2022-2023 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[FlyingArrow]

University of Dayton's front court both declared for the draft.

DaRon Holmes was projected in the first round preseason, but he had a disappointing season. Currently projected early to mid second round. Low enough he might go back to school. He had a disappointing season on offense, but was great defensively, which is what he'd be drafted for anyway.

Toumani Camara was better than Holmes for Dayton. He was the best player at the Portsmouth Invitational. Projected late 2nd round in some mock drafts. Undrafted in others. He's 23.

I mention them because they're projected late enough that they could slip through the cracks and be available to sign as undrafted free agents, and they both have potential to be playable immediately. Draftees are always unknown until they play in the NBA, though.

I like Holmes a lot as a no-nonsense big. He going to score running on the break, finishing lobs, or lowpost. No fadeaways or fake guard play from him. He reminds me of Daniel Gafford. I think he's going to bring a lot of energy and efficiency on both ends to whatever team lands him.

Now that NIL pays more than G-league, I think we'll see a lot more players going back for 2/3/4 years of college. Holmes may be one of them. Camara will for sure be in the draft, though. Based on mocks, it' about 50/50 whether he'll be drafted (though at least one of the mocks has Camara going before Holmes).

[Kobblehead]

Now that NIL pays more than G-league, I think we'll see a lot more players going back for 2/3/4 years of college. Holmes may be one of them. Camara will for sure be in the draft, though. Based on mocks, it' about 50/50 whether he'll be drafted (though at least one of the mocks has Camara going before Holmes).

I hope that does happen. It will be the best of both worlds. College basketball will have more stars for longer periods of time. And the kids will be far more seasoned with 1 or 2 extra tools developed that they otherwise would not have as 19 year old 1-and-dones.

BTW, I see you're a Dayton fan. Incoming transfer C from Buffalo, Isaac Jack could be a nice snag.

[Negrodamus]

What time does Kermit Wilts play Bo Cruz in the combine scrimmages?

[Negrodamus]

I think I like Gradey Dick over Brandon Miller too.

At #2, Miller has to nail near every metric for me to be on board.

According to tankathon, they have Jarace Walker at 4, lol. He could be a nice role player, but that's insane to me.

Whitmore at #7? Enjoy RoCo redux.

I guess my continued takeaway is this draft is buttcheeks. I think I'd take Kobe Bufkin top 5 tbh. Bilal Coulibaly is in that conversation too.

[76ciology]

Brandon Miller doesn't have much of a defensive projection. Jackson was a defensive gawd as a prospect and Jabari had nice block numbers. Miller lacks on the defensive end.

I think he's more like Cade, without the playmaking. Bomber from three and poor efficiency. He's an old ass freshman and has garbage character, as well. I'm down on Miller right now.

I have Brandon Miller over Scoot for now. What’s your position between the two?

I dont think guards or wings that cant shoot has a place in today’s game

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Yea, but what's Brandon Miller's Dog per 36 minutes?

Scoot is doing a lot of PR now because he’s #2 spot is slipping.

I like the draft because you can see how people fall into the trap every year then tell themselves not to fall into the trap the next year then they fall into the trap again the next year.

Alot of the draft is unforeseen. Like making bets, a lot of bad bets also pans out better than good bets. But making good bets get you win more in the long run.

[76ciology]

I think I like Gradey Dick over Brandon Miller too.

At #2, Miller has to nail near every metric for me to be on board.

According to tankathon, they have Jarace Walker at 4, lol. He could be a nice role player, but that's insane to me.

Whitmore at #7? Enjoy RoCo redux.

I guess my continued takeaway is this draft is buttcheeks. I think I'd take Kobe Bufkin top 5 tbh. Bilal Coulibaly is in that conversation too.

I really see Brandon Miller as Jaren Jackson or Jabari Smith Jr., or maybe even Evan Mobley. they’re very safe bets but they wont be the stars that their numbers are screaming now.

I see a lot of Orlando Magic version of Fultz for Scoot. Then the Scoot vs Brandon Miller selection would be similar to the Banchero over Jabari selection. Where a team might take scoot and take the chance of him improving his jumper, which isn’t That bad but is bad.

