Jeff Teague for Nerlens Noel discussed, not imminent

[Chamberlainship]

LOL. So the polls of hundreds of people are wrong because you talked to a few dudes and admittedly led them towards your opinion.

You and your fellow Hinkie haters are a MINORITY of the fanbase. The MAJORITY of the fanbase was fully on board with "The Process".

I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks that Hinkie "failed at team-building" while he was here. He was DELAYING "team-building" until he acquired superstar talent and/or a multitude of assets that can be parlayed into superstar talent. Because if you prematurely "team-build", your chance of acquiring superstar talent goes WAY DOWN. Then you get STUCK in mediocrity.

Anyone with two functioning brain cells can see the amazing position we are in now because of Hinkie.

Do you put a lot of faith in fan polls on philly.com?

I'm not going to do my own polling, so I kinda have to rely on what I see and hear in the community here in the Philadelphia area. What I heard was a lot of laughter whenever the Sixers were brought up.

if you don't belive me, do you believe the owner of the sixers? Don't you think he has some sort of fan-interest metrics he uses before making decisions about management?

Amazing position? We just finished the worst three years in NBA history. I love the summer time. The sixers always seem to be in an amazing positon in the summer. Fall, Winter, and Spring, not so much.

[Mik317]

If we want to blame our offense on one thing - turnovers.

which often came due to guys forcing things to the rim or overpassing, instead of just taking open shots

[Chamberlainship]

looking at Derek's bar graph, it seems almost half of NBA point guards have their best season AFTER they turn 27. when you throw in injuries, and other attrition, that's pretty remarkable. not the point he's trying to make, but when you dig into stats with varying motivation, all sorts of different angles can pop out.

?

~66% of point guards have their best season at 27 or younger, according to the graph. (6% at 23, 12% at 24, 16% at 25, 19% at 26, 13% at 27)

Yeah, but Teague 's not your normal point guard. He's got recurring ankle instability!!!

[spikeslovechild]

looking at Derek's bar graph, it seems almost half of NBA point guards have their best season AFTER they turn 27. when you throw in injuries, and other attrition, that's pretty remarkable. not the point he's trying to make, but when you dig into stats with varying motivation, all sorts of different angles can pop out.

?

~66% of point guards have their best season at 27 or younger, according to the graph. (6% at 23, 12% at 24, 16% at 25, 19% at 26, 13% at 27)

Yeah, but Teague 's not your normal point guard. He's got recurring ankle instability!!!

With all due respect to Brodner. I respect the other data more. The other individual used the data from all basketball players and found their golden age according to OWS was upto 28. Afterwards, they started to decline. Not every player is the same but we are talking on average.

Even if most of the data matches up I don't really like the idea of using a players best season.

[rzzzzz]

Yeah, but Teague 's not your normal point guard. He's got recurring ankle instability!!!

ah, a "basketball man".

[CoreyGallagher]

If we want to blame our offense on one thing - turnovers.

which often came due to guys forcing things to the rim or overpassing, instead of just taking open shots

Believe not having a PG (or bad PG's in previous seasons) and were among the least talented teams ever had more to do with it.

[Kobblehead]

If I'm low on talent, I'm going to allow them to score the easiest way possible (hitting open shots when they have them). I'm not going to ask them score in such specific ways (get to the rim or take a few steps back and shoot a three).

[F-Stop]

This is possibly a smokescreen to ferret out who really wants Noel like Pho, Pels..

[Sportfan73]

looking at Derek's bar graph, it seems almost half of NBA point guards have their best season AFTER they turn 27. when you throw in injuries, and other attrition, that's pretty remarkable. not the point he's trying to make, but when you dig into stats with varying motivation, all sorts of different angles can pop out.

?

~66% of point guards have their best season at 27 or younger, according to the graph. (6% at 23, 12% at 24, 16% at 25, 19% at 26, 13% at 27)

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2016/6/4/11856520/jeff-teague-trade-kicker-salary-cap-atlanta-hawks?_ga=1.42595047.377536139.1439804783 is this something that we could actually pull off? Makes a lot more sense. Ned at work possibly?

[rzzzzz]

any old veteran point guards we can rent for cheaps for a year or so?

