***Sixerfan1976 Official Thread - Update Page 28***

[sixerfan1976]

Nocioni's value is the expiring....but he may get spot minutes if here next year...just like this year. Could see a Aminu/Nocioni battle for starting SF position in camp potential if we deal with LAC.

[ankle420breaker]

Nocioni's value is the expiring....but he may get spot minutes if here next year...just like this year. Could see a Aminu/Nocioni battle for starting SF position in camp potential if we deal with LAC.

Thats awful. Neither are starters.

[sixerfan1976]

Was Jodie Meeks a starter last year? He really shouldnt be either..but he was.

[51X3RF4N]

There is one sure fire way to end up in the lottery. Start 2 guys who clearly are not capable of being starters. I like it!

Jrue
Turner
Harrison Barnes
Vucevic
Max FA

Go for it!

[sixerfan1976]

i think the team would be better than you think with starters

jrue,turner,aminu,brand,kaman

still have lou,meeks,thad,hawes off bench

and then also nocioni, vucevic(potentially),2nd round pick, brackins maybe warren deeper on bench

assumptions are kaman stays healthy and turner takes a big step fwd which i personally expect him to do.

then you still have tons of scoring off bench.....its not a worse team than this past years team in my opinion..and you have flexibility going forward

[Gsraider]

i think the team would be better than you think with starters

jrue,turner,aminu,brand,kaman

still have lou,meeks,thad,hawes off bench

and then also nocioni, vucevic(potentially),2nd round pick, brackins maybe warren deeper on bench

assumptions are kaman stays healthy and turner takes a big step fwd which i personally expect him to do.

then you still have tons of scoring off bench.....its not a worse team than this past years team in my opinion..and you have flexibility going forward

Depending on how it shakes out and like you suggested with Kaman's health, I could see this team not slipping back either. Outside of Turner really taking a huge step forward however and some other big surprise (Aminu, Brackins, etc.), I question how bright it looks going forward. Kind of like now.

[ankle420breaker]

Was Jodie Meeks a starter last year? He really shouldnt be either..but he was.

Meeks is better than Nocioni at this point in his career, and sadly, has done more than Aminu up to this point as well. He also proved to be a reliable outside shooter and was amongst the leaders in the league in FT%. He's a specialist on a team that lacks his specialty. Not to mention, he held his own defensively and allowed a lot of things to work within the offense when being on the court.

Aminu is another tweener swing man that can't shoot. He compliments nothing in our starting rotation.

[sixerswillrule]

And yeah, two of Hawes/Vucevic/Kaman on the floor together is laughable.

What are you talking about? Who said two of that trio will be on the floor together?

Jrue/Turner
ET/Meeks
Scorer/Thad
Brand/Vucevic
Kaman/Hawes

With all 3 of them, it's bound for 2 of them to end up on the floor together occasionally. Even if not, having those 3 as our center options is laughable because each is relatively slow, unathletic, and not much of a defensive presence.

[Gsraider]

I still wouldn't mind hearing that Philly was at least inquiring about J. Smith from ATL. Obviously, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, whether it's Ellis, Kaman/Aminu, or someone else, but I really think Smith could excel under a great coach like Collins and be a nice component in the years to come, particularly a future that will not include Brand. I wonder if the two teams even have an interest in this however.

[sixerfan1976]

i think they prefer to get ellis or a scorer like him over the kaman deal..but do see the positives of the kaman deal. They feel meeks is better off bench than a starter.....expectation is taht turner is a starter next year..question is..who plays next to him at SG or SF(depending on where turner plays)

[51X3RF4N]

I guess the way I see it is you may have scoring off the bench, but who scores in the first 8 minutes of the game? Meh. I'd rather not be competitive so we can actually have a chance at a top 3 pick again. Turner may take a big step fwd, and Kaman may stay healthy. And we may be a very deep team, but it won't get us past the 2nd round of the playoffs (at the very best). Which means we end up drafting at #16-20 next year, granted in a much stronger draft class. But I'd rather be top 5 in that class and get a stud to play with Turner/Jrue/Vucevic (who I think is going to be very good). You could theoretically go with Barnes, Sullinger, or even Jones and not go wrong if you have Jrue/Turner/Vucevic. Any one of the projected top 3-4 guys in next year's draft fit well with those 3. And you'd be looking at 4 out of 5 starters being young, hitting their prime around the time Miami starts declining, and also being an entertaining team with a few potential stars.

[P2K]

Howard is going to land in a major media market and/or a team with another superstar. Even in its best years, the Sixers do not qualify as a major media market despite playing in Philly. They are the ugly stepchild behind the Eagles, Phillies and Flyers, and have to compete with some excellent NCAA basketball in town too. The only way to get a superstar here via FA is to build an extremely strong team for them to step into. This isn't New York or South Beach or Chicago, this team can't be stripped down and expect big name FA's to come calling.

I swear...it makes me wonder where some of you people get this stuff from. Do you make it up and think it's absolute fact? I don't know, but it's comedy.

Forget Howard because this team shouldn't be thinking about attracting an elite FA in the near future. It's always good to be under the cap, especially when your team isn't good. Cap flexibility never hurts anybody. Some may say that is silly talk, I say something is screwy with your wiring if you don't think cap space isn't a good thing.

