Markelle Fultz Discussion

[Unbreakable99]

I just get a Wiggins-like vibe with Fultz. I always ask the question if you aren't scoring what else are you doing to help the team? And even if you are scoring what else are you doing? Fultz can score. His defense is substandard. He hasn't rebounded great but he's a guard so I don't think that's a big deal. He has had some nice passes but he's nothing like Ball passing the ball. Ball passes people open. Fultz passes just to pass or if his shot is taken away. I wonder if he has the worst +/- in Summer League.

Simmons passes well. He plays adequate defense too. He also rebounds well.
Embiid plays great defense and rebounds.
Covington plays great defense.
Saric rebounds and brings toughness
Redick plays good team defense.

What does Fultz do well other than score? Think about that.

Undeniably, Fultz is a scorer, a shooter, a passer, and a ball handler. Wiggins is only a scorer, of those things.

Whether or not he becomes a good defender is an open question, but offensively he has a lot of skills.

I love the kid's attitude, and demeanor.


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The main thing I love about Fultz is his work ethic. It takes a lot of work to get cut from varsity as a sophomore to the top pick. He is a late bloomer so I think he has a lot of room to get even better moreso than the top prospects in the rest of this class.

[ivysixer2000]

My issue with Tatum is he doesn't create plays for his teammates on offense, takes too much mid range and challenge shots. Unassisted basket is as good as a bad shot in today's basketball.

Pretty much like Derozan on offense. And if you let him play with better offensive players like Hayward and IT, how much ISO JAY exposure you want on your offense?

*trademark ISO JAY

I don't see why people are so high on Tatum, I mean its like when you pass him the ball the rest of the team just as well run to the other end of the court cause the ball is going up.

Maybe it will change when he is playing with better players, but right now, he's a black hole.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Jesus, calm down....it's summer League.

[Old Man Game]

Hey guys, just stopping by your forum to check out what the buzz was on mMarkelle. I I can't believe how down so many of you are on him. I think you looks amazing. Hopefully Philly will trade him to the Thunder for a bag of chips or something if you think he's that bad.

[76ciology]

Hey guess, just stopping by your forum to check out what the buzz was on mMarkelle. I I can't believe how down so many of you are on him. I think you looks amazing. Hopefully Philly will trade him to the Thunder for a bag of chips or something if you think he's that bad.

I notice Thunders fans have been supportive on the Sixers. I know you guys understand us and we appreciate it.

[76ciology]

My issue with Tatum is he doesn't create plays for his teammates on offense, takes too much mid range and challenge shots. Unassisted basket is as good as a bad shot in today's basketball.

Pretty much like Derozan on offense. And if you let him play with better offensive players like Hayward and IT, how much ISO JAY exposure you want on your offense?

*trademark ISO JAY

I don't see why people are so high on Tatum, I mean its like when you pass him the ball the rest of the team just as well run to the other end of the court cause the ball is going up.

Maybe it will change when he is playing with better players, but right now, he's a black hole.

He's elite at creating shots compared to most summer league player. I'd guess if they have stats for ISO, he's numbers would be great considering the volume of ISO he has

[Simmons25]

Hey guess, just stopping by your forum to check out what the buzz was on mMarkelle. I I can't believe how down so many of you are on him. I think you looks amazing. Hopefully Philly will trade him to the Thunder for a bag of chips or something if you think he's that bad.

There are people who had their personal favourites in the draft... and on top of that some had a rabid dislike for Colangelo and hated trading up for Fultz. As a result Fultz is being judged unfairly... not that they are wanting to see him fail but they will always hold him to account up and micro analyse his weaknesses against other players like Tatum, Jackson, DSJ etc.

End of the day Fultz was the best fit and you can argue as to whether he had the best talent or not. Personally I think he was exactly what we needed and shown enough to suggest he can get his own shot off whenever he likes which is precisely what we needed.

