The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

[Welfare Fraud]

Understand this: If you traded Thad Young for Aldrich, you lost that trade. Period. Unless you win title. So, tell me, do you think we win the title in the next 5 years? That's what you need to win trade.

so if we don't win the title in 5 years, keeping Thad was a mistake, right? Period?

[PhillyFan]

Dedicated once again fails with his logic.

Anyways, we should try to keep him from hijackin' the thread...I think the least we can do is keep this thread troll-free for SF.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Not really, because I view Young as the better player, when your rebuilding, it's about shaping yourselves up. If you take a lesser player, that means your shaping yourselves up in a way, that you EXPECT to have a good team in a certain X amount of time.

If I keep Young, and Young pans out like he's shown us and like I and Stefanski even thinks he will, and we don't win the title, or are even a much significantly better team 2-5 years down the road. That means we didn't get the right pieces.

[Gsraider]

In the short term, sign Zoubek to play in the summer league and let's at least see if he has a chance in this league as a back up big man that can board and possibly provide some muscle against the big centers in this league. He's a long shot obviously, but what else is out there?

[sixerfan1976]

yeah we arent gonna be free agency players. Just one vet signing or even a undrafted signing(like zoubek).

our last acquistion will be a big for a SF.

[ankle420breaker]

SF, are you starting to get the impression that we look to move Kapono before Thad? I mean, with the continued praise from Stefanski and Collins who are selling Thad to the fans as a big part of this team going forward, and now that he's survived the draft, do you think that his chances of remaining on the roster entering the season are starting to improve?

Also, with Nocioni and Meeks already on the roster as shooters, Kapono's the least likely of the log jammed SF's to get minutes. If the right situation presents itself where a decent big man is at odds with his teams situation, Kapono's expiring could be enough to bring back a decent big man in that kind of mid-season scenario.

[SouthJersey]

SF,

I heard Billy King on WIP today say that he thinks that Thads position in the NBA is now as a PF. He went on to say that when he was drafted he believed he would be a 3 but now everyone has come up to the belief that (Im guessing at NBA TV) that his future is as a PF. Do you know if this is the thought process of our current Sixers brass and if theres any chance we see him playing most of his minutes there?

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

It's Billy King, this is the same guy that tried to "move up" for Yi Jianlian. Thad's a 3. His handles aren't that bad, I think he has a solid, developing, but solid perimeter game. I'd like to think he's a 3 that can abuse other 3's, whether it's attacking them by driving to the hoop or posting up 3's. There are so many athletic wings, and very few fundamental wing players. Thad would bring a different dimension

[SouthJersey]

Im not so sure about that. Its easy to dismiss his opinion but this is a guy that has done 10x the homework you have done on Thad. Yes his handles are that bad, your living in a dreamworld if you dont think they are. I dont get what you mean about fundamental wings? Does this mean Thad would be better than Lebron because he has "fundamentals"? What are his fundamentals? Great footwork?

[Gsraider]

I wanted Young to develop into an SF and he seemed to prefer that as well, but it almost seems like everyone who has coached him in Philly eventually winds up with him at PF. I believe Collins has said that Young's best position is PF too. While I may or may not agree with that, it doesn't really matter because Collins will be making the calls.

One thing is for sure, without a drastic improvement, Young clearly has not been able to guard SF's and has given PF's fits on the other end. If he's going to be a PF full-time however, he needs to get stronger and spend more time working on his rebounding. If he can accomplish the latter two, perhaps he can ultimately be the PF on this team down the road because the team doesn't seem to view him as a SF. Assuming they don't trade him first that is.

[sweetlou23]

I wanted Young to develop into an SF and he seemed to prefer that as well, but it almost seems like everyone who has coached him in Philly eventually winds up with him at PF. I believe Collins has said that Young's best position is PF too. While I may or may not agree with that, it doesn't really matter because Collins will be making the calls.

One thing is for sure, without a drastic improvement, Young clearly has not been able to guard SF's and has given PF's fits on the other end. If he's going to be a PF full-time however, he needs to get stronger and spend more time working on his rebounding. If he can accomplish the latter two, perhaps he can ultimately be the PF on this team down the road because the team doesn't seem to view him as a SF. Assuming they don't trade him first that is.

Is thad tough enough to be a power forward?