Short term, Brandon Miller should definitely look better for me. But Scoot has a chance to be way better than Brandon Miller, and thats why teams may take him 2nd overall.

I dont have Gradey Dick over Brandon Miller, but Im also higher on Dick but not that much.

[mjkvol]

You guys who study the draft very closely - is this draft as weak as it appears on paper? If ever there was a year not to have a 1st, this might be it.

Seems like the kind of draft that after Wemby it could be a lot of kids taken in the 8-20 area who end up being the real impact guys down the road. I can't help but see Gradey Dick as a kid a lot of teams are going to regret passing up.

[Negrodamus]

You guys who study the draft very closely - is this draft as weak as it appears on paper? If ever there was a year not to have a 1st, this might be it.

Seems like the kind of draft that after Wemby it could be a lot of kids taken in the 8-20 area who end up being the real impact guys down the road. I can't help but see Gradey Dick as a kid a lot of teams are going to regret passing up.

By my metrics, it’s one of the worst drafts I’ve seen in a long time being propped up by Wembanyama.

[Jailblazers7]

I really see Brandon Miller as Jaren Jackson or Jabari Smith Jr., or maybe even Evan Mobley. they’re very safe bets but they wont be the stars that their numbers are screaming now.

I see a lot of Orlando Magic version of Fultz for Scoot. Then the Scoot vs Brandon Miller selection would be similar to the Banchero over Jabari selection. Where a team might take scoot and take the chance of him improving his jumper, which isn’t That bad but is bad.

Short term, Brandon Miller should definitely look better for me. But Scoot has a chance to be way better than Brandon Miller, and thats why teams may take him 2nd overall.

I dont have Gradey Dick over Brandon Miller, but Im also higher on Dick but not that much.

It’s hard for me to consider a 19 year old a “safe bet” when he’s involved in a murder investigation and is reportedly out of shape & giving bad interviews. I wonder if the Ja Morant situation has everyone thinking extra hard about him.

[mjkvol]

I really see Brandon Miller as Jaren Jackson or Jabari Smith Jr., or maybe even Evan Mobley. they’re very safe bets but they wont be the stars that their numbers are screaming now.

I see a lot of Orlando Magic version of Fultz for Scoot. Then the Scoot vs Brandon Miller selection would be similar to the Banchero over Jabari selection. Where a team might take scoot and take the chance of him improving his jumper, which isn’t That bad but is bad.

Short term, Brandon Miller should definitely look better for me. But Scoot has a chance to be way better than Brandon Miller, and thats why teams may take him 2nd overall.

I dont have Gradey Dick over Brandon Miller, but Im also higher on Dick but not that much.

It’s hard for me to consider a 19 year old a “safe bet” when he’s involved in a murder investigation and is reportedly out of shape & giving bad interviews. I wonder if the Ja Morant situation has everyone thinking extra hard about him.

I don't disagree, but the glass half full view is that he's making these mistakes before he's been handed a king's ransom.

He might end up being a mid round steal from teams being scared off and end up in a better situation.

[76ciology]

You guys who study the draft very closely - is this draft as weak as it appears on paper? If ever there was a year not to have a 1st, this might be it.

Seems like the kind of draft that after Wemby it could be a lot of kids taken in the 8-20 area who end up being the real impact guys down the road. I can't help but see Gradey Dick as a kid a lot of teams are going to regret passing up.

Its a good year to have a late first to early second in this draft. All of them can be lotto to mid first for me except for Jaime and Jaylen.

Podziemski
Marcus Sasser
Trayce Jackson Davis
Daron Holmes
Jaime Jaquez
Jaylen Clark

But for lottery, its awful.

My top 5 are:

Wemby
Scoot
Brandon Miller
Sensabaugh
Taylor Hendricks

[Kobblehead]

Brandon Miller in the month of March (8 games): 30.6% from the field, 3.6 turnovers per game

There was a lot going on for him mentally, but is this a preview of what's to come with him on the playoff stage?

[Kobblehead]

@76ciology, you need to look into Bilal Coulibaly.

