Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[Mik317]

Both of those teams have a lot of old and/or injury prone dudes in important spots. Hell Kryie may not even play home games with the vaccine rules in NY lol.

...the issue is tho...that the two finals teams are also right there. And we lost to the goddam Hawks.

So there is that lol

[Mik317]

also is it very funny that this probably still ends up as a Ben for Cj trade....after all this time lol

[Negrodamus]

I wonder if Morey is going to insist we get future-Sixer-and-pseudo-Wiggins D'Angelo Russell from the Wolves in the trade.

[Negrodamus]

Fentress: Should the Blazers struggle and things aren’t working out, I could see a scenario where Lillard backs the Blazers into a corner and wants out before the trade deadline. However, I’m more inclined to believe that any potential Lillard deal wouldn’t take place until next summer should Portland fail once again to make a major deal to acquire another star...However, one major problem here is that Simmons has reportedly said he does not want to play in Portland. That would be a huge turn off for the Blazers. The last thing they’d want to do is trade Lillard for a potential headache.

Mizell: OK, let’s close the Lillard door and open the McCollum one, since that seems far more realistic heading into training camp and the season. McCollum’s name has swirled in trade rumors for years. Would a swap for Simmons be an ideal scenario for the Blazers to break up their longtime backcourt?

Fentress: Yes! I wrote 2,000 words on why I would trade McCollum for Simmons in a heartbeat. I love the fit for both teams. However, I’ve been told by some within the Blazers organization that they are not sure how well Simmons and Lillard would fit together. Simmons wants to play the Magic Johnson role, which requires having the ball in his hands. Well, that’s Lillard’s job. I could see Lillard playing off the ball more often but in the end, it’s his team and he will want the ball the majority of the time. That would force Simmons to play a role he isn’t used to.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/pgqjca/fentress_ive_been_told_by_some_within_the_blazers/

I actually think a DLO trade seems more likely if that's the case.

[eyeatoma]

Okay, time for final predictions.

What is the trade that happens?

Do we get Lillard?
Do we get McCollum and picks, or McCollum and Cov?

Do we get Beasley, McDaniels and Picks?
Do we get Edwards?

Do we get Fox?
Do we get Halliburton, Bagley and picks?
Do we get Hield, Bagley and Picks?

My favorite, and still not sure why this isn't being discussed
Do we get SGA?

Do we get Lavine?

[Sportfan73]

Fentress: Should the Blazers struggle and things aren’t working out, I could see a scenario where Lillard backs the Blazers into a corner and wants out before the trade deadline. However, I’m more inclined to believe that any potential Lillard deal wouldn’t take place until next summer should Portland fail once again to make a major deal to acquire another star...However, one major problem here is that Simmons has reportedly said he does not want to play in Portland. That would be a huge turn off for the Blazers. The last thing they’d want to do is trade Lillard for a potential headache.

Mizell: OK, let’s close the Lillard door and open the McCollum one, since that seems far more realistic heading into training camp and the season. McCollum’s name has swirled in trade rumors for years. Would a swap for Simmons be an ideal scenario for the Blazers to break up their longtime backcourt?

Fentress: Yes! I wrote 2,000 words on why I would trade McCollum for Simmons in a heartbeat. I love the fit for both teams. However, I’ve been told by some within the Blazers organization that they are not sure how well Simmons and Lillard would fit together. Simmons wants to play the Magic Johnson role, which requires having the ball in his hands. Well, that’s Lillard’s job. I could see Lillard playing off the ball more often but in the end, it’s his team and he will want the ball the majority of the time. That would force Simmons to play a role he isn’t used to.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/pgqjca/fentress_ive_been_told_by_some_within_the_blazers/

I actually think a DLO trade seems more likely if that's the case.

This doesn’t seem like a rock solid source here. Dame literally liked a post about it

[Sportfan73]

Okay, time for final predictions.

What is the trade that happens?

Do we get Lillard?
Do we get McCollum and picks, or McCollum and Cov?

Do we get Beasley, McDaniels and Picks?
Do we get Edwards?

Do we get Fox?
Do we get Halliburton, Bagley and picks?
Do we get Hield, Bagley and Picks?

My favorite, and still not sure why this isn't being discussed
Do we get SGA?

Do we get Lavine?

I think we get not a just picks package. We get one of Cj, Brogdon, Dlo, Or Sexton. SGA is no where near available and nor is Lavine for now

[Negrodamus]

Fentress: Should the Blazers struggle and things aren’t working out, I could see a scenario where Lillard backs the Blazers into a corner and wants out before the trade deadline. However, I’m more inclined to believe that any potential Lillard deal wouldn’t take place until next summer should Portland fail once again to make a major deal to acquire another star...However, one major problem here is that Simmons has reportedly said he does not want to play in Portland. That would be a huge turn off for the Blazers. The last thing they’d want to do is trade Lillard for a potential headache.

