The Tomjas Thread

[SixthStreet]

The next phase of the Klutch plan will be for him to report and play again but dog it on the court. Sixers treading water without him so Doc will choose to DNP-CD low effort Ben. Simmons will claim that as evidence he's "not mentally ready".

[Eyeamok]

Is there another case in which a player is on a 1st place team, is wanted by the team to play and be a focal point, but they would rather lose money in hopes to be traded to some random crap team?

Ben wants to be the focal point of a bad team. Low expectations and early summer vacations to play COD is the goal here.,,,,oh and to be paid max money.

[76ciology]

If Ben Simmons really has mental illness, sixers wont be stupid to fine him and risk being liable if whatever happens to him.

[deep6er]

I was under the impression that Rich Paul is a savvy operator who knows how to play situations to get people a lot of money. This is the most poorly handled negotiation I have ever seen. His client continues to lose money and is gaining no leverage by doing so. Is Rich Paul an idiot? Is he as frustrated by Ben's refusal to play or at least cooperate, as everyone else?

[Sixerscan]

I was under the impression that Rich Paul is a savvy operator who knows how to play situations to get people a lot of money. This is the most poorly handled negotiation I have ever seen. His client continues to lose money and is gaining no leverage by doing so. Is Rich Paul an idiot? Is he as frustrated by Ben's refusal to play or at least cooperate, as everyone else?

Even the greatest negotiators are limited by the underlying facts they are negotiating off of.

[djsunyc]

I was under the impression that Rich Paul is a savvy operator who knows how to play situations to get people a lot of money. This is the most poorly handled negotiation I have ever seen. His client continues to lose money and is gaining no leverage by doing so. Is Rich Paul an idiot? Is he as frustrated by Ben's refusal to play or at least cooperate, as everyone else?

it's a lose lose...but what top flight player would want to come to philly now?

[Slacktard]

I was under the impression that Rich Paul is a savvy operator who knows how to play situations to get people a lot of money. This is the most poorly handled negotiation I have ever seen. His client continues to lose money and is gaining no leverage by doing so. Is Rich Paul an idiot? Is he as frustrated by Ben's refusal to play or at least cooperate, as everyone else?

it's a lose lose...but what top flight player would want to come to philly now?

What top flight player wanted to come to Philly when we had the cap room and ability to maneuver to make space to acquire them?

The city is not a 'destination'. There are a couple of cities that are actually destinations for NBA players and this city is not one of them. Nothing that happens with Ben Simmons changes any of that.

Now non-destination nba cities can become enticing to players if the state of the team is such that they see winning as a real possibility (See Boston with Garnett/Pierce/Allen teaming up). I don't think anything with Simmons changes that. If the Sixers made moves and had the team at such an elite level that a player thought there was a good enough player (or players) here already to make a championship easier it would be a consideration to come here.

[AaronB]

As I said 2 weeks ago, there is no scenario where this ends well for the 76ers.

Not their fault. No way to predict a scorched earth response.

When Simmons team decided to go scorched earth tactics, all good possibilities went out the window.

Asset is depreciating rapidly every day. Maybe a pick or 2 and scrubs at this point.

Maybe a decent player and no picks.

In 2 weeks it will probably be worse as the scorched earth tactics will worsen most likely.

If this continues long enough, it will be "who can take this contract off our hands?" with the 76ers offering picks to do so.

[SixthStreet]

I don't think the resumption of fines indicates that the Sixers think he's lying about it, yet. I do think that considering the totality of the situation that the Sixers are HIGHLY skeptical. As any reasonable employer would have a right to they are now asking for some evidence that there is a proper case for him to be missing work.

I still don't have any opinion on whether Simmons is lying about this, but if he is it is one of the more selfish acts a professional athlete has ever partaken in. With the sharp increase in mental health illness in this country due to the rise of social media, the pandemic, wealth inequalities, Trump-ism, climate change, etc to make a mockery out of it for personal gain would truly be disgusting and complete lack of self-awareness.

If I were to arm-chair this, I think he does have a mental illness. But he's not really trying to diagnosis it and get it under control. I think he's just running out the clock until the eventual trade. It's unfortunate, because whatever one thinks of the Sixers motivation in all of this, the organization is from all accounts actually trying to help him with the illness by supporting him and providing him the help he needs.