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Great foot work and off-the-ball ability. Come on now, you even heard Collins say that ET needs to work on his ability off-the-ball. There aren't that many "elite" players, that are fundamentally sound anymore. LeBron's jumper, where is it? If LeBron developed a solid mid-range shot, he'd be the best player in the league, hands down. Look at Kobe Bryant, one of the best shooters in the game. Fundamentals is where it's at, and you better believe, that there aren't many fundamentally sound players in the NBA anymore. Do you like the product you see in terms of the NBA? I can't say I do.

Kobe Bryant endorsed ET, saying that ET's pure mid-range game is something alot of wings don't have. And that's true too.

Iguodala has a good mid-range game, but doesn't quite use it as much. He shot 3 3's, it should've been something like 1.5 3's a game. Collins has repeated that sentiment.

I have alot of pride and alot of humbleness to say that I don't think the NBA wing players are as good as they used to be.

Guys like Rudy Gay play in Small Markets, so sadly we can't see them. I think NY will get a very great consolidation prize if they go for Gay.

[Gsraider]

Is thad tough enough to be a power forward?

I sure hope so because every previous coach has wound up with him there and it looks like that's Collins' plan too unless he's traded this off-season. For what it's worth, I have never gotten the feeling that Young isn't tough. He just isn't strong enough and hasn't been required to hit the defensive boards this much before. He seems pretty fearless going up against anyone in the paint offensively, so I suspect he'll be fine defensively if he bulks up a bit.

[SouthJersey]

I like Thad, but he is far from fundamentally sound. If your basis is that Thad's fundamentals are comparable to Kobes then Im disagreeing with you. I honestly dont see anything wrong with Thad playing PF for this team bc I think hes the best one on the team, offensively that is. I would take him in a heart beat over speights.

[LongLiveHinkie]

The only thing that will really piss me off is if they downgrade the talent. I understand the want for a big man, but if you have to trade Thad for some mediocre big man then I wouldn't do it. We aren't winning anything this season anyway.

[Gsraider]

A lot of that depends on how quickly Turner and Holiday can develop together. It depends on how Andre Iguodala will change his game to become more of a secondary scorer and primary defender. And if Thaddeus Young, who said he added 10 pounds of muscle so far, can rebound from a bad season, and so on.

This is from today's papers. Perhaps the process has begun.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Really?

Name 5-10 low-post PF's, GO. I don't mean to be sarcastic in the term of Rickypryor, but that's how many low-post big men there are. Collins notes that the game has evolved, and not in a good-way. Low post scoring wins championships. In Pao Gasol, the Lakers have one of the best low post big men in the league. Ontop of that, they got Bynum.

Guys that have a high skill set in terms of scoring off the ball are rare. Thad can not only score off the ball, but he has great footwork and strength down low in the post and quickness.

Re-read that post, never once did I say "Thad's fundamentals are comparable to Kobe". I pointed Kobe out, as one of those fundamentally sound players.

[SouthJersey]

Yeah, I get it. Kobes fundamentally souns and so is Thad. Anyway you can't fit a square peg into a round hole. Thad is awful on defense at the 3. Whats your plan to improve that part of his game? Oh wait, you think that he will just "become" a great defender bc he has the tools to. No, doesnt work that way. Maybe hes not as quick as you think.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/And ... dala-2918/

Iguodala's agility:
11.17

Iguodala's 3/4:
3.18

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Thaddeus-Young-450/

Thad's agility:
11.06

Thad's 3/4:
3.19.

Virtually the same

Thad 1) hasn't been given enough time at the 3 and 2) Certainly hasn't been coached properly. Between Cheeks, Dileo and Jordan. "Protect the paint", constantly trapping, forcing turnovers, etc.

When Doug Collins said and I quote 'Defense starts at the ball" that's when I got excited about Collins as coach. That is wholly different from Sixers philosophy in the past defensively. And that will bring out Thad's potential.

What I hope and Collins has pretty much said he wouldn't do, is rule out a Thad, rule out a Lou. Because I think, if given the time and opportunity, Thad will get that 3 spot back.

[sixerfan1976]

if thad is a 4..then you gotta move brand or speights...guess which one cant be moved because of that FAT contract

my feeling is kapono wont get you much and is a trade chip...if you can get a immediate contributing center...you do it for thad.