[ivysixer2000]

My issue with Tatum is he doesn't create plays for his teammates on offense, takes too much mid range and challenge shots. Unassisted basket is as good as a bad shot in today's basketball.

Pretty much like Derozan on offense. And if you let him play with better offensive players like Hayward and IT, how much ISO JAY exposure you want on your offense?

*trademark ISO JAY

I don't see why people are so high on Tatum, I mean its like when you pass him the ball the rest of the team just as well run to the other end of the court cause the ball is going up.

Maybe it will change when he is playing with better players, but right now, he's a black hole.

He's elite at creating shots compared to most summer league player. I'd guess if they have stats for ISO, he's numbers would be great considering the volume of ISO he has

Well I meant I know why they are high on him, I just don't see it, especially for our team. He does have an ol' school feel to his game which I like but he does hold the ball a bit too long.

This is the summer league....can he do that against elite NBA players right now....probably not.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Hey guess, just stopping by your forum to check out what the buzz was on mMarkelle. I I can't believe how down so many of you are on him. I think you looks amazing. Hopefully Philly will trade him to the Thunder for a bag of chips or something if you think he's that bad.

It's a vocal minority. The far majority of the board loves him.

[Skates]

Fultz has looked better than I expected he would and I have been very high on him. In time he is going to be a really outstanding defensive player, has shot better from distance than expected this early on and simply knows how to score. His ankle didn't explode, which is a huge plus given our injury history, but mostly I have been impressed with him as a great kid who wants to be great and is willing to work to get there. Not a single regret here.

[76ciology]

I don't see why people are so high on Tatum, I mean its like when you pass him the ball the rest of the team just as well run to the other end of the court cause the ball is going up.

Maybe it will change when he is playing with better players, but right now, he's a black hole.

He's elite at creating shots compared to most summer league player. I'd guess if they have stats for ISO, he's numbers would be great considering the volume of ISO he has

Well I meant I know why they are high on him, I just don't see it, especially for our team. He does have an ol' school feel to his game which I like but he does hold the ball a bit too long.

This is the summer league....can he do that against elite NBA players right now....probably not.

Well he's not a bust and I dont think anyone is crowning him to be the next LeBron. Cant say im not impressed either

[igotthatheat]

This:

Washington was 0-6 without him, 9-16 with him. Teammates were bad

oh i agree..the team was bad...the team was really bad w/o him

contradicts this:

he doesnt make anything easier for anyone else, and has no impact without the ball ...so it leads people to believe that his "teammates suck"

both things can be true. His teammates were not good in Washington.

But at the same time hes kinda like Wiggins were hes obviously skilled and can get buckets but at the same time he drifts out of games, plays with low effort on defense, and doesnt have that big an impact overall.

[CoreyGallagher]

This:

oh i agree..the team was bad...the team was really bad w/o him

contradicts this:

he doesnt make anything easier for anyone else, and has no impact without the ball ...so it leads people to believe that his "teammates suck"

both things can be true. His teammates were not good in Washington.

But at the same time hes kinda like Wiggins were hes obviously skilled and can get buckets but at the same time he drifts out of games, plays with low effort on defense, and doesnt have that big an impact overall.

We disagree and that's fine, however, using quotes like that is to imply skepticism. You may not have meant it like that, but that's how we read it.

Hence my post before.

[Simmons25]

This:

oh i agree..the team was bad...the team was really bad w/o him

contradicts this:

he doesnt make anything easier for anyone else, and has no impact without the ball ...so it leads people to believe that his "teammates suck"

both things can be true. His teammates were not good in Washington.

But at the same time hes kinda like Wiggins were hes obviously skilled and can get buckets but at the same time he drifts out of games, plays with low effort on defense, and doesnt have that big an impact overall.

We were hearing the exact same thing about Simmons too. When you play on bad teams with bad players things like this are going to be highlighted.