Mizell: OK, let’s close the Lillard door and open the McCollum one, since that seems far more realistic heading into training camp and the season. McCollum’s name has swirled in trade rumors for years. Would a swap for Simmons be an ideal scenario for the Blazers to break up their longtime backcourt?

Fentress: Yes! I wrote 2,000 words on why I would trade McCollum for Simmons in a heartbeat. I love the fit for both teams. However, I’ve been told by some within the Blazers organization that they are not sure how well Simmons and Lillard would fit together. Simmons wants to play the Magic Johnson role, which requires having the ball in his hands. Well, that’s Lillard’s job. I could see Lillard playing off the ball more often but in the end, it’s his team and he will want the ball the majority of the time. That would force Simmons to play a role he isn’t used to.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/pgqjca/fentress_ive_been_told_by_some_within_the_blazers/

I actually think a DLO trade seems more likely if that's the case.

This doesn’t seem like a rock solid source here. Dame literally liked a post about it

This doesn't say that Lillard is against the trade, it's saying that the organization is concerned about Ben's desire to be ball dominant and how that could cause rifts down the road.

[eyeatoma]

Okay, time for final predictions.

What is the trade that happens?

Do we get Lillard?
Do we get McCollum and picks, or McCollum and Cov?

Do we get Beasley, McDaniels and Picks?
Do we get Edwards?

Do we get Fox?
Do we get Halliburton, Bagley and picks?
Do we get Hield, Bagley and Picks?

My favorite, and still not sure why this isn't being discussed
Do we get SGA?

Do we get Lavine?

I think we get not a just picks package. We get one of Cj, Brogdon, Dlo, Or Sexton. SGA is no where near available and nor is Lavine for now

Forgot about Brogdon. Would be okay with him if he weren't so injury prone.

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[HotelVitale]

Okay, time for final predictions.

What is the trade that happens?

Do we get Lillard?
Do we get McCollum and picks, or McCollum and Cov?

Do we get Beasley, McDaniels and Picks?
Do we get Edwards?

Do we get Fox?
Do we get Halliburton, Bagley and picks?
Do we get Hield, Bagley and Picks?
My favorite, and still not sure why this isn't being discussed
Do we get SGA?

Do we get Lavine?

The only ones that I feel okay predicting right now are the junk ones like Beasley and picks, or Hield/Bagley and picks. Timing is really rough now--there's so much doubt/uncertainty around Simmons, and teams aren't desperate and needing to make changes to try to salvage season goals etc. It seems like there's just no motive for teams to make vaguely equal talent proposals, and my guess is no one's willing to start putting those higher-talent pieces like Fox or even CJ on the table which might start a bidding war. Everyone's seeing what they have as at least as good a plan as Simmons+the risk he brings for the time being.

[Negrodamus]

Okay, time for final predictions.

What is the trade that happens?

Do we get Lillard?
Do we get McCollum and picks, or McCollum and Cov?

Do we get Beasley, McDaniels and Picks?
Do we get Edwards?

Do we get Fox?
Do we get Halliburton, Bagley and picks?
Do we get Hield, Bagley and Picks?

My favorite, and still not sure why this isn't being discussed
Do we get SGA?

Do we get Lavine?

I don't know, my mind keeps changing. At the moment, I'm thinking D'Angelo Russell and something like 3 future pick swaps or picks for Ben. I feel like the T'Wolves are going to talk themselves into a KAT/Simmons featured lineup and feel Russell is expendable with Ben's passing and Edwards perimeter scoring.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I'm crazy and this may sound dumb, but I'd be excited about Russell coming here at this point.

[whatisacenter]

I'm crazy and this may sound dumb, but I'd be excited about Russell coming here at this point.

I had hopes when he came to the Warriors but they were quickly dashed. no athleticism and played the worst defense I have seen. I would have been thrilled with a Wiggins for dLo trade straight up and still can't believe they got a top 3 protected pick(Kuminga) as well.

you would be better off with CJ, or anyone from the Kings or Spurs in my opinion.

[SpreeChokeJob]

I'm crazy and this may sound dumb, but I'd be excited about Russell coming here at this point.

If you trade for Russell, might as well trade away Embiid because that’s the next person who’s going to ask out.

[Negrodamus]

I'm crazy and this may sound dumb, but I'd be excited about Russell coming here at this point.

If you trade for Russell, might as well trade away Embiid because that’s the next person who’s going to ask out.

