Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[youngcrev]

Given the scenario where Green and Curry are still on the team, you're still worried about the spacing (you'd have better spacing than the current starters)? You'd have 6 playoff caliber rotation pieces in place and the whole regular season to see if you can mine a couple more out of internal development/minimum vets/low end trades/g league/buyout guys. Keep in mind, we'd actually be a pretty desirable buyout destination with that roster.

As for Mattise shooting, he shot 35.7% as a low volume guy that pretty much strictly took open catch and shoot opportunities, and was up and down all year with it. I think our expectation level for him as a shooter are quite different. And while he's a menace in terms of turnover creation, he's not going to be able to guard the guys that we really need to worry about in a playoff series (Tatum, Butler, Giannis, Kawhi, Lebron, KD).

[HardenToSixers]

I was wondering if adding these shooters do help us or prevent us from trading for Harden.

Harden has to play with not only shooters but guys who can also defend, because he is not as good of a defender than Ben. So trading Harden straight up for Ben, may have some “complimentary pieces” problem. Although, you can really live with it because we’ll still have Green and Thybulle. While Harden and Embiid is just too good

But then i realize.. if you are going to build around Ben Simmons and John Wall, you have to surround them with elite shooters like Seth Curry, korkmaz or Milton.

Maybe even if he wants to sell Simmons, he wants to pump his value by putting him in a great situation and raising his value closer to what it was a year or two ago. Then, either were cruising and things are going well and we stick with it, or we can trade Simmons for more value and have some shooters to include in deals as well.

it shouldn’t be hard to shuffle supporting pieces down the line if we want to execute a Simmons for Harden trade further down the line.

[76ciology]

I was wondering if adding these shooters do help us or prevent us from trading for Harden.

Harden has to play with not only shooters but guys who can also defend, because he is not as good of a defender than Ben. So trading Harden straight up for Ben, may have some “complimentary pieces” problem. Although, you can really live with it because we’ll still have Green and Thybulle. While Harden and Embiid is just too good

But then i realize.. if you are going to build around Ben Simmons and John Wall, you have to surround them with elite shooters like Seth Curry, korkmaz or Milton.

Maybe even if he wants to sell Simmons, he wants to pump his value by putting him in a great situation and raising his value closer to what it was a year or two ago. Then, either were cruising and things are going well and we stick with it, or we can trade Simmons for more value and have some shooters to include in deals as well.

it shouldn’t be hard to shuffle supporting pieces down the line if we want to execute a Simmons for Harden trade further down the line.

Telling everyone that we are not looking to trade ben is already inflating his value IMO.

If Morey is looking to trade Ben for Harden, he is playing it well while the Rox are blowing their cover and losing their leverage as they head to the deadline. The rox are keeping it all together but Harden is not cooperating. Fertita even went into some interview yesterday just to clear up whats happening.

Personally, and this is a hot take.. i think Morey sees Ben as an overvalued asset. He’s not a bad player, but he’s overrated. And the analytics won’t be able to show that so he can bluff all he wants. But behind all these, Ben just doesn’t fit the archetype of “duos” Morey build his team around with. He always have two guys who can single handedly carry a team in the playoffs. This ranges from guys like Yao Ming to Westbrook.

But.. Morey knows putting Ben at the table is not a rational move. In a bid war, you don’t want to overbid. No way Rox will get a value close to Harden. Despite 99% of RealGM users would like to think. The goal is to be the highest bidder but just slightly higher than the second highest bidder.

Bidding Ben Simmons with the second highest bid is Lavert and Dinwiddie is not a winning move.

I think Morey is trying to turn the table around. And you kind of see this with who’s doing the chasing. Like that scene where Julia Roberts got knocked some sense when she was asked who’s doing the chasing in the movie “My Bestfriend’s Wedding”

And even if im wrong about this. Im sure Morey is not naive to see how good Harden and Biid duo can be. So I can’t see him trying his best to get him here.

[spikeslovechild]

Given the scenario where Green and Curry are still on the team, you're still worried about the spacing (you'd have better spacing than the current starters)? You'd have 6 playoff caliber rotation pieces in place and the whole regular season to see if you can mine a couple more out of internal development/minimum vets/low end trades/g league/buyout guys. Keep in mind, we'd actually be a pretty desirable buyout destination with that roster.

