Tobias Harris Trade Thread

SixthStreet · Post #561 » by **SixthStreet** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:35 pm

What use do the Nets have for Harris? That's a terrible fit. You want to add a ball stopper to take possessions away from Durant or Harden? Lol. If they are trading Kyrie better for them to get shooters and rim protectors who don't need the ball.

They'd be better off keeping unvaccinated Kyrie than adding Harris.

From the Sixers side, I'd do the trade with no assurances from Kyrie. I'd take even a 25% chance of him eventually playing and a 75% AWOL rate.

Mik317 · Post #562 » by **Mik317** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:48 pm

5 FTs all year. 50 FGAs.

Not great

the_process · Post #563 » by **the_process** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:12 pm

The team the Sixers need to to be selling Tobias hard to is SA.

the_process · Post #564 » by **the_process** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:26 pm

4 GP. 131 MP.
68 FGA @ 51.5%
(52 2FGA @ 57.7% and 16 3FGA @ 31.3%)
6 FTA @ 83.3%
eFG .551
3PAr .235
FTr .088

Tobias Harris, ladies and gentlemen.

TTP · Post #565 » by **TTP** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:07 pm

I really hate the "fit" of Tobias in our offense, but I'll give him credit for defending well against Randle yesterday. They were constantly testing Maxey/Harris in the two man high screen game, and Tobias handled himself well all things considered.

The offense is so rough though. He still doesn't shoot quickly or move the ball quickly, and he just doesn't get himself enough great looks on his own. It's like he can neither play within the flow of the offense, nor justify not playing within the flow of the offense.

Ferry Avenue · Post #566 » by **Ferry Avenue** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:18 pm

Harris needs to be the third option on a team with two very good options in front of him. Embiid and Jimmy Butler were the perfect setup for him. Asking any more of him than that won't work well.

SixthStreet · Post #567 » by **SixthStreet** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:29 pm

To be honest, Harris is really only a tank commander. He's not a winning basketball player (actually I should say he's not a contending type player, he's probably a good floor raiser for a play-in type team like the Wizards). The things he does best he doesn't do them well enough to let him cook. To his credit, he has lifted his shortcomings to fair levels (like defense) so he's a high floor player in a vacuum but I can't think of any real contending team today that could actually use his style of play on offense.

Bucks - No
Nets - No
Lakers - No
Jazz - No
Nuggets - No
Suns - No

If you think the Hawks are a contender then you could make a case for them but other than that on the above 6 teams he'd just muck up spacing and absorb low efficiency usage and take away possessions from better players.

It's a testament to our roster dysfunction that we need him to occasionally do Tobias things.

Negrodamus · Post #568 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:16 pm

Why would Tobias be a tank commander? I would hate to have him on my team if I'm intentionally losing. He's going to win enough worthless games to keep you out of the highest odds of top draft pick.

SixthStreet · Post #569 » by **SixthStreet** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:35 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Why would Tobias be a tank commander? I would hate to have him on my team if I'm intentionally losing. He's going to win enough worthless games to keep you out of the highest odds of top draft pick.

He's not high volume enough to win anything. He'd be a great tank commander. Maybe we'll find out when we shut down Embiid and shut down Simmons trade market.

the_process · Post #570 » by **the_process** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:29 pm

SixthStreet wrote:To be honest, Harris is really only a tank commander. He's not a winning basketball player (actually I should say he's not a contending type player, he's probably a good floor raiser for a play-in type team like the Wizards). The things he does best he doesn't do them well enough to let him cook. To his credit, he has lifted his shortcomings to fair levels (like defense) so he's a high floor player in a vacuum but I can't think of any real contending team today that could actually use his style of play on offense.

Bucks - No
Nets - No
Lakers - No
Jazz - No
Nuggets - No
Suns - No

If you think the Hawks are a contender then you could make a case for them but other than that on the above 6 teams he'd just muck up spacing and absorb low efficiency usage and take away possessions from better players.

It's a testament to our roster dysfunction that we need him to occasionally do Tobias things.

He's not even a floor raiser. Morey has to sucker someone (San Antonio!) into thinking that, though.

DCasey91 · Post #571 » by **DCasey91** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:36 pm

SixthStreet wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Why would Tobias be a tank commander? I would hate to have him on my team if I'm intentionally losing. He's going to win enough worthless games to keep you out of the highest odds of top draft pick.

