Jeff Teague for Nerlens Noel discussed, not imminent

[Kobblehead]

Any rumors out there where Hinkie is getting a job?

When the commissioner of the league essentially spearheads a hostile takeover of an organization to remove you from your position, the odds of you rebounding from that are Okafor-esche.

Hinkie may be able to get back into a front office down the line, but he's too hot right now.

[LongLiveHinkie]

A lot of the supposed "tension" was media agenda trying to make Hinkie look bad. The only time Brett Brown was maybe a little peeved was with MCW, but he obviously quickly learned how overrated MCW is.

[Chamberlainship]

The lottery party is held by Spike Eskin and Michael Levin of Liberty Ballers and the RTRS podcast, it's quite pro-Hinkie.

Also, supposedly when Hinkie re-signed Brett Brown, Jerry Colangelo was quite upset.

Do they make money off the tanking?

I guess I'd be pro-tank too if I was making some money off of it.

Whatever the case, I'm glad they're driving interest in the sixers and NBA basketball in Philadelphia.

[sixers23]

The lottery party is held by Spike Eskin and Michael Levin of Liberty Ballers and the RTRS podcast, it's quite pro-Hinkie.

Also, supposedly when Hinkie re-signed Brett Brown, Jerry Colangelo was quite upset.

Do they make money off the tanking?

I guess I'd be pro-tank too if I was making some money off of it.

Whatever the case, I'm glad they're driving interest in the sixers and NBA basketball in Philadelphia.

they do not make any money off it

[Aussiepiston1]

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2016/6/4/11856520/jeff-teague-trade-kicker-salary-cap-atlanta-hawks?_ga=1.42595047.377536139.1439804783

Would you trade noel for Teague on a 26, 18, 18 ,18 deal? Teague at 18 with the cap going up looks great for next summer

I still think Atlanta would have to throw in the 21st pick plus Minnesota's protected pick which someone said they owned for Noel and Covington. Plus it would have to wait until draft day to see whether or not the player we like is there at #21 or we get a better offer for Noel (#6 from NOH or Brandon Knight and #13 from Phoenix)
Either way there has to be more involved unless Junior has a crystal ball and Teague turns into the next Kyle Lowry and Noel into Robin Lopez

[Sportfan73]

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2016/6/4/11856520/jeff-teague-trade-kicker-salary-cap-atlanta-hawks?_ga=1.42595047.377536139.1439804783

Would you trade noel for Teague on a 26, 18, 18 ,18 deal? Teague at 18 with the cap going up looks great for next summer

It needs to be a bit less though, something like:

2016-2017: $26M
2017-2018: $16M
2018-2019: $15M
2019-2020: $14M
Total over next 4 years: $71M (avg. $17.75M/yr)

versus say he got $21M/yr on a new deal as a FA (3 yrs $63M total), then he'd be looking at:

2016-2017: $8M (last year of his current contract)
2017-2018: $21M
2018-2019: $21M
2019-2020: $21M
Total over next 4 years: $71M (avg. $17.75M/yr)

By taking the front-loaded extension with us now, he avoids the risk of injury or decline. He also forgoes a shot at getting a contract starting at $30M/yr in 2017 offseason. Basically he is taking less risk for less reward.

Something like this is the ONLY way this deal makes any sense. It would also help us spend to the cap floor this season, which is around $83M based on a $92M cap. Right now we're only around $30M (before the cost of Simmons, Saric, #24 and #26, which I assume would add around $10M more to take us up to around $40M).

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/philadelphia-76ers/yearly/cap/

I agree it would have to be a little lower, but I really like the concept.

[Chamberlainship]

The lottery party is held by Spike Eskin and Michael Levin of Liberty Ballers and the RTRS podcast, it's quite pro-Hinkie.

Also, supposedly when Hinkie re-signed Brett Brown, Jerry Colangelo was quite upset.

Do they make money off the tanking?

I guess I'd be pro-tank too if I was making some money off of it.

