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Re: Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein 

Post#581 » by XtremeDunkz » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:55 pm

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Please point out the Bryan Colangelo accomplishments or transactions which inspire you to write that we're now an NBA franchise. I'll wait...



Colangelo is a 2 time executive of the year? what the hell was Hinkie? a 3 time asset collector of the year? give me a freakin break. I hope all you sons of scam follow him out of here.....go follow the next 20 year rebuilding plan or go trust another process....

Cuba Gooding Jr. has as many Oscars as Al Pacino.

NOBODY hired Bryan after his tenure in Toronto, and he had to get hired by his dad. Again. This, despite the two-time exec thing. Other NBA teams weren't buying the shiny trophies, but go ahead and be blinded by them.


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Re: Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein 

Post#582 » by sixerfan5 » Thu Apr 7, 2016 10:15 pm

The timing of forcing Hinkie out is the real kicker. If we had gotten lucky in this year's lottery, Hinkie would have had a extra year or 2 to finish what he started. JC knew that and forced him out before he could be saved by lottery luck. JC is a real piece of work.
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Re: Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein 

Post#583 » by G R E Y » Thu Apr 7, 2016 10:20 pm

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Colangelo is a 2 time executive of the year? what the hell was Hinkie? a 3 time asset collector of the year? give me a freakin break. I hope all you sons of scam follow him out of here.....go follow the next 20 year rebuilding plan or go trust another process....

Cuba Gooding Jr. has as many Oscars as Al Pacino.

NOBODY hired Bryan after his tenure in Toronto, and he had to get hired by his dad. Again. This, despite the two-time exec thing. Other NBA teams weren't buying the shiny trophies, but go ahead and be blinded by them.


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Thanks! It's a nice feeling to be rid of BC (he was living in Toronto and in interviews every now and again giving himself underhanded praise for how well the team is doing under Masai). So sorry you're stuck with him. Throughout his tenure we coped with some exceptional self-deprecating humour - memes, sigs, threads about coaching and GMing playbooks. Legendary. I hope fans in Philly don't have to endure as long as we did and you guys are back to glory days. You deserve it :beer:
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Re: Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein 

Post#584 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Thu Apr 7, 2016 10:33 pm

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yea; why would you want to be Suns east? why would you want to win 55-60 games every year? much more fun celebrating acquiring 2nd round picks...and then trading them for future 2nd round picks


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look....If you wanna talk at the adults table, you're gonna need to raise your hand first. Until then go back to your coloring book.



Adults? where? you? gimme a break......a bunch of whiners crying that their cult hero is gone.


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Re: Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein 

Post#585 » by Statlanta » Thu Apr 7, 2016 10:43 pm

As an outsider to the situation I'm actually sad about his departure. He seemed as he had a vision with the franchise and now the Colangelo's will get the credit. If only he got the 1st pick in a good draft we would see how good he was(MCW's draft year was starved of talent) as even the poor records never got him more than one 1st pick. As is I believe he is hard to judge as he never pieced together a team, never got to evaluate his complete cupboard with all his picks overseas(Saric) or injured(Noel, Embiid), so the popular perception is that of a person who only develops a losing culture trying not to build a team at all and burning bridges with potential players/workers because of the perceived work environment. Whether a good GM or not I feel like he will never get the respect he deserves for his GM skills. To conclude I feel as though the man needed one more year to prove himself.
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Re: Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein 

Post#586 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Thu Apr 7, 2016 11:14 pm

Hinkie has left the team in a great position to succeed in the near future. This current situation should be any GM's wet dream come true. Tons of cap space, young talent, assets, draft picks, potentially the no.1 overall pick in the upcoming draft...Yeah...It would be hard to screw this up. It's a shame the Brian Colangelo has been picked to take over the duties. We all knew something was up when his bastard daddy came aboard. I hated both the Colangelo and the D'Antoni additions to the team as surrogate babysitters. Something was off about it, and in return my trust for Harris's actual motive towards owning this team began to come into question. I don't like Harris at all...He has no passion towards building a winner in this city, this is all about lining his pockets..The same goes for the Colangelo family...Brian is back in business, he's got a little job security, daddy bailed him out yet again, but at the end of the day, these guys do not care about what happens to this team long term, nor do they care about this city or its fanbase.

