The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread

[Mik317]

Doc would be fine if Morey didn't basically speed up the team building aspect due to trading for Harden.

A lot of the angst is that we kinda need to win in the next few years and Doc's idiosyncrasies might prevent us from doing so. And by the time he's gone..,Harden will be even more washed, Biid might be looking for better pastures (or retire lol) and it will be too late for the new guy to truly fix things.

[sixers4real]

Doc would be fine if Morey didn't basically speed up the team building aspect due to trading for Harden.

A lot of the angst is that we kinda need to win in the next few years and Doc's idiosyncrasies might prevent us from doing so. And by the time he's gone..,Harden will be even more washed, Biid might be looking for better pastures (or retire lol) and it will be too late for the new guy to truly fix things.

I can only see Doc surviving more then one year here if we make it to the ECF 2023.

If is a semis exit again next season, Doc’s gone

[M2J]

Most coaches don't win with the same team if they haven't done so by year 3 (very few have, I think that Billy Cunningham with Philly and Doc are some of the few to do so in history) so I would say he probably should want to leave at that point.

Morey has some work to do to make this roster work. After that crappy flameout from Harden in the playoffs, for no good reason...it's hard to believe that the vets are going to be clamoring to join this team for the minimum.

I would be disappointed if he can't find a competent backup center though (there should be more than enough that can defend and rebound primarily).

Possibly flip Danny's expiring deal and some other pieces for a 3 and D guy, then I'd feel a lot better. But, unless Harden jumps into the fountain of youth this summer. This team is going to really need a few reliable 3 and D guys (they aren't easy to get) or a package that brings in a 2nd star.

But, at the end of the day much of this thread is just hate. Nobody would've won with the cards dealt here. Joel misses games in the playoffs (Doc coached Ben to finish off Beale and Westbrook...then Young gave Ben a mental breakdown that he still hasn't recovered from), and Morey's infatuation with Harden (again unless he really can recover) has probably killed this team's hopes of a title. With the only hopes being an influx of talent or amazing development from Maxey (the likes of which that I don't see). Rivers made every adjustment possible with a limited roster after the trade, personnel and tactical. He played big, he played small, he zoned, full court pressed, switched, didn't switch, trapped, pg/sg pick action,played 4 starters with Reed in place of Joel, you name it. Without Embiid and Harden playing up to the near peak of their powers, it wasn't happening.

[ankle420breaker]

Snyder stepping down in Utah

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[FireMorey]

Rivers>>>>>>Snyder

[Ben]

Rivers>>>>>>Snyder

I dunno, I would take Snyder over Rivers all day.

[Mik317]

Snyder's Jazz has consistantly gone out the same way for his entire run.

that is more than likely personale but still.

[Arsenal]

About time to resurrect this bad boy.

[Bum Adebayo]

Embiid is obviously a much bigger issue than Doc, that being said he is still a below average coach so I would be ok with a change.

[sweetlou23]

Embiid is obviously a much bigger issue than Doc, that being said he is still a below average coach so I would be ok with a change.

Agreed Embiid dropped 40 but...

"The veteran out of Utah was big against Joel Embiid in the fourth quarter. He had eight points and seven rebounds, five of them on the offensive glass, in the final 12 minutes, and he ended any type of rally the Sixers had in them."

“It’s just a matter of working hard, I think,” said Poeltl after the win for San Antonio. “Not giving up on the play, I knew the shot was going up, they were a little relaxed on defense, take advantage of that, getting good position, getting a good bounce, and putting it back in.”

[mjkvol]

About time to resurrect this bad boy.

And not a moment too soon.

[FlyingArrow]

Doc would be fine if Morey didn't basically speed up the team building aspect due to trading for Harden.

A lot of the angst is that we kinda need to win in the next few years and Doc's idiosyncrasies might prevent us from doing so. And by the time he's gone..,Harden will be even more washed, Biid might be looking for better pastures (or retire lol) and it will be too late for the new guy to truly fix things.

This sounds like you're saying, "Doc would be fine if he weren't expected to win." What did I miss?