And if the illness is fiction, well then they are going to protect their financial interests.

[Damienfan]

As I said 2 weeks ago, there is no scenario where this ends well for the 76ers.

Not their fault. No way to predict a scorched earth response.

When Simmons team decided to go scorched earth tactics, all good possibilities went out the window.

Asset is depreciating rapidly every day. Maybe a pick or 2 and scrubs at this point.

Maybe a decent player and no picks.

In 2 weeks it will probably be worse as the scorched earth tactics will worsen most likely.

If this continues long enough, it will be "who can take this contract off our hands?" with the 76ers offering picks to do so.

I guess we'll see. Hopefully we do better than Fultz.

[PhillyNj]

As I said 2 weeks ago, there is no scenario where this ends well for the 76ers.

Not their fault. No way to predict a scorched earth response.

When Simmons team decided to go scorched earth tactics, all good possibilities went out the window.

Asset is depreciating rapidly every day. Maybe a pick or 2 and scrubs at this point.

Maybe a decent player and no picks.

In 2 weeks it will probably be worse as the scorched earth tactics will worsen most likely.

If this continues long enough, it will be "who can take this contract off our hands?" with the 76ers offering picks to do so.

You will be proven wrong.
The Sixers will be fine without Ben and he won’t be traded for a lesser player. As Morey has already stated.
I tHink Simmons gets traded by December 15th when a lot of players are eligible to get traded.
There will be many teams lining up to get him.

[XtremeDunkz]

As I said 2 weeks ago, there is no scenario where this ends well for the 76ers.

Not their fault. No way to predict a scorched earth response.

When Simmons team decided to go scorched earth tactics, all good possibilities went out the window.

Asset is depreciating rapidly every day. Maybe a pick or 2 and scrubs at this point.

Maybe a decent player and no picks.

In 2 weeks it will probably be worse as the scorched earth tactics will worsen most likely.

If this continues long enough, it will be "who can take this contract off our hands?" with the 76ers offering picks to do so.

I guess we'll see. Hopefully we do better than Fultz.

Didn't the Fultz trade get us back the Thunder pick that turned in to Maxey? I think that ended up pretty good.

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[BullyKing]

As I said 2 weeks ago, there is no scenario where this ends well for the 76ers.

Not their fault. No way to predict a scorched earth response.

When Simmons team decided to go scorched earth tactics, all good possibilities went out the window.

Asset is depreciating rapidly every day. Maybe a pick or 2 and scrubs at this point.

Maybe a decent player and no picks.

In 2 weeks it will probably be worse as the scorched earth tactics will worsen most likely.

If this continues long enough, it will be "who can take this contract off our hands?" with the 76ers offering picks to do so.

Since you have no idea what was offered two weeks ago and no idea what is being offered now, your victory lap post is laughable.

[mjkvol]

As I said 2 weeks ago, there is no scenario where this ends well for the 76ers.

Not their fault. No way to predict a scorched earth response.

When Simmons team decided to go scorched earth tactics, all good possibilities went out the window.

Asset is depreciating rapidly every day. Maybe a pick or 2 and scrubs at this point.

Maybe a decent player and no picks.

In 2 weeks it will probably be worse as the scorched earth tactics will worsen most likely.

If this continues long enough, it will be "who can take this contract off our hands?" with the 76ers offering picks to do so.

I'd rather just not pay him and let the contract run its course before making a bad deal. No way I'd release him or pay him as long as he refuses to comply with team policy. If the Sixers cave, it'll be open season for any player to do this any time they choose.

[AaronB]

As I said 2 weeks ago, there is no scenario where this ends well for the 76ers.

Not their fault. No way to predict a scorched earth response.

When Simmons team decided to go scorched earth tactics, all good possibilities went out the window.

Asset is depreciating rapidly every day. Maybe a pick or 2 and scrubs at this point.

Maybe a decent player and no picks.

In 2 weeks it will probably be worse as the scorched earth tactics will worsen most likely.

If this continues long enough, it will be "who can take this contract off our hands?" with the 76ers offering picks to do so.