What I don't understand the most is how Hinkie could duck out or subliminally be fired when we are right about to climb out of Hell? We hit rock bottom and stayed there for three years, and his plan was about to come into a clearing, and this happens. The whole thing reeks of Jerry Colangelos pretentious smug presence that he had once he arrived here. This truly IS ALL ABOUT MONEY at this point and nothing more. Brian was gift wrapped a GM's playground and Hinkie did all the dirty work, and now ColonJello will get all the credit if he can somehow manage to not screw this up, but that's aiming pretty high in my opinion. He should have never been able to get away with what he pulled in Toronto, the guy as a GM makes Billy King look like Jesus Christ. Absolutely no way in Hell...No excuse what so ever for letting Chris Bosh walk as a free agent, and had he handled things differently Bosh would have stayed in Toronto i'm sure. The Steve Nash thing would have only added to the colossal mound of stool he build in Toronto..he's lucky that didn't go through, but it was still his idea to attempt to acquire an over the hill Nash.

I do feel like we're going to have an exciting draft, simply because we will be getting some new talent, but I don't expect any notable free agent to be on board with signing here this summer, and say what you will about Hinkie...I think we would have acquired our "James Harden" this summer either via trade or free agency, because we were set up to do so no matter what path we took.

So with that said...I would like to give an early welcome to
Wayne Ellington 3 years 50 mil
Eric Gordon 5 years 100 mil
Jon Leuer 4 years 40 mil
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Re: Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein 

Post#587 » by G R E Y » Thu Apr 7, 2016 11:27 pm

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-the-76ers-unraveled-sam-hinkie-193118470.html

I'm done with this ownership.


This article is a joke.

Bryan didn't want a job from his daddy because of optics but couldn't get a job without him because he's terrible and everyone knows it.

So I'm supposed to feel better about this hire why?


My favorite part is that he didn't want to go to Philadelphia where they were loaded with talent and picks. He wanted to go to the Nets where he could prove himself. That was the **** article i have ever read. That was the best Jerry could do?

This part was a gem:

Truth be told, Colangelo never wanted the 76ers job. Never. He wanted no part of his father’s shadow again or the cries that he needed his father to give him a GM job.
Yet 76ers ownership, including O’Neil, convinced Bryan Colangelo that it believed he was the best candidate on the market.


Rrrriiiiiiiiight. Fact is, he couldn't get another NBA job without his father. If he hated going to Philly so much, all he had to do was say NO! But this angle is needed because he'll be there longer than his father, whose job is just about done: assets acquired, son hired, mission accomplished. Jerry's a good pal of Woj's nemesis Stern, so I get the hate, and it has to go somewhere, even if ownership allowing this to happen is a huge issue. Maybe that was the plan all along. Hire a guy who wouldn't give a rip about being criticized for doing the league's bidding - can't have this tank-a-thon, get Jerry in there, a buffer for the owners, fall guy for muscling out Kinkie and hiring his son (quite the vetting process there, too, even the Nyets looked elsewhere and thoroughly after the King debacle, and ended up selecting a guy who's never been GM before over BC 'the best candidate on the market'. What. A. Load. Of. Waffle). Surprised BC is getting such a shine with Woj. Maybe he got good info from him in the past. Don't buy the 'hard worker' hype. He IS hard working. That's not to be equated with being a good GM. He's just not. Sorry Sixers fans, truly...
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Re: Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein 

Post#588 » by G R E Y » Thu Apr 7, 2016 11:30 pm

Westbrook36 wrote:Jerry Colangelo is a back-stabbing slimeball. I will never root for or support this organization as long as he and this ownership are in town. I hope they fail and feel nothing but pain and misery.

Oh they'll both be out soon enough. Jerry's old, and his job is all but done. Once the team shows some promise it will be sold to a billionaire who wants to be part of the exclusive 30. Then all you'll have to worry about is the one who's staying, and that's the most dreadful part.
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Re: Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein 

Post#589 » by Ericb5 » Thu Apr 7, 2016 11:31 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Hinkie has left the team in a great position to succeed in the near future. This current situation should be any GM's wet dream come true. Tons of cap space, young talent, assets, draft picks, potentially the no.1 overall pick in the upcoming draft...Yeah...It would be hard to screw this up. It's a shame the Brian Colangelo has been picked to take over the duties. We all knew something was up when his bastard daddy came aboard. I hated both the Colangelo and the D'Antoni additions to the team as surrogate babysitters. Something was off about it, and in return my trust for Harris's actual motive towards owning this team began to come into question. I don't like Harris at all...He has no passion towards building a winner in this city, this is all about lining his pockets..The same goes for the Colangelo family...Brian is back in business, he's got a little job security, daddy bailed him out yet again, but at the end of the day, these guys do not care about what happens to this team long term, nor do they care about this city or its fanbase.

