months away, there is no reason to push things.

I trust the Sixers and their handling of injuries completely. They handled Noel exactly correctly with terrific results, even though a lot of people thought that they were too cautious with him too.




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That's certainly possible and reasonable. The thing that cuts against that optimistic view is the vagueness of the Sixers press release. That said, I understand the benefit for the Sixers in being vague anyway given the uncertainty it creates before the draft and softening the PR blow for holding him out of summer league. Before, everyone would be real upset if he doesn't play in the summer league but now we would all be celebrating if they said he's fine, they just want to take it easy so he's not going to play until the preseason.

[Ericb5]

That's probably right but it's difficult to understand what could not be fully healed after a year that will be with more rest. It's not like the issue is that he hasn't built up sufficient muscle on that leg yet since that's not what a CT scan would show. So we're either talking about bone calcification or tissue regrowth - disclaimer not a doctor - but its tough to understand how they could not yet be fully healed if they were going to heal.

Well remember that he hasn't been resting over the last 4/5 months. So perhaps taking it slower will be good for him.

Plus, I have read in a few places that injuries of this nature still make progress on scans for 2 years. So "fully healed" is something different than "healed enough to return to full activity".

He may be healed enough to return to full activity, but his bone IS still healing, and given how conservative the Sixers are, and then fact that the season is still 4 months away, there is no reason to push things.

I trust the Sixers and their handling of injuries completely. They handled Noel exactly correctly with terrific results, even though a lot of people thought that they were too cautious with him too.




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That's certainly possible and reasonable. The thing that cuts against that optimistic view is the vagueness of the Sixers press release. That said, I understand the benefit for the Sixers in being vague anyway given the uncertainty it creates before the draft and softening the PR blow for holding him out of summer league. Before, everyone would be real upset if he doesn't play in the summer league but now we would all be celebrating if they said he's fine, they just want to take it easy so he's not going to play until the preseason.

I think that Hinkie probably would have said nothing had the story not gotten out. Once it was coming out he wanted to acknowledge it, while giving the minimum amount of information out that was still all true.

We, as fans at least, don't really know how serious it is, and that is to his advantage going into the draft. It could be horrible in reality, or it could be as benign as what I posted above.

Regardless, I wouldn't expect an official update until after the draft.

[ankle420breaker]

I don't see Hinkie talking to the media until draft day, at which point I'm sure he'll need to address Embiid's status in more detail. Still doesn't change that Jo Jo's situation is such an unknown. I doubt that they'll be able to provide an accurate depiction on when he'll be ready to play.

[Skates]

The break/repair is slower than expected in fully healing, unless they decide more surgery is required I doubt we get much in the way of a big announcement, something more like an update to his rehab schedule.

I really wonder if this is just a product of a huge guy with a not yet fully developed skeletal system taking extra time to grow and heal, or that same guy with a chronically fragile skeletal system relative to his size.

[LongLiveHinkie]

All in all, the word "setback" is used irresponsibly by those who first reported this. The implication that comes from that word is a re-injury.

I thought so at first, but it could just mean setback in his recovery process.

[Sixerscan]

I don't see Hinkie talking to the media until draft day, at which point I'm sure he'll need to address Embiid's status in more detail. Still doesn't change that Jo Jo's situation is such an unknown. I doubt that they'll be able to provide an accurate depiction on when he'll be ready to play.

Whoever is at the uniform thing tomorrow is going to be asked about it. They probably won't be able to give any details, but they at least better be ready with some sort of comment.