The Legend of Joel Embiid

[Tiny ball]

Thought experiment with Embiid:

Would it be worth it to max out Joel Embiid if you knew that every season, he would play no more than 40 games, but he would always be fully healthy for the playoffs?

In this scenario, I think it would ultimately cap the future Sixers out as a 2nd or 3rd seed in the conference. However, it would still give the team serious title contention ability come playoff time. It would definitely hurt, but I think Embiid might be so good that it is still worth it to pay him for 40 games a year + playoffs. What are your opinions though?

Without a doubt. We're still easily a playoff team and with him playing there will be the chance for a title.

What ever drug you are doing put it down it is way too strong for your mind.

[sixerswillrule]

Thought experiment with Embiid:

Would it be worth it to max out Joel Embiid if you knew that every season, he would play no more than 40 games, but he would always be fully healthy for the playoffs?

In this scenario, I think it would ultimately cap the future Sixers out as a 2nd or 3rd seed in the conference. However, it would still give the team serious title contention ability come playoff time. It would definitely hurt, but I think Embiid might be so good that it is still worth it to pay him for 40 games a year + playoffs. What are your opinions though?

Without a doubt. We're still easily a playoff team and with him playing there will be the chance for a title.

What ever drug you are doing put it down it is way too strong for your mind.

Maybe you should put the drug down and read the question that was being answered. It wasn't about next season specifically, it was about the future with Embiid, e.g. the next 10 years.

[76ciology]

I think to retain Ben and Biid, both need max. If there's a guy who might be willing to take a payout its Fultz. My wild guess.

I think we'd pay Embiid the max while being cautiously smart with how we use him. We'd be like the Spurs were we'll be lowkey in regular season then go all out in play-offs. Quite frankly regular season are like exhibition games nowadays anyway. Us still hoarding bigs like Bolden and Latvian C IMO says we have accepted Biid's health limitations.

To some extent the C requiring less skillet/talent to be effevtive in today's game works in Biid's favor that I don't think Biid will left a big hole with a Bolden or Holmes at his spot whenever we opt to sit him. I then imagine us to play a lot of Hawks type stretch 5+ball/player movement basketball.

[Chris76]

I think to retain Ben and Biid, both need max. If there's a guy who might be willing to take a payout its Fultz. My wild guess.

I think we'd pay Embiid the max while being cautiously smart with how we use him. We'd be like the Spurs were we'll be lowkey in regular season then go all out in play-offs. Quite frankly regular season are like exhibition games nowadays anyway. Us still hoarding bigs like Bolden and Latvian C IMO says we have accepted Biid's health limitations.

To some extent the C requiring less skillet/talent to be effevtive in today's game works in Biid's favor that I don't think Biid will left a big hole with a Bolden or Holmes at his spot whenever we opt to sit him. I then imagine us to play a lot of Hawks type stretch 5+ball/player movement basketball.

Unfortunately, I think Embiid has 1 speed, which is good and bad. Quickly, he wants to prove he is one of the best players in the league. Also, I think Hinkie wanted 2 types of players, 2 bigs and 3 wings. All 2-way players and everybody switches. Embiid, Simmons, Covington, and Dario fit close to those type of players. Fultz, TLC and maybe Stauskus, Korkmaz, and Anderson could fit the wing types. Our defense should be very competitive.

[76ciology]

I think to retain Ben and Biid, both need max. If there's a guy who might be willing to take a payout its Fultz. My wild guess.

I think we'd pay Embiid the max while being cautiously smart with how we use him. We'd be like the Spurs were we'll be lowkey in regular season then go all out in play-offs. Quite frankly regular season are like exhibition games nowadays anyway. Us still hoarding bigs like Bolden and Latvian C IMO says we have accepted Biid's health limitations.

To some extent the C requiring less skillet/talent to be effevtive in today's game works in Biid's favor that I don't think Biid will left a big hole with a Bolden or Holmes at his spot whenever we opt to sit him. I then imagine us to play a lot of Hawks type stretch 5+ball/player movement basketball.

Unfortunately, I think Embiid has 1 speed, which is good and bad. Quickly, he wants to prove he is one of the best players in the league. Also, I think Hinkie wanted 2 types of players, 2 bigs and 3 wings. All 2-way players and everybody switches. Embiid, Simmons, Covington, and Dario fit close to those type of players. Fultz, TLC and maybe Stauskus, Korkmaz, and Anderson could fit the wing types. Our defense should be very competitive.

Side note, I think Hinkie was just flat out hoarding assets by going after potentially dominant players with the top picks and hoping that long athletic players develop shooting to be two way players. I don't think Hinkie has shown preference (i dont buy into his preference for centers) except really to get the max value of assets in 3 seasons. But yeah, its for another discussion and i hope this thread dont become about Hinkie.