What I don't understand the most is how Hinkie could duck out or subliminally be fired when we are right about to climb out of Hell? We hit rock bottom and stayed there for three years, and his plan was about to come into a clearing, and this happens. The whole thing reeks of Jerry Colangelos pretentious smug presence that he had once he arrived here. This truly IS ALL ABOUT MONEY at this point and nothing more. Brian was gift wrapped a GM's playground and Hinkie did all the dirty work, and now ColonJello will get all the credit if he can somehow manage to not screw this up, but that's aiming pretty high in my opinion. He should have never been able to get away with what he pulled in Toronto, the guy as a GM makes Billy King look like Jesus Christ. Absolutely no way in Hell...No excuse what so ever for letting Chris Bosh walk as a free agent, and had he handled things differently Bosh would have stayed in Toronto i'm sure. The Steve Nash thing would have only added to the colossal mound of stool he build in Toronto..he's lucky that didn't go through, but it was still his idea to attempt to acquire an over the hill Nash.

I do feel like we're going to have an exciting draft, simply because we will be getting some new talent, but I don't expect any notable free agent to be on board with signing here this summer, and say what you will about Hinkie...I think we would have acquired our "James Harden" this summer either via trade or free agency, because we were set up to do so no matter what path we took.

So with that said...I would like to give an early welcome to
Wayne Ellington 3 years 50 mil
Eric Gordon 5 years 100 mil
Jon Leuer 4 years 40 mil



The part about wondering why Hinkie would leave in this situation is obvious. He would be completely emasculated by having his power taken away, he wouldn't want to work for an organization that no longer supported his plan, and he is a 38 year old rich superstar that will have plenty of opportunities to kick ass in other things.

People with big time skills and abilities don't feel grateful for just having a job. They know what they can do, and will do it somewhere else.

Hinkie is famous for having brains, but what he also has are balls. He leaves with his dignity intact and will crop up somewhere else eventually. He will accomplish his goals someday because he knows what he wants, works hard, is passionate, and thinks through everything.


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Post#590 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Thu Apr 7, 2016 11:52 pm

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The part about wondering why Hinkie would leave in this situation is obvious. He would be completely emasculated by having his power taken away, he wouldn't want to work for an organization that no longer supported his plan, and he is a 38 year old rich superstar that will have plenty of opportunities to kick ass in other things.


Yeah I kinda knew that already...I was more or less questioning Harris, Colangelo and whoever else undermined Hinkie. I imagine it was being done behind closed doors.

People with big time skills and abilities don't feel grateful for just having a job. They know what they can do, and will do it somewhere else.


Yeah I completely agree with that statement.
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Re: Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein 

Post#591 » by marcush » Fri Apr 8, 2016 12:15 am

Lol, so not only did we identify the worst applicant but we then actually had to convince him to take this much sort after position . What a joke of a franchise.
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Re: Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein 

Post#592 » by spikeslovechild » Fri Apr 8, 2016 12:32 am

GREY 1769 wrote:
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spikeslovechild wrote:
This article is a joke.

Bryan didn't want a job from his daddy because of optics but couldn't get a job without him because he's terrible and everyone knows it.

So I'm supposed to feel better about this hire why?


My favorite part is that he didn't want to go to Philadelphia where they were loaded with talent and picks. He wanted to go to the Nets where he could prove himself. That was the **** article i have ever read. That was the best Jerry could do?

This part was a gem:

Truth be told, Colangelo never wanted the 76ers job. Never. He wanted no part of his father’s shadow again or the cries that he needed his father to give him a GM job.
Yet 76ers ownership, including O’Neil, convinced Bryan Colangelo that it believed he was the best candidate on the market.