Whatever the case, I'm glad they're driving interest in the sixers and NBA basketball in Philadelphia.

they do not make any money off it

My bad then.

It looked like there was a decent amount of people there.

[SelfishPlayer]

Stauskas can shoot from 2 feet, 10 feet, 15 feet or 22 feet. He blows. He's just not a good NBA player, and in a few years no one will even remember he exists or that he was even a Sixer.

Pretty much... Rodney Buford anyone?

[spikeslovechild]

The problem with Stauskas is he can't shoot. His shot is a mess. He is already a liability on one side of the floor do to his footspeed.

Kind of reminds me of Adam Morrison to be honest. I was high on him when we acquired him but sometimes you need to see a player first hand to realize what a mess they are.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

i think okafor brings nothing to a winning team unless hes happy playing 15 minutes a game

Oh well, I totally respect your opinion, even if I vehemently disagree with it. Guy was a top three pick, you make him sound like Anthony Bennett.

didnt say he is anthony bennett but he is one of those players you cant win with. Even if he becomes a star in stats he will be a carmelo type you cant build a winner around

I said you make him sound like Anthony Bennett, and we never won anything with Allen Iverson...Are you saying Iverson had empty stats and you would have rather not had him here? Show me legitimate proof that states that you cannot build a winning team with Jahlil Okafor a part of. Keep in mind, I agree with you....Building around him is not the best idea, but please...Tell me why he can't be part of a core that wins.

[Sixerscan]

Do you put a lot of faith in fan polls on philly.com?

I'm not going to do my own polling, so I kinda have to rely on what I see and hear in the community here in the Philadelphia area. What I heard was a lot of laughter whenever the Sixers were brought up.

if you don't belive me, do you believe the owner of the sixers? Don't you think he has some sort of fan-interest metrics he uses before making decisions about management?

Amazing position? We just finished the worst three years in NBA history. I love the summer time. The sixers always seem to be in an amazing positon in the summer. Fall, Winter, and Spring, not so much.

It's kind of tough to gauge because presumably a lot of the people that Hinkie pissed off probably stopped following the team because of that. Do those people "count"? They probably should. But I don't know how much of them are "anti process" as much as "anti following a team that loses 85% of their games"

Certainly the sponsors and the companies that buy club boxes hated it.

I think it's safe to say he's a fairly polarizing figure. That lottery party had a lot of people at it. The Ricky Podcast has been top 30 or whatever Sports Podcast on iTunes. It's weird that something like that could have gotten more successful while a team was so crappy. I'm not sure if that sort of stuff would be possible if everyone hated the guy, the process etc. It's not just us weirdos on the internet.

you're right that it's tough to gauge. Hinkie has a lot of fans. every time I came to Realgm there was some new poster named Hinkie4evr or something who was calling me a grandpa for doubting the process.

But the lottery party was after he got fired, right? Hinkie's relegation breathed some life back into the franchise. A ton of fans had checked out because of the tanking.

I was pretty jacked to start following the team again once they put Hinkie into the proper role of chief of analytics and coffee. Sad that he couldn't accept that role. Does anyone know what he's doing now?

The lottery party was done by the ricky podcast. They advertised it with a billboard with hinkies face on it, gave out shirts with hinkies face on them, people chanted "thank you hinkie" after we won etc. It takes some serious mental gymnastics to say that party wasn't pro hinkie.

[Ericb5]

The problem with Stauskas is he can't shoot. His shot is a mess. He is already a liability on one side of the floor do to his footspeed.

Kind of reminds me of Adam Morrison to be honest. I was high on him when we acquired him but sometimes you need to see a player first hand to realize what a mess they are.

The problem with Stauskus is that he CAN shoot. He just can't do it in NBA games consistently for some reason.

If he is reduced to just a catch and shooter that plays only 15-20 minutes a game then maybe he can get his mojo back.

Watch him that last year at Michigan. He HAD mojo at one point, and could DEFINITELY shoot.