[Sportfan73]

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2016/6/4/11856520/jeff-teague-trade-kicker-salary-cap-atlanta-hawks?_ga=1.42595047.377536139.1439804783

Would you trade noel for Teague on a 26, 18, 18 ,18 deal? Teague at 18 with the cap going up looks great for next summer

[CoreyGallagher]

If I'm low on talent, I'm going to allow them to score the easiest way possible (hitting open shots when they have them). I'm not going to ask them score in such specific ways (get to the rim or take a few steps back and shoot a three).

Still took 15 mid range shots a game, it's not as if we didn't shoot them, just not a lot - contrast that to 11 that the Rockets take. Also, we did get open looks, we took the 20th most open shots in the league (0.1 attempts behind 18th/19th). We weren't as bad as most expect shooting 3's or even finishing in the restricted area, where we struggled most shooting was actually making the mid range shots that we did take and a few steps inside of that in the paint outside of the restricted area, close range.

[Sixerscan]

LOL. So the polls of hundreds of people are wrong because you talked to a few dudes and admittedly led them towards your opinion.

You and your fellow Hinkie haters are a MINORITY of the fanbase. The MAJORITY of the fanbase was fully on board with "The Process".

I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks that Hinkie "failed at team-building" while he was here. He was DELAYING "team-building" until he acquired superstar talent and/or a multitude of assets that can be parlayed into superstar talent. Because if you prematurely "team-build", your chance of acquiring superstar talent goes WAY DOWN. Then you get STUCK in mediocrity.

Anyone with two functioning brain cells can see the amazing position we are in now because of Hinkie.

Do you put a lot of faith in fan polls on philly.com?

I'm not going to do my own polling, so I kinda have to rely on what I see and hear in the community here in the Philadelphia area. What I heard was a lot of laughter whenever the Sixers were brought up.

if you don't belive me, do you believe the owner of the sixers? Don't you think he has some sort of fan-interest metrics he uses before making decisions about management?

Amazing position? We just finished the worst three years in NBA history. I love the summer time. The sixers always seem to be in an amazing positon in the summer. Fall, Winter, and Spring, not so much.

It's kind of tough to gauge because presumably a lot of the people that Hinkie pissed off probably stopped following the team because of that. Do those people "count"? They probably should. But I don't know how much of them are "anti process" as much as "anti following a team that loses 85% of their games"

Certainly the sponsors and the companies that buy club boxes hated it.

I think it's safe to say he's a fairly polarizing figure. That lottery party had a lot of people at it. The Ricky Podcast has been top 30 or whatever Sports Podcast on iTunes. It's weird that something like that could have gotten more successful while a team was so crappy. I'm not sure if that sort of stuff would be possible if everyone hated the guy, the process etc. It's not just us weirdos on the internet.

[Kobblehead]

At the end of the day, the whole "treadmill walkers vs. process trusters" thing was just a gen x vs. millennial thing. No one can convince me otherwise.

[spikeslovechild]

Sigh it isn't treadmill versus process. It's acquiring elite level talent. You have two ways of getting it either free agency or the draft.

Everynow and then someone comes available via trade but it's not often enough that you can build a strategy around it. The thing is in order to get those FA you need capspace so you are going to be bad anyways. Hinkie thought you might as well collect some assets along the way and make yourself attractive to free agents

Even to be treadmill (fringe playoff team) you still need that one star in the east and a decent supporting cast. It doesn't have to be Lebron but it needs to be Isiah, what Bosh was with the raptors, Paul George. Then you need at least two more star players to take a run at a championship.

When people talk about treadmill that doesn't necessarily mean sign a bunch of mediocre veterans. It means being just good enough not get a high pick. You can create this issue just as well by poor draft decision making and drafting for need. Like what BC did with the raptors. Had he selected LMA instead of Bargs or Drummond instead of Ross the entire outlook would have been different.

[Arsenal]

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2016/6/4/11856520/jeff-teague-trade-kicker-salary-cap-atlanta-hawks?_ga=1.42595047.377536139.1439804783

Would you trade noel for Teague on a 26, 18, 18 ,18 deal? Teague at 18 with the cap going up looks great for next summer

It needs to be a bit less though, something like:

2016-2017: $26M
2017-2018: $16M
2018-2019: $15M
2019-2020: $14M
Total over next 4 years: $71M (avg. $17.75M/yr)

versus say he got $21M/yr on a new deal as a FA (3 yrs $63M total), then he'd be looking at:

2016-2017: $8M (last year of his current contract)
2017-2018: $21M
2018-2019: $21M
2019-2020: $21M
Total over next 4 years: $71M (avg. $17.75M/yr)

By taking the front-loaded extension with us now, he avoids the risk of injury or decline. He also forgoes a shot at getting a contract starting at $30M/yr in 2017 offseason. Basically he is taking less risk for less reward.