As for Mattise shooting, he shot 35.7% as a low volume guy that pretty much strictly took open catch and shoot opportunities, and was up and down all year with it. I think our expectation level for him as a shooter are quite different. And while he's a menace in terms of turnover creation, he's not going to be able to guard the guys that we really need to worry about in a playoff series (Tatum, Butler, Giannis, Kawhi, Lebron, KD).

Well he is not really a SF he's a guard. He doesn't have the size to guard Giannis or KD or Tatum or Lebron that should be obvious.

[youngcrev]

Given the scenario where Green and Curry are still on the team, you're still worried about the spacing (you'd have better spacing than the current starters)? You'd have 6 playoff caliber rotation pieces in place and the whole regular season to see if you can mine a couple more out of internal development/minimum vets/low end trades/g league/buyout guys. Keep in mind, we'd actually be a pretty desirable buyout destination with that roster.

As for Mattise shooting, he shot 35.7% as a low volume guy that pretty much strictly took open catch and shoot opportunities, and was up and down all year with it. I think our expectation level for him as a shooter are quite different. And while he's a menace in terms of turnover creation, he's not going to be able to guard the guys that we really need to worry about in a playoff series (Tatum, Butler, Giannis, Kawhi, Lebron, KD).

Well he is not really a SF he's a guard. He doesn't have the size to guard Giannis or KD or Tatum or Lebron that should be obvious.

Right, Simmons does, and those are the guys we need to worry about matching up with in a playoff series.

[Jkam31]

I was wondering if adding these shooters do help us or prevent us from trading for Harden.

Harden has to play with not only shooters but guys who can also defend, because he is not as good of a defender than Ben. So trading Harden straight up for Ben, may have some “complimentary pieces” problem. Although, you can really live with it because we’ll still have Green and Thybulle. While Harden and Embiid is just too good

But then i realize.. if you are going to build around Ben Simmons and John Wall, you have to surround them with elite shooters like Seth Curry, korkmaz or Milton.

Nobody is building around John Wall

[stormi]

The salaries between Scott + Ferg or Scott + Poirier both work as a salary base in a trade for PJ Tucker.

I get he's a polarizing player, but I do believe in the psychological and intangible aspect of basketball as well. He brings toughness, is a tenacious team defender and does his job of standing in the corner as well as anyone (we could realistically afford...) at his position. I think it's a major upgrade over Scott, who's done us a fair service when he first arrived, but he's stonefooted and a liability on the defensive end of the floor.



Extremely cryptic last IG post (which usually mean nothing a majority of the time)

Milton/Curry
Green/Maxey
Simmons/Thybulle
Harris/Tucker
Embiid/Howard

+Anderson/Korkmaz/Bradley/Joe

[Kobblehead]

The problem with P.J. Tucker is that he's 35 now and coming off a bad defensive season. The last time we attempted to revive a player that showed serious signs of being cooked was Wilson Chandler and look how that turned out.

If Tucker gets bought out at the deadline and we bring him in on a minimum to kick the tires, that's fine. I don't want to trade salary for him right now. That might be better used in another trade.

[stormi]

If there's better value to be had I'm all for it, this was a pretty unobtrusively aimed target. But washed PJ is still > Scott defensively + he is an expiring so he can just be flipped himself at a later date if need be.

[Kobblehead]

I don't see incentive for Houston to take back our expirings for him unless we attach a 2nd rounder, though. If they're just giving him away, sure, sign me up. I don't want to attach a pick for him, though. I think there's a 90% chance he's cooked.

[Arsenal]

Morey already said he's good w/our team as is. He's not pressed to burn assets for veteran stopgaps until he sees how they perform. He's absolutely correct that what your issues end up as may not be the same as what you think they are now.

[stormi]

Well it'd take the fun away if we abided by his words

[Kobblehead]

If Daryl abided by his own words, he'd be spending time with his family (the reason he gave for the "mutual split" from the Rockets) instead of running our basketball operations. Public statements should be taken with a grain of salt. Best believe he's working those phones. Every GM is doing the same, these guys are always looking to upgrade.

[76ciology]

Kings:
Shake Milton
14M expiring (mike scott,tony bradley, Walton&Poirier)
8M trade exemption

Bobcats:
Tobias Harris

Sixers:
Harden
Eric Gordon

Rockets:
Terry Rozier
Buddy Hield
Tyrese Maxey
Zeller (13m expiring)
2021 1st round pick
2022 pick swap
2023 1st round pick
2024 pick swap

Why for the Rockets
Rozier (18ppg) = dinwiddie
Hield(20ppg) = LeVert
Picks = picks
Maxey = difference maker

Both Hield and Rozier are 40% 3pt shooters

We beat the Nets offer.