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[Chamberlainship]

It's kind of tough to gauge because presumably a lot of the people that Hinkie pissed off probably stopped following the team because of that. Do those people "count"? They probably should. But I don't know how much of them are "anti process" as much as "anti following a team that loses 85% of their games"

Certainly the sponsors and the companies that buy club boxes hated it.

I think it's safe to say he's a fairly polarizing figure. That lottery party had a lot of people at it. The Ricky Podcast has been top 30 or whatever Sports Podcast on iTunes. It's weird that something like that could have gotten more successful while a team was so crappy. I'm not sure if that sort of stuff would be possible if everyone hated the guy, the process etc. It's not just us weirdos on the internet.

you're right that it's tough to gauge. Hinkie has a lot of fans. every time I came to Realgm there was some new poster named Hinkie4evr or something who was calling me a grandpa for doubting the process.

But the lottery party was after he got fired, right? Hinkie's relegation breathed some life back into the franchise. A ton of fans had checked out because of the tanking.

I was pretty jacked to start following the team again once they put Hinkie into the proper role of chief of analytics and coffee. Sad that he couldn't accept that role. Does anyone know what he's doing now?

The lottery party was done by the ricky podcast. They advertised it with a billboard with hinkies face on it, gave out shirts with hinkies face on them, people chanted "thank you hinkie" after we won etc. It takes some serious mental gymnastics to say that party wasn't pro hinkie.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2016/5/16/11685706/the-2016-rights-to-ricky-sanchez-liberty-ballers-lottery-party-come


"The Sixers have the opportunity to end up with the 1st and 4th overall picks, in addition to #24 and #26 they're guaranteed. We will put aside our Processy/Prokaforic differences and band together in hopes that this whack-ass organization gets a little lucky. We need it. The Sixers might not deserve it, but we sure as hell do. Come flip **** with other Strapazoids either way."

I would've probably gone to that, and I have issues with the tank. After a couple of beers and winning the #1 pick, I would've been chanting along with whatever. Being part of the mob is part of the fun of being a fan. I'm not sure all this proves anything more than some philly.com poll. Also, the money went to charity, according to that flyer.

[BarkleyFan]

Jeff Teague rumors - a few big picture things to consider:

1) We are shopping Noel and/or Okafor. The positives of this can't be overstated - we are drafting Ben Simmons who from day one will be the closest player to Lebron besides Lebron. Like the rest of us, I was just praying to get a top 2 pick and told myself I would be super excited with either Simmons or Ingram. As soon as we got the #1 pick though, I knew I wanted Simmons. Second, and just as important, the Sixers organization is confident Embiid is healthy. That can change but they know what the doctors are telling them and they are excited about the possibilities.

2) This is something I never understood - so many people say you can't trade Noel or Okafor until you know if Embiid is healthy. Noel and Okafor proved this past season they don't play well with each other - we knew that while Embiid was still out. Either one would be a good fit with Embiid. If Embiid doesn't come back healthy, we already know they don't compliment each other well.

3) You can go through every team in the league and pick a player or two from that team that would be a decent fit and value to trade either Okafor or Noel for. For Atlanta, it's Jeff Teague.

4) We know that Atlanta has a very high price tag on Teague - to them, Noel is equal value. Besides, Jeff Teague is a good player - and will continue to be one over the next four to five seasons. Besides, we don't know the details of the trade if it happened. The trade would not be Teague for Noel, Stauskas and Covington - and will never know until if/when it actually happens.

5)Management has already said we don't want to continue to develop a bunch of young players at the same time. Therefore, it would surprise me more if we traded for a second lottery pick then if we traded for an established player.

6)You aren't going to get as much for Noel as for Okafor. Why? Yes he will get paid sooner - but the biggest reason is he's not as good a player as Okafor. This is like my previously mentioned Simmons/Ingram debate about being happy with either one - until it's time to make a decision. Same with these two - I know we need to trade one - and am happy with either one until your feet are to the fire - and I want to keep Okafor. You can look at all the graphs that Liberty Ballers and Derek Bodner put out there that you want, but Okafor is legit. Philly will trade Okafor if the deal is good enough, but I believe they would rather trade Noel.