He's not high volume enough to win anything. He'd be a great tank commander. Maybe we'll find out when we shut down Embiid and shut down Simmons trade market.

I give it less than a month before Embiid is shut down.

Bring on the Tank Commander Harris! Start Joe, start whoever needs a pump in trade value lol.

ProcessDoctor · Post #572 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:03 am

Might as well swing for the fences and try for a Harris-Irving swap.

mjkvol · Post #573 » by **mjkvol** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:53 am

SixthStreet wrote:To be honest, Harris is really only a tank commander. He's not a winning basketball player (actually I should say he's not a contending type player, he's probably a good floor raiser for a play-in type team like the Wizards). The things he does best he doesn't do them well enough to let him cook. To his credit, he has lifted his shortcomings to fair levels (like defense) so he's a high floor player in a vacuum but I can't think of any real contending team today that could actually use his style of play on offense.

This has been my view on him since he got here. Harris made his name as an empty stats guy for average to bad teams, I'd be hard pressed to even call him a floor raiser. Totally agree with the point that he is a bad fit on virtually any contending team, but his value will never be higher than it is right at this moment. Good guy, nice player, but a bad fit and an anchor with that contract.

Morey can't possibly believe that this is a real contender, and a Simmons deal isn't happening for at least another month and a half to two months. If he isn't quietly shopping Harris right now he isn't the forward thinking genius we thought we were getting.

Post #574 » by **Stanford** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:01 am

ProcessDoctor wrote:Might as well swing for the fences and try for a Harris-Irving swap.

How many firsts would you be willing to add to that deal? (real question, not a troll)

mjkvol · Post #575 » by **mjkvol** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:20 am

Stanford wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Might as well swing for the fences and try for a Harris-Irving swap.

How many firsts would you be willing to add to that deal? (real question, not a troll)

A legitimate question all things being equal, but you are trading a guy who shows up and plays every night with zero baggage for what has essentially become a wild card. Should be a straight up deal just due to the risk, and the fact that Irving is of no use to the Nets as things stand.

Post #576 » by **Foshan** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:33 am

mjkvol wrote:
Stanford wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Might as well swing for the fences and try for a Harris-Irving swap.

How many firsts would you be willing to add to that deal? (real question, not a troll)

A legitimate question all things being equal, but you are trading a guy who shows up and plays every night with zero baggage for what has essentially become a wild card. Should be a straight up deal just due to the risk, and the fact that Irving is of no use to the Nets as things stand.

Agreed. Kyrie is such a wild card i don't add anything. dude has said he might retire if traded...

ProcessDoctor · Post #577 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:44 am

Stanford wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Might as well swing for the fences and try for a Harris-Irving swap.

How many firsts would you be willing to add to that deal? (real question, not a troll)

No more than one, and that’s if Kyrie agrees to play for us and not retire (not that his word means anything great).

Eyeamok · Post #578 » by **Eyeamok** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:21 pm

Foshan wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
Stanford wrote:
How many firsts would you be willing to add to that deal? (real question, not a troll)

A legitimate question all things being equal, but you are trading a guy who shows up and plays every night with zero baggage for what has essentially become a wild card. Should be a straight up deal just due to the risk, and the fact that Irving is of no use to the Nets as things stand.

Agreed. Kyrie is such a wild card i don't add anything. dude has said he might retire if traded...

He's getting 17 million to stay at home and he might retire. God Bless America ! I think he would play for his next contract.

76ciology · Post #579 » by **76ciology** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:45 pm

the_process wrote:4 GP. 131 MP.
68 FGA @ 51.5%
(52 2FGA @ 57.7% and 16 3FGA @ 31.3%)
6 FTA @ 83.3%
eFG .551
3PAr .235
FTr .088

Tobias Harris, ladies and gentlemen.

So much upside. Imagine if he can make more 3s and get to the line more often :wink:

phillynative · Post #580 » by **phillynative** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:37 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:Harris needs to be the third option on a team with two very good options in front of him. Embiid and Jimmy Butler were the perfect setup for him. Asking any more of him than that won't work well.

In theory but two guys unwilling to shoot from 3 is not a great fit for Embiid.