Wembanyama's teammate. Could end up being the best wing in this class.

[Kobblehead]

I think I've talked myself into Amen Thompson at #2.

[Mik317]

I thought I was just being a hating ass bitch but yeah I also think this draft is mid at best

So let me get my hating ass ways on

Wemby: His profile is nuts but that unique body type is a fear. I wish CHet had played this year but yeah Humans aint meant to be built like that lol.

Scoot: I liked him more when I thought he was 6'4. Guards with shooting concerns is not great either. Has long arms and that dawg in him tho

Miller: 76ciology has it right...very similar to my feelings on Jabari last year. All of my concern were on display in the tourny.

Thompson Twins; beat up on children. Wonky jumpers. Feel closer to high level role players than stars IMO.

Whitmore: Lot of projection atm. Baby Hands apparently too. Feels like he is the latest in the Justice Winslow/ Stanley Johnson factory.

Walker: Ditto lol.

Dick: Kinda guy you feel better about taking in the teens than the top 10.

Hendricks: Sleeper guy for me IMO. Checks a lot of boxes imo.

Wallace: KU guards yo. Feels like a non **** Marcus Smart.

Smith Jr: Reminds me of Maxey coming out of college actually...don't have a good reason why tho.

Black: I mean sure I guess; Emblematic of this draft as a whole...guys who seems fine but aren't exciting if you start digging.

Anyone not mentioned I know little about or think suck lol.

[Kobblehead]

Whitmore: Lot of projection atm. Baby Hands apparently too. Feels like he is the latest in the Justice Winslow/ Stanley Johnson factory.

Dang, why did you have to say that lol.

Whitmore becoming another Winslow/Johnson is definitely a fear in the back of my mind. And the fact that his handle is significantly behind those two guys just amplifies it.

My reason for optimism that he could be better than those two is because I think he's a more twitchy and vertically explosive athlete than those guys.

[Kobblehead]

I really like Leonard Miller. The 212 pound weigh in sucks, though. I was hoping he'd be closer to the 225-230 range since he's going to have to play PF.

I think we should try to get one of the Spurs 2nd rounders at the top of the second round.

[76ciology]

@76ciology, you need to look into Bilal Coulibaly.

Wembanyama's teammate. Could end up being the best wing in this class.

Another Good find!

How do you compare him to ousmane dieng?

I think he’s lotto material. And better than the thompson twins. 7’3” wingspan on 6’6” height. Good FTr and have good base to work with his shooting.

[76ciology]

I think I've talked myself into Amen Thompson at #2.

Whyyyy????!!!!

[Negrodamus]

Centers aside, here are the guys in this draft that fit every statistical criteria I'm looking for:

Marcus Sasser
Jaime Jaquez (could ding him for 3FG%)
Brandin Podziemski
Kobe Brown
Terrence Shannon Jr
Tristan Vukčević (but weak sample size)

So, a bunch of old guys, a guy who played for Santa Clara, and a guy who doesn't get enough minutes. None of them are projected even in the top 20.

If you remove just one of the criterion, here are the top guys:

Brandon Miller (missing the STL% metric; gave a pass on sub 50% 2FG)
Cason Wallace (sub .3 FTr, gave a pass on a slightly sub 4 OBPM; especially because he soars in DBPM)
Keyonte George (sub 50% 2FG; sub 2 DBPM)
Kris Murray (sub .3 FTr; gave a pass on missing 75% FT)
Kobe Bufkin (sub .3 FTr)
Bilal Coulibaly (sub 75% FT)
Jalen Wilson (sub 2 STL%, sub 50% 2FG)

I'm giving a lot of leeway just to add some of these guys to the list. It's a bad draft, but good for role players imo. The only guys I could see rising above role player are:

Marcus Sasser- Terry Rozier type player
Kobe Brown - because I need one infatuation per draft
Brandon Miller - 3rd star, a worse Tatum
Kobe Bufkin - better Jordan Poole before the punch
Bilal Coulibaly - better Mikal Bridges

and obviously Wembanyama should be a star, but I left him off this completely.