2017-2018 College Basketball / '18 NBA Draft Thread

[PLO]

First time watching Bagley and obviously he is very talented but he seems like a perfect example of a guy that's not getting a lot out of going to college. K was basically playing him at center and he just physically overpowered kids.

There's going to be few matchups this year with which to gauge him properly in terms of NBA readiness. The patchy D and lack of polish is less of a worry than what I thought it would be because of how intense he is. I think he's a higher floor player (though maybe not than Doncic) than any in last years draft but the lack of one true outstanding characteristic apart from motor is a bit of a concern.

He's a bit like what many posters on here thought Josh Jackson was in the run up to the last draft, though Bagley is a better player right now than Josh Jackson has ever been.

[Kobblehead]

Arizona drops 3 in a row, loses to Purdue.

Ayton: 22 points, 8 board, 1 block, fouled out

[Ericb5]

I wonder if he is still growing. He is 7’3 now. If he grows a couple more inches then he is going to succeed in the nba just based on sheer size.

I have no idea how good he is though. Oregon was a weird choice.


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Eh I think once you get past 7'2/7'3 you run the risk of being over sized and unable to keep up with the pace of the NBA game. A lot of the freakishly tall 7'5 guys end up not accomplishing much due to being too tall and not having the lateral agility to use all that length.

I’m admittedly ignorant of the kid, but just assuming that he is a player similar to his father, then the only reason Manute was in the league was because of his obscene length.

Manute Bol At 7’1, with a 7’5 wingspan wouldn’t be in the league. He was simply too wonky of an athlete, and too skinny.

He had natural shot blocking instincts, but he would have been a severe minus in every other metric.

If the kid turns into a similar freak length wise then maybe he becomes interesting, especially considering the fact that he has grown up as a basketball player when his dad didn’t.


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I just watched some clips of Bol and he is way more athletic than his father was. His shooting stroke looks pretty good too.

I’m definitely going to be interested in this kid next year.


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[smittybanton]

Bulls - Bagley
Hawks - Doncic
Mavericks - Bamba
Kings - Porter
Nets/Celtics - Ayton
Suns - Sexton

[long range bomber]

Bulls - Bagley
Hawks - Doncic
Mavericks - Bamba
Kings - Porter
Nets/Celtics - Ayton
Suns - Sexton

No way Porter goes ahead of Ayton, especially considering the uncertainty of his back.

[Negrodamus]

Collin Sexton has to do something with his free throw motion, but what he did against Minnesota in a 3 v 5 situation is quite heroic. Depending on the teams, he could be a top 3 pick. He's shockingly fast.

[Ericb5]

Bulls - Bagley
Hawks - Doncic
Mavericks - Bamba
Kings - Porter
Nets/Celtics - Ayton
Suns - Sexton

No way Porter goes ahead of Ayton, especially considering the uncertainty of his back.

I think Ayton has a the best chance of going First. I think any of those teams would take him first assuming he stays healthy and has no red flags.


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[smittybanton]

Bulls - Bagley
Hawks - Doncic
Mavericks - Bamba
Kings - Porter
Nets/Celtics - Ayton
Suns - Sexton

No way Porter goes ahead of Ayton, especially considering the uncertainty of his back.

I think Ayton has a the best chance of going First. I think any of those teams would take him first assuming he stays healthy and has no red flags.


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I would not take Ayton over Bamba. His physical gifts mask a paint by numbers player. He will be good. But not that good. Better than Roy Hibbert. If you're looking for a star, he's not it. Bamba has a bigger upside in my opinion. Good fundamentals, although I don't think he can put the ball on the floor at all. Also, Ayton is a 'watcher' on defense. You're always going to want more from him on that end.

As for Porter being hurt, sounds like the arguments for Aaron Gordon, Marcus Smart or Julius Randle. We see how that turned out...

This list is preliminary. Plenty of ball to watch. He may not go as low as #5, but I would bet 100 pushups right now that Ayton doesn't go #1.

[smittybanton]

Re-watched both of their last games yesterday. Notes:

11:42 of the first half, Bamba brings the ball up, and his teammates let him. Turned it over doing the same thing at 11:43 in the 2nd. Still...
Bagley did his thing against Bamba. But he really feasted when Bamba was out the game and when he was in foul trouble.
A rich man's Nerlens Noel. Good hands, can shoot. Smart guy, and you can tell his teammates like him.
Like Noel, doesn't yet have Ayton's body to hold off bullies in the paint. But has much, much better help recognition.
Ayton will get more blocked shots on his man, whereas Bamba will get more steals and blocks helping others. Between the two, I'd rather have Bamba on Antentokounmpo and Anthony Davis, but Deandre Ayton on Joel Embiid or Andre Drummend.
Ayton reminds me of a better shooting but slightly less powerful Greg Oden.
Ayton might win player of the year in college basketball, but Bamba's skillset is better suited for the "modern Nba".
A watcher. Focused on the ball. Vision doesn't seem panaramic. Has a little too much Roy Hibbert in him for my liking.

