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Post#61 » by gcates » Mon Dec 9, 2013 5:59 pm

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Fast-forward six weeks: He's headed for Rookie of the Year and a first-team spot on the WTF Happened In That Box Score All-Stars. Seriously, you never know what might happen in an MC-Dub box score — he might throw up a 22-10-12, he might grab nine steals, he might make six 3s, he might have nine turnovers. You just don't know. He does a little bit of everything. I don't even know who you'd compare him to. Important note: I thought he was going to be a bust. Don't forget — I'm writing this column instead of running a team for a reason. But unless Noel or Alex Len blossom late, it looks like there are only two potential All-Stars from 2013's draft: Carter-Williams and the Greek Freak (whose ceiling is Paul George in Kevin Durant's body with Freddy Krueger's arms and hands, whether he gets there or not).


Is he forgetting Oladipo?


I would say Trey Burke and Ben McLemore have a shot at being All-Stars down the line as well, based on encouraging results in this young season.

Simmons can have a very narrow viewpoint at times, as much as I like the guy.
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Post#62 » by MountainDrew » Mon Dec 9, 2013 6:26 pm

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Is he forgetting Oladipo?


I would say Trey Burke and Ben McLemore have a shot at being All-Stars down the line as well, based on encouraging results in this young season.

Simmons can have a very narrow viewpoint at times, as much as I like the guy.


Can't see Trey Burke becoming an allstar. His athleticism and bball IQ ultimately limits his potential imo
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Post#63 » by gcates » Mon Dec 9, 2013 6:48 pm

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Is he forgetting Oladipo?


I would say Trey Burke and Ben McLemore have a shot at being All-Stars down the line as well, based on encouraging results in this young season.

Simmons can have a very narrow viewpoint at times, as much as I like the guy.


Can't see Trey Burke becoming an allstar. His athleticism and bball IQ ultimately limits his potential imo


I'm not saying he'll be one, but I think he has an outside shot at it depending how his career goes. I guess guard depth in the West could be a big obstacle for him as well...in any case...it could happen. If Devin Harris and Mo Williams can be all-stars, Trey Burke has a shot.

Keep in mind, I'm only taking issue with Simmons saying a mere two players in this class have all-star potential...not proclaiming Burke or anyone else a future all-star definitively.
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Post#64 » by CoreyGallagher » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:28 pm

Anybody know what the black straps on our players jersey's are? Does it have to do with data collection or something? I just noticed one day that our players were wearing them and never understood as to why.

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Nevermind, wearing them in honor of Jeffrey Millman.
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Post#65 » by Sixteen » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:45 pm

Where would MCW go in this upcoming draft? That is if he is legit.
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Post#66 » by OleSchool » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:00 pm

Ramen Noodles wrote:Where would MCW go in this upcoming draft? That is if he is legit.


At this point I think you would have to say #1, with O #2, and I like Adams at #3. This is taking into account the injuries to Noel and Porter
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Post#67 » by gcates » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:31 pm

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Ramen Noodles wrote:Where would MCW go in this upcoming draft? That is if he is legit.


At this point I think you would have to say #1, with O #2, and I like Adams at #3. This is taking into account the injuries to Noel and Porter


I think he might have meant in the 2014 draft...where he would fall in the mix with Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Smart, Exum, etc...could be wrong though.
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Post#68 » by CoreyGallagher » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:52 pm

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Ramen Noodles wrote:Where would MCW go in this upcoming draft? That is if he is legit.


At this point I think you would have to say #1, with O #2, and I like Adams at #3. This is taking into account the injuries to Noel and Porter


I think he might have meant in the 2014 draft...where he would fall in the mix with Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Smart, Exum, etc...could be wrong though.

That's about right, however this would be reliant upon what exactly we know and the order of the teams selecting. I believe if we're aware of his performance this season somehow, not sure how that would work, and it's just sort of a mock draft than he would likely be the first PG taken. His potential, which he was essentially selected solely upon in this past draft is still through the roof, his performing at such a high level proving to be more NBA ready than anyone could have imagined would elevate his stock significantly. Again, really dependent on what we know going into the draft.
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Post#69 » by OleSchool » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:05 pm

gcates wrote:
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Ramen Noodles wrote:Where would MCW go in this upcoming draft? That is if he is legit.


At this point I think you would have to say #1, with O #2, and I like Adams at #3. This is taking into account the injuries to Noel and Porter


I think he might have meant in the 2014 draft...where he would fall in the mix with Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Smart, Exum, etc...could be wrong though.


Oh well then 5 to 10 off potential alone

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I meant others would go ahead of MCW cause they have a higher potential.
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Post#70 » by CoreyGallagher » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:47 pm

http://hoop76.com/three-magic-number/

Excerpt is interesting because of our recent history w/ Doug Collins...

“When you ask coaches what’s better between a 28 percent 3-point shot and a 42 percent midrange shot, they’ll say the 42 percent shot,” a member of the Raptors analytics team told Zach Lowe last spring. “And that’s objectively false. It’s wrong. If LeBron James just jacked a 3 on every single possession, that’d be an exceptionally good offense. That’s a conversation we’ve had with our coaching staff, and let’s just say they don’t support that approach."