But my main reason for this reply is this notion you threw out there that the Sixers, even at its best, is not an attractive place for players to come to. That's bull. I know us fans have been stuck in Mediocresville since 2002, so we think so ugly of our team. But all I keep hearing about is the 2001 season being so magical. People love to think back to that year. Fans also love thinking back to the '82-'83 Sixers and how we had to beat the best to be the best.

Despite those times, how many moments with this franchise have we had in the past 30-31 years? So, yeah...the Sixers haven't been at the top or their best alot since 1980. In fact, they have been pretty poor or just majorly average. And along with bad management, this team has not been the bee's knees. But "if you build it, they will come", right? And I am not talking about free agents. I'm talking about the fans. I'm talking about being in people's minds. I'm talking about media hype. This franchise has to be good first for people to from all over to care.

It has nothing to do with the pecking order of fandom in this city. That makes no sense whatsoever. That's just an excuse for the FO. Make your team attractive to the fans in this city. Act like you give a damn.

[P2K]

Hopefully this is the realisation by the management that an Iguodala trade doesn't bode us well and would be destructive for this team's success in the near and distant future.

Distant future?

[ZarcMumoff]

D12 will never play a single game as a Sixer. Let's all understand that now. It won't happen.

PK, I want the Sixers brass to not insult the fan base's intelligence by thinking we won't see this move for what it is, a salary dump.

I want them to not say one thing repeatedly and then do the exact opposite, while thinking the fans won't notice.

If you are gonna salary dump Iggy, then SAY you are doing it for the salary relief next season in an effort to rebuild while Miami goes on it's run.

Don't say we are competing and making the team better so that we have a better shot at a championship, cuz that's bull.

It's a business...not a friendship between the 76ers FO and the fans. Any business man worth a damn would do that.

[ZarcMumoff]

Thanks for the responses regarding a Kaman trade.

Your cap argument makes sense in terms of why the team wants to trade Iguodala. But I still don't see why Kaman should be the target. As I've said before- I'd rather have nothing than Kaman (say a trade exception from Cleveland + picks or young players or VC to buy out or some deal with Minny.) Actually spending value for Kaman makes zero sense for this team and risks them re-signing him or putting off other front-court additions.

And the Sixers having Kaman-Hawes-Vucevic next year is almost comical. I could care less what race they are. But their plodding games with teh Sxiers previously up-tempo style is terrible. If I was Jrue I'd want out.

I'm not saying that the Kaman trade should be the target, just that it makes a whole of a lot more sense than the Ellis trade.

Not to mention, Thorn is running the show now...maybe he will dump Kaman at the deadline.

[Bring Back 1983]

Chad Ford is reporting the Sixers are pessimistic about an Igoudala trade happening before the draft and believes this may well take into the summer. That sounds like a losing proposition to me. Not to use the Kevin Kolb analogy, but you are always more likely to get better offers before other teams have filled certain holes through the draft. I cannot possibly see how value goes up then.

It should be a mandate to Stefanski that if he gave this guy a six year/$80 million deal, he get us out of it before he himself walks out the door. I see us going from getting nickels to pennies on the dollar.

[Skates]

It's a simple reality that Philadelphia is not a place where NBA players think about playing.

I am old enough to remember the Dr. J years fondly...and all of the empty seats at playoff games during many of those years.

Philly is viewed by most as a football/hockey town and the Phillies were an intermittent draw before they got the new stadium. It does not have the glitz associated with the New York/Chicago/LA/Miami markets, it doesn't have the tax advantages that places in Florida and Texas do. Most players today don't know much of the city's older basketball tradition and we have notoriously hostile/passionate fans and not the friendliest media around. It is not a nice, sunny sunbelt or west coast city.

Boston has the aura of being the Celtics that will likely last forever. The Sixers' aura is long tarnished. NBA players simply don't view this city as a FA haven, you are absolutely fooling yourself if you think that. Brand came here in a year when few teams had cap space, he needed to cash in and his choices were stay in Clipperland, Philly and GS. Going forward lots more teams are being careful about cap space and have better weather, taxes, bigger media and endoresement possibilities, a winning atmosphere, etc.

The Phillies started their current run by overpaying Thome to come here, in the max salary environment of the NBA the Sixers can't do that unless they want to overpay lesser talent. With the salaries the same wherever you go, the other factors become huge. To a hockey player, Philly is manna from heaven, to an NBA player it is the pits. It's not crap, it is the truth.

The Knicks don't have much of a winning tradition of late, but they have MSG, huge endorsement possibilities and the NY mojo. Miami and Orlando have great weather, no state income tax and in Miami, great night life. Chicago even had a hard time getting FA's interested in going there after the Jordan era, now that they have Rose they can draw guys like Boozer, etc. Look where the big name FA's went or forced trades to, NY and Miami. LA will be rebuilding in a couple of years and so will Boston. Those are NBA FA destinations, Philly most decidedly is not unless we are the only ones with money that year.

Put a 50+ win team on the floor for four or five years and the team becomes gradually more attractive. Add a superstar by trade or draft and others will wnat to join them. Don't do that and at best you get second tier guys like Brand, not the LeBron, Wade, etc class.

[ZarcMumoff]

If we don't like any deal...then don't to the trade. Don't just trade a guy to trade the guy.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

^ I agree... Don't do a trade just to do one. I want to see Iguodala leave as well but not for a pile of garbage in return.

[agiaco]

Who else is feeling sick about our future after all this recent talk? Drafting Vucevic, getting Aminu is so underwhelming.