I'm not terribly interested in Russell, but they are friends from playing together. I think they compliment each other's game well, but I don't think we'll be any farther/closer to a championship than we are with Ben.

[KramerDSP]

Okay, time for final predictions.

What is the trade that happens?

We have no shot at Shai, and I can’t see us getting Lilliard or Lavine. McCollum seems likely, but only if Harris is going out. For Simmons, I think it is between the Kings and the Wolves. For Minn, I think Morey is deciding between Beasley and all the picks or Russell and some of the picks. For the Kings, I think they win if they pony up Fox and that they are Morey’s last phone call before he pulls the trigger with Minnesota. The Spurs also seem like a super dark horse candidate that swoops in at the last moment.

The way I look at it, I am for as many unprotected or lightly protected picks/swaps as possible. So if it’s Russell and two nice picks or it’s sans Russell, has two lightly protected picks, and two lottery protected picks, I think I prefer the former. Mind you, if the Kinga relent and give us Fox, I am all for the Kings trade.

[KramerDSP]

I'm crazy and this may sound dumb, but I'd be excited about Russell coming here at this point.

If you trade for Russell, might as well trade away Embiid because that’s the next person who’s going to ask out.

I'm not terribly interested in Russell, but they are friends from playing together. I think they compliment each other's game well, but I don't think we'll be any farther/closer to a championship than we are with Ben.

I thought Wiggins was the guy Embiid played with.

[Negrodamus]

This was on the T'Wolves board for those that want some red meat:

FWIW, here's the latest from NBASupes (Hawksquawk):

Just got an update this morning.

Philly is calling Klutch's bluff on Maxey. That said, Philly does realize they will likely have to trade Simmons and that he likely won't play another game with Philly. They come to that agreement. It seems like they are willing to hold out and want to see how things shake out. If they are getting picks, they want a lack of chemistry to get the best possible picks. He says the four teams that have the best shot at Simmons are POR, MIN, CLE, and DAL. Teams outside of the mix are TOR, SAC, and Utah. As of right now, the best players available are McCollum, Sexton, Porzingis, Hield, Ingles, Clarkson, and FVV. What would intrigue PHI is Fox, Haliburton, Siakam, Okoro, Mobley, Barnes, Lillard, Covington, Russell, and O.G. A.

He basically said, right now, the current market seems a tad underwhelming compared to around the draft. This could be a massive miscalculation from PHI. They really didn't think Simmons would sit out and not report even if they knew it could happen.

Based on what he is saying, he thinks PHI will wait till DEC to make a trade no matter what just to see what the best offer is at that time. Maybe someone is desperate and the picks have more meaning then. PHI is playing with fire because Maxey is someone they value a lot and this is really screwing up any potential moves for Simmons.

I did not hear any details of Miami or San Antonio in the mix for Simmons. I've already said LAL and ATL are out on Simmons but both were in during draft season. Most of the teams who were in on Simmons still are in. DAL is a new addition, they are in as well and willing to trade KP and picks for Simmons.

Almost forgot, Houston is a team that's also outside the mix but their limited in what they are willing to offer. I heard it's not much value.

Yep, they been getting draft picks offered as well. The biggest issue is three things

1. Simmons contract

2. His fit in the modern NBA playoffs

3. His willingness to improve



It's really limiting his market. Honestly, PHI wouldn't trade Simmons if he wasn't completely done with Philadelphia. The market just ain't what they want it to be. Its loaded with non playoff teams offering B tier players and protected 1sts. MIN is the only teams willing to offer lightly protected 1sts but the value really isn't that intriguing for now. Maybe it will be in December.

[Negrodamus]

If you trade for Russell, might as well trade away Embiid because that’s the next person who’s going to ask out.

I'm not terribly interested in Russell, but they are friends from playing together. I think they compliment each other's game well, but I don't think we'll be any farther/closer to a championship than we are with Ben.

I thought Wiggins was the guy Embiid played with.

He played with Wiggins at Kansas. In HS at Monteverde, he played with Russell (who also played with Ben, too).

[HotelVitale]

also is it very funny that this probably still ends up as a Ben for Cj trade....after all this time lol

I don't think Portland can risk that, since PDX's #1 aim this year is to make Dame as happy as possible. CJ's a hardworking dude who gets along great with Dame, and Simmons is a strange personality who disappears in big moments. I get that things could break right for them with Ben but I don't think that possible benefit there is worth the risk, especially since there's not that great of a chance that the end result is significantly better with Simmons than CJ.

Also the main thing in Ben's favor here--him being 5 years younger than CJ--doesn't matter as much to PDX given Dame's age.