Rrrriiiiiiiiight. Fact is, he couldn't get another NBA job without his father. If he hated going to Philly so much, all he had to do was say NO! But this angle is needed because he'll be there longer than his father, whose job is just about done: assets acquired, son hired, mission accomplished. Jerry's a good pal of Woj's nemesis Stern, so I get the hate, and it has to go somewhere, even if ownership allowing this to happen is a huge issue. Maybe that was the plan all along. Hire a guy who wouldn't give a rip about being criticized for doing the league's bidding - can't have this tank-a-thon, get Jerry in there, a buffer for the owners, fall guy for muscling out Kinkie and hiring his son (quite the vetting process there, too, even the Nyets looked elsewhere and thoroughly after the King debacle, and ended up selecting a guy who's never been GM before over BC 'the best candidate on the market'. What. A. Load. Of. Waffle). Surprised BC is getting such a shine with Woj. Maybe he got good info from him in the past. Don't buy the 'hard worker' hype. He IS hard working. That's not to be equated with being a good GM. He's just not. Sorry Sixers fans, truly...


Here's the main problem with the logic irrespective of what BC goals and motivations are which I frankly could care less about the fact of the matter is the Nets turned him down. The Nets. I mean it's not like well regarded executives around the league are running over one another trying to get interviews for the job.

So if he isn't good enough for the Nets who can't afford to be as choosy. Why is he good enough for the Sixers who can? Why aren't we going through a normal interview process and bringing in top candidates like Zarren. Travis Schlenk. Troy Weaver.

Because this was never about Hinkie. This was about JC getting a job for his son. I always thought it strange JC accepted the position to begin with I mean as far as we know he didn't receive stock options or a share in the team like West so why did he sign on? I think this was the plan from day one -- err -- I can almost guarantee it was. JC took the job so he could find a job for his son.

Which is depressing because when he signed on I really valued experience and his potential contribution to any sort of collaboration process. Remember when the Wolves were shopping Love? West killed the deal with Thompson included. JC while not on the level of West is pretty damn close. I was hoping that he would help Hinkie with the transition away from the draft after this year and to recruiting free agents and evaluating trades. He has a pretty deep network to players and agents from running team usa afterall.

He could have been a tremendous asset to Hinkie and the Sixers. Instead he choose to undermine him at every turn in the media and privately. It really is sad not only for JC but also for BC and finally for the ownership. This will only end one way.
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Post#593 » by WVU » Fri Apr 8, 2016 12:51 am

Just reading multiple other team forums on here and seeing them talk about obtaining all of our young talent makes me so sad. Because Jerry's kid is gonna do the inevitable and make his own imprint on this team with his own players. Ugh.
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Post#594 » by G R E Y » Fri Apr 8, 2016 12:53 am

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My favorite part is that he didn't want to go to Philadelphia where they were loaded with talent and picks. He wanted to go to the Nets where he could prove himself. That was the **** article i have ever read. That was the best Jerry could do?

This part was a gem:

Truth be told, Colangelo never wanted the 76ers job. Never. He wanted no part of his father’s shadow again or the cries that he needed his father to give him a GM job.
Yet 76ers ownership, including O’Neil, convinced Bryan Colangelo that it believed he was the best candidate on the market.


Rrrriiiiiiiiight. Fact is, he couldn't get another NBA job without his father. If he hated going to Philly so much, all he had to do was say NO! But this angle is needed because he'll be there longer than his father, whose job is just about done: assets acquired, son hired, mission accomplished. Jerry's a good pal of Woj's nemesis Stern, so I get the hate, and it has to go somewhere, even if ownership allowing this to happen is a huge issue. Maybe that was the plan all along. Hire a guy who wouldn't give a rip about being criticized for doing the league's bidding - can't have this tank-a-thon, get Jerry in there, a buffer for the owners, fall guy for muscling out Kinkie and hiring his son (quite the vetting process there, too, even the Nyets looked elsewhere and thoroughly after the King debacle, and ended up selecting a guy who's never been GM before over BC 'the best candidate on the market'. What. A. Load. Of. Waffle). Surprised BC is getting such a shine with Woj. Maybe he got good info from him in the past. Don't buy the 'hard worker' hype. He IS hard working. That's not to be equated with being a good GM. He's just not. Sorry Sixers fans, truly...


Here's the main problem with the logic irrespective of what BC goals and motivations are which I frankly could care less about the fact of the matter is the Nets turned him down. The Nets. I mean it's not like well regarded executives around the league are running over one another trying to get interviews for the job.