I'm just going to quote the entire article because it's a short read, it's about Hawes and his value...

Spencer Hawes is attempting more 3-pointers per game than Ray Allen, and he’s hitting them at a higher rate. This doesn’t seem like it could possibly be true, but it is, in fact, a fact. The Sixer is launching 4.1 triples a night and making good on 42.7 percent of them, while the NBA’s all-time leading 3-point shooter is at 3.9 and 38 percent. Spencer Hawes, who’s spent much of his brief Philadelphia career as a walking punchline—albeit a terrifically patriotic one—has developed into one of the top perimeter threats in basketball. At the very least, one of the tallest. This is important.

The value of 3-point shooting is something that everyone with a calculator and an open mind agrees on these days. (This growing group, unfortunately, still doesn’t include many NBA head coaches.) Not only are 3s worth more than 2s—because, duh—but, even if they are off target, they lead to offensive rebounds much more frequently than midrange misfires.

“When you ask coaches what’s better between a 28 percent 3-point shot and a 42 percent midrange shot, they’ll say the 42 percent shot,” a member of the Raptors analytics team told Zach Lowe last spring. “And that’s objectively false. It’s wrong. If LeBron James just jacked a 3 on every single possession, that’d be an exceptionally good offense. That’s a conversation we’ve had with our coaching staff, and let’s just say they don’t support that approach.”

According to the Raptors’ quants—who are on the vanguard of hoops’ big data revolution—everybody, even sub-35 percent 3-point shooters, should be jacking triples like they’re going out of style; which they, not incidentally, won’t be any time soon. We’re in the era of the long ball in the NBA. And Spencer Hawes is precisely the kind of player whose value will spike because of this league-wide change in philosophy.
Thing is, the center’s success from 3, while above his career norms, doesn’t look like an aberrant statistical blip. Hawes took 115 3s his second year in the Association, hitting 34.8 percent of them, and, in 2012-13, shot 42.1 percent from long range after the All-Star break. He’s a career 33.6 percent 3-point shooter who is clearly trending in the right direction. When given the latitude to do so, dude can shoot.

All of which puts Sam Hinkie in a peculiar position, or at least one that gives close observers of the team an opportunity to learn a great deal about the way the GM thinks about team building. There’s been an interesting argument in the blogosphere recently vis-à-vis whether Hinkie is truly tanking this season—deliberately building a bad team in the interest of getting a higher pick in a stacked draft—or simply looking towards the future with little concern, win or lose, for the present. Hinkie’s handling of Hawes will go a long way towards settling this debate. Will Hinkie be willing to forfeit a stretch 5, just entering his prime, merely to get a little worse?

Spencer Hawes has become a very good basketball player that is helping the team win now and, at 25, and with a skill-set that’s increasingly in demand, he’s a good bet to help the team in the future as well. Just a few months ago, it seemed a long shot that he would last the season in Philadelphia. Turns out, he’s got a knack for making good on those.
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Post#71 » by Sixerscan » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:21 pm

That's an over-simplification. Restricted area shots are still the most efficient shots. 3 pointers are ahead of every other shot though.

Also, Hawes can "shoot," but for this guy to act like Hawes' 3 point shooting isn't an aberration is just wrong. His opening line of the article (Him shooting better than Ray Allen) should be a pretty clear indication of that.
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Post#72 » by PhilasFinest » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:50 pm

Sixerscan wrote:That's an over-simplification. Restricted area shots are still the most efficient shots. 3 pointers are ahead of every other shot though.

Also, Hawes can "shoot," but for this guy to act like Hawes' 3 point shooting isn't an aberration is just wrong. His opening line of the article (Him shooting better than Ray Allen) should be a pretty clear indication of that.


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Post#73 » by PhilasFinest » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:58 pm

Hawes has played very very well this year, and his skillset is tailor made for BB's offense. He's a fantastic passer for a big man and a very good shooter....making him a great high pick n roll option to run your offense through.

If you take out Hawes and insert, say.....Asik. Our offense is much worse, and MCW would struggle when running those zippers and high pick n rolls, because the defense would just sag off and meet him in the lane forcing him into a bad shot or mid range pull up.


I'm all for the tank, and don't want to be fooled by Hawes fantastic start, but I'd think long and hard about him if we can get him on a relatively cheap amount. There aren't a lot of 5's out there than can do what Hawes does, and he'd fit well with Noel at the 4 spot. He's also only 25.

I guess we will see ....Greg Monroe would fit well too, as he's a good passer and a more skilled post player but even he doesn't stretch the floor as well as Hawes....plus he will likely command more money.

If we can move Turner now, and poss Thad....then use our picks to bolster our perimeter.

Parker/Wiggins and a shooting wing or we can try to pickup lamb from OKC.

Hawes
Noel
Parker/Wiggins
Rookie like lavine or young/ Lamb
MCW

That type of lineup would have a lot of potential in BB's offense. In transition we would be a nightmare, and in sets, we would have a lot of options. High PNR, you'd have to defend MCW driving or kicking out to Hawes /wings for the J. Noel crashing to the hoop for lobs and putbacks, and then our wings would be there to bury jumpers or take you off the bounce.