[smittybanton]

A 7-1 'Noah Vonleh' is going to be a good NBA player. Just not someone I'm taking #1.

Marvin Bagley is quite similar to Amare Stoudamire, and if the Lakers gave us the #1 pick, I'd be shocked if Bryan Colangelo didn't take him a week before the draft.

[smittybanton]

Trae Young puts 43 on Oregon.

[LloydFree]

A 7-1 'Noah Vonleh' is going to be a good NBA player. Just not someone I'm taking #1.

Marvin Bagley is quite similar to Amare Stoudamire, and if the Lakers gave us the #1 pick, I'd be shocked if Bryan Colangelo didn't take him a week before the draft.

I can kinda see where you are going with the Amare Stoudemire comp. I think Stoudemire played with a ferocious mean streak coming out of HS. I'm not sure I see that in Bagley. Similar skills though.

[Kobblehead]

Ayton is in the Kanter/Vucevic lane, as far as I'm concerned. Skilled, can score points and dominate the glass, but can't anchor a defense. Being able to anchor a defense is the MAIN thing I need from a center, though. So I'm losing interest by the day on him.

[Kobblehead]

He may not go as low as #5, but I would bet 100 pushups right now that Ayton doesn't go #1.

I think he's a lock to go #1. Especially when considering it from an NBA front office's perspective.

A 7'1" 250 pound Adonis with a 7'5" wingspan that is an actual fluid athlete that will have averaged 20 and 12 as a true freshman in a Power 5 school. He's a virtual lock.

[LordCovington33]

LA Pick (6-9) - Miles Bridges? Collin Sexton?
PHI Pick (13-17) - Hamadou Diallo? Rawle Alkins?

I like Sexton's energy, but he is a little short for a shooting guard. That's my only big concern at this stage.

In the traditional sense, I agree. But I think with Ben, we need a guard with Fultz who shuts down the Kemba Walker's etc., and who can also score. A Patrick Beverly type. I think Sexton fits that mold. Ultimately, I'd like a guard who is more athletic, defends better and shoots better than TJ Maxx. TJ is hella scrappy. But his contract is depreciating, and he is limited. Would love to keep him as third guard. But we need an upgrade at backup one, and back up three, in my opinion.

Great find back in Sept. He almost won the 3-on-5 last night.

[ProcessDoctor]

Finally got around to watching/reading about some of these prospects. From a sixers perspective, Jaren Jackson looks like the ideal pick for us. 7'4" wingspan, can play the 4/5, blocks shots, and stretches the floor. He'd be a great backup big and Embiid insurance, if needed.

[Negrodamus]

Gilgeous-Alexander is the key to UK's season and I'm feeling pretty good about that. Very raw, but playings incredible defense and finishing at the rim at a high level. If he gets his turnovers in check, then it will be hard to beat this team.

[Unbreakable99]

He may not go as low as #5, but I would bet 100 pushups right now that Ayton doesn't go #1.

I think he's a lock to go #1. Especially when considering it from an NBA front office's perspective.

A 7'1" 250 pound Adonis with a 7'5" wingspan that is an actual fluid athlete that will have averaged 20 and 12 as a true freshman in a Power 5 school. He's a virtual lock.

I wouldn’t say he’s a lock. The NBA is less reliant on dominant big men on offense. Teams can get a good anchor later in the draft at center. Teams don’t want to draft centers in the top 3 anymore. Embiid was perfect and he would have gone first but Ayton isn’t Embiid. I think it’s more likely Bagley or Docic or Porter Jr if healthy or some wing player go in the top 3 even if you think they may not be top 3 talents.

[mrfantast1c]

A 7-1 'Noah Vonleh' is going to be a good NBA player. Just not someone I'm taking #1.

Marvin Bagley is quite similar to Amare Stoudamire, and if the Lakers gave us the #1 pick, I'd be shocked if Bryan Colangelo didn't take him a week before the draft.

Thankfully it's looking like we won't be in that position. I don't like his fit with our core players

[mrfantast1c]

Collin Sexton has to do something with his free throw motion, but what he did against Minnesota in a 3 v 5 situation is quite heroic. Depending on the teams, he could be a top 3 pick. He's shockingly fast.

I love freaky athletic freshman. If we didn't trade up for Fultz, he was the main guard I was targeting. Would like to see how that jumper looks throughout the year