Something like this is the ONLY way this deal makes any sense. It would also help us spend to the cap floor this season, which is around $83M based on a $92M cap. Right now we're only around $30M (before the cost of Simmons, Saric, #24 and #26, which I assume would add around $10M more to take us up to around $40M).

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/philadelphia-76ers/yearly/cap/

[Chamberlainship]

LOL. So the polls of hundreds of people are wrong because you talked to a few dudes and admittedly led them towards your opinion.

You and your fellow Hinkie haters are a MINORITY of the fanbase. The MAJORITY of the fanbase was fully on board with "The Process".

I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks that Hinkie "failed at team-building" while he was here. He was DELAYING "team-building" until he acquired superstar talent and/or a multitude of assets that can be parlayed into superstar talent. Because if you prematurely "team-build", your chance of acquiring superstar talent goes WAY DOWN. Then you get STUCK in mediocrity.

Anyone with two functioning brain cells can see the amazing position we are in now because of Hinkie.

Do you put a lot of faith in fan polls on philly.com?

I'm not going to do my own polling, so I kinda have to rely on what I see and hear in the community here in the Philadelphia area. What I heard was a lot of laughter whenever the Sixers were brought up.

if you don't belive me, do you believe the owner of the sixers? Don't you think he has some sort of fan-interest metrics he uses before making decisions about management?

Amazing position? We just finished the worst three years in NBA history. I love the summer time. The sixers always seem to be in an amazing positon in the summer. Fall, Winter, and Spring, not so much.

It's kind of tough to gauge because presumably a lot of the people that Hinkie pissed off probably stopped following the team because of that. Do those people "count"? They probably should. But I don't know how much of them are "anti process" as much as "anti following a team that loses 85% of their games"

Certainly the sponsors and the companies that buy club boxes hated it.

I think it's safe to say he's a fairly polarizing figure. That lottery party had a lot of people at it. The Ricky Podcast has been top 30 or whatever Sports Podcast on iTunes. It's weird that something like that could have gotten more successful while a team was so crappy. I'm not sure if that sort of stuff would be possible if everyone hated the guy, the process etc. It's not just us weirdos on the internet.

you're right that it's tough to gauge. Hinkie has a lot of fans. every time I came to Realgm there was some new poster named Hinkie4evr or something who was calling me a grandpa for doubting the process.

But the lottery party was after he got fired, right? Hinkie's relegation breathed some life back into the franchise. A ton of fans had checked out because of the tanking.

I was pretty jacked to start following the team again once they put Hinkie into the proper role of chief of analytics and coffee. Sad that he couldn't accept that role. Does anyone know what he's doing now?

[Ericb5]

At the end of the day, the whole "treadmill walkers vs. process trusters" thing was just a gen x vs. millennial thing. No one can convince me otherwise.

I'm 41, and I'm very much a process truster. I guess I'm too old for being a millennial.

Most of the basketball talk that I do is with the people on this board, and I don't know people's ages. In fact I'm so ignorant of people ages on the forum that I'm just assuming that you are saying younger people tend to be process trusters.

I haven't noticed any correlation to age and Hinkie support, if that could be extrapolated from process trusters.

I could see how it could be a new school vs old school way of thinking, but you have to be at least 30 I think to have sufficient experience with the Sixers and losing to meet the minimum requirements for being jaded with the regular process, which is a necessary condition for being a process truster. It's at least a big factor in my fandom of Hinkie and the process.




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[Chamberlainship]

At the end of the day, the whole "treadmill walkers vs. process trusters" thing was just a gen x vs. millennial thing. No one can convince me otherwise.

Angelo cataldi and howard Eskin are gen Xers?

[Kobblehead]

This commercial perfectly encapsulates the dynamic between Gen X and Sam Hinkie's approach.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfmQvc6tB1o[/youtube]