It would be a well spaced offense that's for sure.

Should be interesting rest of season and summer for aure
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Post#74 » by SJSF » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:00 pm

PhilasFinest wrote:Hawes has played very very well this year, and his skillset is tailor made for BB's offense. He's a fantastic passer for a big man and a very good shooter....making him a great high pick n roll option to run your offense through.

If you take out Hawes and insert, say.....Asik. Our offense is much worse, and MCW would struggle when running those zippers and high pick n rolls, because the defense would just sag off and meet him in the lane forcing him into a bad shot or mid range pull up.


I'm all for the tank, and don't want to be fooled by Hawes fantastic start, but I'd think long and hard about him if we can get him on a relatively cheap amount. There aren't a lot of 5's out there than can do what Hawes does, and he'd fit well with Noel at the 4 spot. He's also only 25.

I guess we will see ....Greg Monroe would fit well too, as he's a good passer and a more skilled post player but even he doesn't stretch the floor as well as Hawes....plus he will likely command more money.

If we can move Turner now, and poss Thad....then use our picks to bolster our perimeter.

Parker/Wiggins and a shooting wing or we can try to pickup lamb from OKC.

Hawes
Noel
Parker/Wiggins
Rookie like lavine or young/ Lamb
MCW

That type of lineup would have a lot of potential in BB's offense. In transition we would be a nightmare, and in sets, we would have a lot of options. High PNR, you'd have to defend MCW driving or kicking out to Hawes /wings for the J. Noel crashing to the hoop for lobs and putbacks, and then our wings would be there to bury jumpers or take you off the bounce.

It would be a well spaced offense that's for sure.

Should be interesting rest of season and summer for aure


And then ad a max player or two and we will be good for years. Not sold on Hawes for a center.


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Post#75 » by OleSchool » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:08 pm

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PhilasFinest wrote:Hawes has played very very well this year, and his skillset is tailor made for BB's offense. He's a fantastic passer for a big man and a very good shooter....making him a great high pick n roll option to run your offense through.

If you take out Hawes and insert, say.....Asik. Our offense is much worse, and MCW would struggle when running those zippers and high pick n rolls, because the defense would just sag off and meet him in the lane forcing him into a bad shot or mid range pull up.


I'm all for the tank, and don't want to be fooled by Hawes fantastic start, but I'd think long and hard about him if we can get him on a relatively cheap amount. There aren't a lot of 5's out there than can do what Hawes does, and he'd fit well with Noel at the 4 spot. He's also only 25.

I guess we will see ....Greg Monroe would fit well too, as he's a good passer and a more skilled post player but even he doesn't stretch the floor as well as Hawes....plus he will likely command more money.

If we can move Turner now, and poss Thad....then use our picks to bolster our perimeter.

Parker/Wiggins and a shooting wing or we can try to pickup lamb from OKC.

Hawes
Noel
Parker/Wiggins
Rookie like lavine or young/ Lamb
MCW

That type of lineup would have a lot of potential in BB's offense. In transition we would be a nightmare, and in sets, we would have a lot of options. High PNR, you'd have to defend MCW driving or kicking out to Hawes /wings for the J. Noel crashing to the hoop for lobs and putbacks, and then our wings would be there to bury jumpers or take you off the bounce.

It would be a well spaced offense that's for sure.

Should be interesting rest of season and summer for aure


And then ad a max player or two and we will be good for years. Not sold on Hawes for a center.


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IDK we will be adding a max player for at least 2 years, if then. If MCW continues at his pace and Noel lives up to his potential plus add a jump shot, and with our 2 lottery picks this year in a stacked draft we will need the $ to pay them. I can see Hinkie saving the room for our own players
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Post#76 » by OleSchool » Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:33 pm

Posted yesterday on Philly.com, another article about Noel's shot

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... oject.html

The most impressive thing about this article was this:

Brown made seven three-point shots from the left baseline to two for the prized rookie.
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... GQ7bwhv.99

Give him Andersons # :lol:
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Post#77 » by Foshan » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:16 am

Am i reading too much into this article to think that Brown see's him as a C?

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... _foes.html
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Post#78 » by MRxBLACK » Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:41 am

Foshan wrote:Am i reading too much into this article to think that Brown see's him as a C?

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... _foes.html


This comment below the article made me chuckle:

All this teaching, Noel is gonna be Hakeem, Shaq and Larry Bird all rolled into one...
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Post#79 » by Krash94 » Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:18 am

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1884 ... nd-the-nba

Two sources said the 76ers are worried about next summer's contract demands of Evan Turner—who's averaging a team-high 20.3 points per game—and they might want to find cheaper talent this season through a trade. Their target should be, according to one source, Cleveland Cavaliers shooting guard Dion Waiters.

"They would trade Evan Turner for him in a heartbeat," the source said. "Philly is starting over. Waiters works because he's a second-year player on the rookie scale and under team control."
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Post#80 » by Foshan » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:05 pm

bleacher report is straight up created gossip.

Hinkie's camp has been soo tight lipped i can't see bleacher report being the group that breaks a real leak.

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