[ShirleyTemple]

Kings:
Shake Milton
14M expiring (mike scott,tony bradley, Walton&Poirier)
8M trade exemption

Bobcats:
Tobias Harris

Sixers:
Harden
Eric Gordon

Rockets:
Terry Rozier
Buddy Hield
Tyrese Maxey
Zeller (13m expiring)
2021 1st round pick
2022 pick swap
2023 1st round pick
2024 pick swap

Why for the Rockets
Rozier (18ppg) = dinwiddie
Hield(20ppg) = LeVert
Picks = picks
Maxey = difference maker

Both Hield and Rozier are 40% 3pt shooters

We beat the Nets offer.

So we get Harden without sending Simmons AND get rid of Harris' contract?

[76ciology]

Kings:
Shake Milton
14M expiring (mike scott,tony bradley, Walton&Poirier)
8M trade exemption

Bobcats:
Tobias Harris

Sixers:
Harden
Eric Gordon

Rockets:
Terry Rozier
Buddy Hield
Tyrese Maxey
Zeller (13m expiring)
2021 1st round pick
2022 pick swap
2023 1st round pick
2024 pick swap

Why for the Rockets
Rozier (18ppg) = dinwiddie
Hield(20ppg) = LeVert
Picks = picks
Maxey = difference maker

Both Hield and Rozier are 40% 3pt shooters

We beat the Nets offer.

So we get Harden without sending Simmons AND get rid of Harris' contract?

Yes. Some call me a miracle worker.

[spikeslovechild]

Honestly part of this holdout on Simmons is likely due to the fact he knows no other team is offering a comparable player. So from our perspective why bid against yourself? To me if we do move Simmons I'd like someone else useful back too. We will see if that happens.

It would have been much easier to do a deal if they had kept Roco and you know Morey was a fan because he traded for him. Here is one offer that works for me anyways.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y48krb5d

It gives us some defensive versatility and allow us to put him on the more athletic bigs that aren't really a fit for Embiid. Gordon is super athletic and would we a perfect fit catching lobs and passes. He is also capable of being a secondary ball handler along with Harris.

He has a bunch of flaws but as a secondary piece coming back in a Harden trade I'd like the return. Now someone probably has to add to that deal for Orlando but they are looking to add shooting. Maybe a 1st round pick. I dunno.

[51X3RF4N]

Honestly part of this holdout on Simmons is likely due to the fact he knows no other team is offering a comparable player. So from our perspective why bid against yourself? To me if we do move Simmons I'd like someone else useful back too. We will see if that happens.

It would have been much easier to do a deal if they had kept Roco and you know Morey was a fan because he traded for him.

Simmons, Bradley, Mike Scott, 1 future 1st.

For Harden, PJ Tucker.

Bradley can be aggregated into a deal at midnight tonight.

Solves the 16 man roster issue and better backup 4.

Embiid/Howard/Poirier
Harris/Tucker/Anderson
Green/Thybulle/Ferguson
Harden/Korkmaz/Joe
Curry/Milton/Maxey

Reed 2 way.

Broekhoff and Walton cut.

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[spikeslovechild]

I don't see PJ Tucker as much of an asset. In fact if we wanted to trade for him we could just use the TPE and Houston would probably just as happy to get him off the books.

[stormi]

Honestly part of this holdout on Simmons is likely due to the fact he knows no other team is offering a comparable player. So from our perspective why bid against yourself? To me if we do move Simmons I'd like someone else useful back too. We will see if that happens.

It would have been much easier to do a deal if they had kept Roco and you know Morey was a fan because he traded for him.

Simmons, Bradley, Mike Scott, 1 future 1st.

For Harden, PJ Tucker.

Bradley can be aggregated into a deal at midnight tonight.

Solves the 16 man roster issue and better backup 4.

Embiid/Howard/Poirier
Harris/Tucker/Anderson
Green/Thybulle/Ferguson
Harden/Korkmaz/Joe
Curry/Milton/Maxey

Reed 2 way.

Broekhoff and Walton cut.

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This team, but with someone like Derrick White at the '1' instead of Curry would be quite swell.