So if he isn't good enough for the Nets who can't afford to be as choosy. Why is he good enough for the Sixers who can? Why aren't we going through a normal interview process and bringing in top candidates like Zarren. Travis Schlenk. Troy Weaver.

Because this was never about Hinkie. This was about JC getting a job for his son. I always thought it strange JC accepted the position to begin with I mean as far as we know he didn't receive stock options or a share in the team like West so why did he sign on? I think this was the plan from day one -- err -- I can almost guarantee it was. JC took the job so he could find a job for his son.

Which is depressing because when he signed on I really valued experience and his potential contribution to any sort of collaboration process. Remember when the Wolves were shopping Love? West killed the deal with Thompson included. JC while not on the level of West is pretty damn close. I was hoping that he would help Hinkie with the transition away from the draft after this year and to recruiting free agents and evaluating trades. He has a pretty deep network to players and agents from running team usa afterall.

He could have been a tremendous asset to Hinkie and the Sixers. Instead he choose to undermine him at every turn in the media and privately. It really is sad not only for JC but also for BC and finally for the ownership. This will only end one way.

Spot on. The more I think about it, the more I think the league had a hand in JC going to Philly and to orchestrate just what is transpiring. Not necessarily for BC to take over - that's an ancillary benefit to the Colangelo clan, and a compromise the ownership has to live with - but to get Hinkie out of there because he took full advantage of the tanking system. NBA hates that it's getting exposed, and that short of changing the system itself, it has to get rid of the best worst example. Now on the brink of full on tanking paying dividends, they get another guy in for an 'accelerated' something or other, this when the previous guy SHOULD get credit because he got rid of bad contracts and stockpiled assets. It's a perfect **** position that not even BC can screw up, at least not initially, and so he'll get credit for saving the franchise, when it's really the turning point of Hinkie's plan reaping benefits. Can't have that. It shows up the loophole in the NBA's system.
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Post#595 » by Raid843 » Fri Apr 8, 2016 1:35 am

WVU wrote:Just reading multiple other team forums on here and seeing them talk about obtaining all of our young talent makes me so sad. Because Jerry's kid is gonna do the inevitable and make his own imprint on this team with his own players. Ugh.


Can you please point me in the direction of which teams' forums I can find these threads? I don't feel like searching myself
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Post#596 » by WVU » Fri Apr 8, 2016 1:51 am

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WVU wrote:Just reading multiple other team forums on here and seeing them talk about obtaining all of our young talent makes me so sad. Because Jerry's kid is gonna do the inevitable and make his own imprint on this team with his own players. Ugh.


Can you please point me in the direction of which teams' forums I can find these threads? I don't feel like searching myself


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Post#597 » by Rjpscr » Fri Apr 8, 2016 2:19 am

Still going to be a Sixers fan no matter what and Im going to give BC a chance. Sam left him with a lot of cap money and draft picks. Im not freaking out like its the last day on earth and dont get me wrong I like Sam he done a lot for the 76ers but in the end there are no guarantees that his plan would of put us contending for titles in the long run imo.
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Post#598 » by NYSixersFan » Fri Apr 8, 2016 2:27 am

The best analysis I hear of Hinkie is that he's a guy that can get you from point A to B; which in this case was the tear down, but he won't get you from point B to C and beyond.

You can talk about the "process" and bad luck all you want, but when you don't value veteran leadership, a Point Guard and communication, you should not be a GM in the NBA...or any league.
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Post#599 » by freshie2 » Fri Apr 8, 2016 2:35 am

Had they not shown significant progress next year, i would have pulled the trigger, but this just seems too nepotistic in the timing. BC really has a layup in front of him, but the expectation has to remain a decade of success and not a 2-3 year run...that is what I felt Hinkie was building towards. That remains the measure of success. Everyone that wanted to rush this was satisfied with mediocrity...I just hope they don't get their wish.
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Post#600 » by sixers23 » Fri Apr 8, 2016 2:36 am

NYSixersFan wrote:The best analysis I hear of Hinkie is that he's a guy that can get you from point A to B; which in this case was the tear down, but he won't get you from point B to C and beyond.

You can talk about the "process" and bad luck all you want, but when you don't value veteran leadership, a Point Guard and communication, you should not be a GM in the NBA...or any league.

except none of that has been proven one bit

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