If Simmons had played at Duke instead of LSU he would be a winner with no weaknesses. If Fultz had played at Kansas instead of Washington exactly the same.

I mean look at Javale McGee... absolutely laughing stock... joins Golden State and suddenly he looks like a top 5 center. That's the way it works.

If anything guys like Simmons and Fultz will thrive and be even better than they were in College with better players around them creating more space for them to work in. It's natural that guys playing in losing sides with no talented teammates are going to struggle to maintain intensity. I don't think it has any bearing on how they will be in the NBA though.

[shawn_hemp]

LSU at least had a winning record and almost made the tournament

Washington was just awful

And I can't stress enough just how poor the defensive play in the Pac-12 was this year

Even the top teams like UCLA, Oregon, and Arizona weren't really interested in that side of the ball.

I still am behind Fultz and the team, I just think it is unfair to label anyone with questions about him as a "hater"

As far as I can see up to this point: he's a gifted scorer who has showcased his abilities so far against marginal defending at best and is not a true PG. which is fine, since we don't really need him to be. But that's just how I see it. If he can consistently knock down 3 pointers, whatever gripes you have about his motor or "killer instinct" go out the window IMO.

The way I see it, Fultz is really just another guy for Simmons to pass the ball to. He just had really good ball handling skills. I still would have rather have taken Monk, considering he moves off the ball much better than Fultz and I have stated numerous times that I think Monk will be a better defender than Fultz

getting a few blocks in Summer League /= good defense

[CoreyGallagher]

I don't believe that anybody's a hater, just that fans tend to overreact and exaggerate, especially to SL.

Starters were negative again yesterday, so in every game they've been negative. The only starter that has had a positive plus/minus in any game the entire SL was TLC against the Celtics.

[sixerswillrule]

This:

oh i agree..the team was bad...the team was really bad w/o him

contradicts this:

he doesnt make anything easier for anyone else, and has no impact without the ball ...so it leads people to believe that his "teammates suck"

both things can be true. His teammates were not good in Washington.

But at the same time hes kinda like Wiggins were hes obviously skilled and can get buckets but at the same time he drifts out of games, plays with low effort on defense, and doesnt have that big an impact overall.

This:

Washington was 0-6 without him, 9-16 with him. Teammates were bad

oh i agree..the team was bad...the team was really bad w/o him

contradicts this:

it leads people to believe that his "teammates suck"

[cksdayoff]

i feel like you cant make a judgment about fultz and the huskies unless you've actually watched huskies games. and i know most of you guys haven't.

its like when people assumed ben simmons was the pg on lsu but in actuality tim quarterman had the ball more than simmons. simmons wasnt put in his best position on offense.

[Old Man Game]

Hey guys, just stopping by your forum to check out what the buzz was on mMarkelle. I I can't believe how down so many of you are on him. I think you looks amazing. Hopefully Philly will trade him to the Thunder for a bag of chips or something if you think he's that bad.

I notice Thunders fans have been supportive on the Sixers. I know you guys understand us and we appreciate it.

We know the journey you guys are on first hand and how exciting it is. This right here, where you've got all this young talent on cheap deals and the team is ascendant, where every win feels like building to an inevitable championship and you're coming like a meteor and the rest of the league can't stop you. It doesn't get any better than this. Enjoy it. (Although caveat, I suppose actually winning that title would have been better, alas, we never got there. I hope you all do.)

That and Joel is my favorite personality in the NBA right now outside of Westbrook. How can anyone not like Embiid?

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Hey guess, just stopping by your forum to check out what the buzz was on mMarkelle. I I can't believe how down so many of you are on him. I think you looks amazing. Hopefully Philly will trade him to the Thunder for a bag of chips or something if you think he's that bad.

It's a vocal minority. The far majority of the board loves him.

Yeah, leave me off that list as well. I love what he's shown so far. This kid can flat out score, and he has the ability to carry us in the fourth quarter of games. We finally have found our iso player that every team needs come playoff time.