Since you have no idea what was offered two weeks ago and no idea what is being offered now, your victory lap post is laughable.

If the 76ers were offered good value for Simmons 2 weeks ago, he would be gone already.

Anyone who thinks Simmons is worth more today than 2 weeks ago is living in fantasy land.

I guess the argument could be made that when the trade player pool gets bigger in Dec, then his value goes up.

That seems like risky speculation, but at this point, it may be that risk is worth it.

If Simmons were playing and playing well, none of this value depreciation is an issue.

[AaronB]

As I said 2 weeks ago, there is no scenario where this ends well for the 76ers.

Not their fault. No way to predict a scorched earth response.

When Simmons team decided to go scorched earth tactics, all good possibilities went out the window.

Asset is depreciating rapidly every day. Maybe a pick or 2 and scrubs at this point.

Maybe a decent player and no picks.

In 2 weeks it will probably be worse as the scorched earth tactics will worsen most likely.

If this continues long enough, it will be "who can take this contract off our hands?" with the 76ers offering picks to do so.

I'd rather just not pay him and let the contract run its course before making a bad deal. No way I'd release him or pay him as long as he refuses to comply with team policy. If the Sixers cave, it'll be open season for any player to do this any time they choose.

Of course, that is a better plan.

And if Simmons wins a grievance and gets his salary while not playing (highly likely), then what the 76ers have is a significant chunk of cap tied up no value. Only stubbornness would continue like that. Stubborn organizations are rarely successful for long.

[Mik317]

who gives a **** tho.

The team is doing well. If the end result is still bad then who cares..do it then or do it now. Nothing changes. The only party that benefits from it happening now is Ben and again who gives a ****.

This is all him and his team attempting another leverage play because they had to hope the team would implode (which still might happen tbf) without him and again are getting cold feet at the idea that maybe Darryl stupid bluff will actually win out.

Bottom line Ben is feeling the heat to play and knows that will be a **** ass situation no matter what and doesn't want to deal w/ that at all. Thus this new entry in the carnival of stupid. Again I don't like to talk about mental health of another man...and I don't know if Ben is full of **** or not..but this is classic avoidance of something that scares the **** out of you if nothing else..and instead of facing it head on (which is terrifying mind you) Ben again is choosing the path of least resistance and thought he could flake on truly going hard on fixing things with therapy and here we are.

[Murray_17]

As I said 2 weeks ago, there is no scenario where this ends well for the 76ers.

Not their fault. No way to predict a scorched earth response.

When Simmons team decided to go scorched earth tactics, all good possibilities went out the window.

Asset is depreciating rapidly every day. Maybe a pick or 2 and scrubs at this point.

Maybe a decent player and no picks.

In 2 weeks it will probably be worse as the scorched earth tactics will worsen most likely.

If this continues long enough, it will be "who can take this contract off our hands?" with the 76ers offering picks to do so.

I didn't knew we had a GM posting here.

[BullyKing]

As I said 2 weeks ago, there is no scenario where this ends well for the 76ers.

Not their fault. No way to predict a scorched earth response.

When Simmons team decided to go scorched earth tactics, all good possibilities went out the window.

Asset is depreciating rapidly every day. Maybe a pick or 2 and scrubs at this point.

Maybe a decent player and no picks.

In 2 weeks it will probably be worse as the scorched earth tactics will worsen most likely.

If this continues long enough, it will be "who can take this contract off our hands?" with the 76ers offering picks to do so.

Since you have no idea what was offered two weeks ago and no idea what is being offered now, your victory lap post is laughable.

If the 76ers were offered good value for Simmons 2 weeks ago, he would be gone already.

Anyone who thinks Simmons is worth more today than 2 weeks ago is living in fantasy land.

This is what we call a strawman. No one said his value increased in the last two weeks. This was about your claim that it had declined the last two weeks and "is depreciating rapidly every day." Swing and a miss. Try again.

[jbent87]

If Ben Simmons really has mental illness, sixers wont be stupid to fine him and risk being liable if whatever happens to him.

i agree. which is why they're asking him to prove that he is being treated for this mental illness that he claims he has - but he isn't doing it. Why is that?