[Sixerscan]

you're right that it's tough to gauge. Hinkie has a lot of fans. every time I came to Realgm there was some new poster named Hinkie4evr or something who was calling me a grandpa for doubting the process.

But the lottery party was after he got fired, right? Hinkie's relegation breathed some life back into the franchise. A ton of fans had checked out because of the tanking.

I was pretty jacked to start following the team again once they put Hinkie into the proper role of chief of analytics and coffee. Sad that he couldn't accept that role. Does anyone know what he's doing now?

The lottery party was done by the ricky podcast. They advertised it with a billboard with hinkies face on it, gave out shirts with hinkies face on them, people chanted "thank you hinkie" after we won etc. It takes some serious mental gymnastics to say that party wasn't pro hinkie.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2016/5/16/11685706/the-2016-rights-to-ricky-sanchez-liberty-ballers-lottery-party-come


"The Sixers have the opportunity to end up with the 1st and 4th overall picks, in addition to #24 and #26 they're guaranteed. We will put aside our Processy/Prokaforic differences and band together in hopes that this whack-ass organization gets a little lucky. We need it. The Sixers might not deserve it, but we sure as hell do. Come flip **** with other Strapazoids either way."

I would've probably gone to that, and I have issues with the tank. After a couple of beers and winning the #1 pick, I would've been chanting along with whatever. Being part of the mob is part of the fun of being a fan. I'm not sure all this proves anything more than some philly.com poll. Also, the money went to charity, according to that flyer.

Like I said, mental gymnastics.

[HartfordWhalers]

Like I said, mental gymnastics.

When GS shows you can build around Iguodala, this is nothing.

[76ciology]

I'm just happy that media is defending Noel to the point that it will make people appreciate him and increase his trade value.

Yes, he has GOAT level defensive metrics among guys under 2 seasons of experience.

Carried the team's defense playing among the worst defenders in the entire league.

Now, what can we get for him? Teague? Pass.

You don't want Okafor because he can't defend. Give us and himself another season to prove he's a two way player.

[sixers23]

Oh well, I totally respect your opinion, even if I vehemently disagree with it. Guy was a top three pick, you make him sound like Anthony Bennett.

didnt say he is anthony bennett but he is one of those players you cant win with. Even if he becomes a star in stats he will be a carmelo type you cant build a winner around

I said you make him sound like Anthony Bennett, and we never won anything with Allen Iverson...Are you saying Iverson had empty stats and you would have rather not had him here? Show me legitimate proof that states that you cannot build a winning team with Jahlil Okafor a part of. Keep in mind, I agree with you....Building around him is not the best idea, but please...Tell me why he can't be part of a core that wins.

bc hes a center who does nothing well on defense or rebounds the ball which are musts for a center

[spikeslovechild]

The problem with Stauskas is he can't shoot. His shot is a mess. He is already a liability on one side of the floor do to his footspeed.

Kind of reminds me of Adam Morrison to be honest. I was high on him when we acquired him but sometimes you need to see a player first hand to realize what a mess they are.

The problem with Stauskus is that he CAN shoot. He just can't do it in NBA games consistently for some reason.

If he is reduced to just a catch and shooter that plays only 15-20 minutes a game then maybe he can get his mojo back.

Watch him that last year at Michigan. He HAD mojo at one point, and could DEFINITELY shoot.


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Well he hasn't demonstrated that in NBA games. Morrison never didn't either. I'm fine with keeping him but he's not playing 15-20 minutes a game. I'm sticking him at the end of the bench and he'll have to earn more minutes in the limited opportunities he is given.

[Chamberlainship]

Like I said, mental gymnastics.

When GS shows you can build around Iguodala, this is nothing.

Fans who like both the sixers and the celtics probably know mental gymnastics when they see it.

It may be better for Hinkie to have a dedicated small following anyway. His fans are certainly dedicated.