[Eyeamok]

If a team is not ready to win then who is that on?
Joel dropped 40, Harden and Maxey had so so games. But the bench basically gave you nothing. What gives. You don't play Reed, Shake or Kork, because you have better players ahead of them now. But these better players are producing less scoring? What is going on here?

[Black Mage]

First, except when he had Rondo/KG/Pierce & Allen when has any Doc Rivers lead team had a defined philosophy on either offense or defense?

Can you tell me what this team's philosophy is on either offense or defense?

Second, we invested in a bench to give the starters a breather and Doc has played Joel/Harden a minimum of 36 mins each game and Harden has played 40 mins each in the last two games.

Spo/Pop both play young talent or bench guys to get them integrated and growth so that they are ready and available in the playoffs.

Doc? He just grinds his vets into dirt like Thibs ending with his studs then getting hurt or being worn down and coming up short (see Clippers).

[FlyingArrow]

First, except when he had Rondo/KG/Pierce & Allen when has any Doc Rivers lead team had a defined philosophy on either offense or defense?

Can you tell me what this team's philosophy is on either offense or defense?

Second, we invested in a bench to give the starters a breather and Doc has played Joel/Harden a minimum of 36 mins each game and Harden has played 40 mins each in the last two games.

Spo/Pop both play young talent or bench guys to get them integrated and growth so that they are ready and available in the playoffs.

Doc? He just grinds his vets into dirt like Thibs ending with his studs then getting hurt or being worn down and coming up short (see Clippers).

Maybe somewhat understandable against Celtics and Bucks. They're likely to be the top two seeds - games against them are more important than others. Not to mention the chance to set a tone to start the season. Against the Spurs? Nobody should be playing more than 32 minutes. Absolutely bonkers.

[76ciology]

First, except when he had Rondo/KG/Pierce & Allen when has any Doc Rivers lead team had a defined philosophy on either offense or defense?

Can you tell me what this team's philosophy is on either offense or defense?

Second, we invested in a bench to give the starters a breather and Doc has played Joel/Harden a minimum of 36 mins each game and Harden has played 40 mins each in the last two games.

Spo/Pop both play young talent or bench guys to get them integrated and growth so that they are ready and available in the playoffs.

Doc? He just grinds his vets into dirt like Thibs ending with his studs then getting hurt or being worn down and coming up short (see Clippers).

Actually he does.

Doc runs this style where he would play the game in gears.

he also plays big and plays small, depending on the situation.

He likes to run off ball action for shooters first, then run PnR then dump it to ISO scorer as last resort.

Almost every top player on the team he coached gets their career year with him, from darrell armstrong, tracy mcgrady, rondo, celts championship, entire clips squad 1.0 to entire clips (cp3 lead team) squad 2.0 (harris lead team) and so on.

The question you should ask is.. why is Doc and Brett having the same problem. Maybe its because of trying to incorporate flawed Sixers players like Ben or Biid.

Do you think Doc wants to play slow and have a heavy post offense? Do you think Doc wants to play drop on defense?

Right now, if you take away Biid, and you see a team playing beautiful basketball on both ends.

In the Hawks series, if biid made the point blank layup in G5 or G6 to win the game.

I also think Doc should get some criticism with the last 3 games. I think he should have put Biid at the doghouse. But if you would just calm down and watch the games, he uses a non-embiid 5 man unit to get us back into the game.

But man.. it would take some guts to not play Biid to end the game. I dont think Spo or Pop could even do that

[Jailblazers7]

I think Doc and Embiid deserve the majority of the blame for the slow start. Embiid clearly wasn’t ready to start the season but the bench issues are on Doc imo. The complete lack of bench production has to be attributed to rotations and scheme design because we just have too many good players to be this bad.

[Bolts]

Can we fire him before this game is over? He has only been successful when the talent vastly overwhelmed his coaching stupidity.

[Negrodamus]

It's really pathetic that Doc compares himself to Popovich when Pop has a 3-1 team built upon talent he groomed over the past 5 years and Doc has been struggling to win with a ready to compete team.

[mjkvol]

It's really pathetic that Doc compares himself to Popovich.

You could have quit right there and the post would still be 100% spot on.