With Embiid, yeah he plays all out. So its tough to tell him to go cruise mode, that said we'd then take action by being more smartly cautious in handling him. East is weak anyway, I think we'd still be a top 5 team in the east if we sat out Biid and with a developed Simmons and Fultz.

[Sixerscan]

Embiid has played 31 games. Too early to say he can't learn to pace himself.

[CoreyGallagher]

Read on Twitter

I know that there's going to be overreaction, but if he's been doing non-contact drills and less than 5-on-5 (hadn't he reportedly been playing 3-on-3 with Simmons?) for so long than there didn't seem to have been a setback. I don't understand why he hasn't been allowed to play 5-on-5 yet, tho.

[LordCovington33]

Thought experiment with Embiid:

Would it be worth it to max out Joel Embiid if you knew that every season, he would play no more than 40 games, but he would always be fully healthy for the playoffs?

In this scenario, I think it would ultimately cap the future Sixers out as a 2nd or 3rd seed in the conference. However, it would still give the team serious title contention ability come playoff time. It would definitely hurt, but I think Embiid might be so good that it is still worth it to pay him for 40 games a year + playoffs. What are your opinions though?

Without a doubt. We're still easily a playoff team and with him playing there will be the chance for a title.

What ever drug you are doing put it down it is way too strong for your mind.

Not sure why you are on our forum. Must have got lost. Boston is the second of the teams represented in the team forums. You're welcome.

[DaddyCool19]

I don't see how someone who only plays 40 games can be healthy for the playoffs everytime.

I wouldn't offer Embiid anything and wait for offers from other teams. If he can't play +50 games he doesn't deserve the 4-5 year max imo. A 3 year max with a team option for the last year would be the most I would offer him in that scenario, no matter how talented and game changing he is.

[Sixerscan]

I don't see how someone who only plays 40 games can be healthy for the playoffs everytime.

I wouldn't offer Embiid anything and wait for offers from other teams. If he can't play +50 games he doesn't deserve the 4-5 year max imo. A 3 year max with a team option for the last year would be the most I would offer him in that scenario, no matter how talented and game changing he is.

It's a freaking thought experiment.

[jbent87]

Gotta avoid maxing Embiid right now bc of obvious injury-related issues. Have his 2nd deal be Currys less than max deal and that will pave the way to really add to this team in a year or so when it's ready.

[kriss73]

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I know that there's going to be overreaction, but if he's been doing non-contact drills and less than 5-on-5 (hadn't he reportedly been playing 3-on-3 with Simmons?) for so long than there didn't seem to have been a setback. I don't understand why he hasn't been allowed to play 5-on-5 yet, tho.

To avoid playing a single minute in the NBA Africa Game 2017.

[jsa]

With the downplaying of the seriousness of the knee injury, I did not think there would be a doubt that he would play full bore in training camp. I hope that is still the situation.

[shawn_hemp]

honestly, Joel's injuries could wind up getting him to take less money like Steph did which could help us in the long run

if you told me he would only play in 40 games a year but be healthy for the playoffs every year, I'd still max him without hesitation.

We haven't seen Joel play in the postseason yet, and I honestly think he would be even more dangerous since he can take over games on both ends of the floor.

The best way to beat trigger happy teams like the Warriors and Rockets is to slow the game down, which Joel can do when he needs to. And its not like he is a liability at the end of games, he is a great FT shooter. You saw what happened when the Cavs refused to try and slow the game down, the Warriors just blew them out of the water

We think we know what Joel's impact will be, but I think we really have no idea what we are about to witness. He was built for the postseason. Honestly, if he missed 82 games a year but only played in the postseason, I might seriously consider still maxing him.

Sounds crazy now, but just wait.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Being not cleared doesn't mean he's physically not able to play 5 on 5 yet, it just means he hasn't been given the go ahead to actually do it.

[ivysixer2000]

honestly, Joel's injuries could wind up getting him to take less money like Steph did which could help us in the long run

if you told me he would only play in 40 games a year but be healthy for the playoffs every year, I'd still max him without hesitation.

We haven't seen Joel play in the postseason yet, and I honestly think he would be even more dangerous since he can take over games on both ends of the floor.

The best way to beat trigger happy teams like the Warriors and Rockets is to slow the game down, which Joel can do when he needs to. And its not like he is a liability at the end of games, he is a great FT shooter. You saw what happened when the Cavs refused to try and slow the game down, the Warriors just blew them out of the water

We think we know what Joel's impact will be, but I think we really have no idea what we are about to witness. He was built for the postseason. Honestly, if he missed 82 games a year but only played in the postseason, I might seriously consider still maxing him.

Sounds crazy now, but just wait.

Well I do have to say, we really do have to look at the type of deal that Curry took when he was having his injury problems with the Embiid situation. Just cause we like him has nothing to do with it from a GM standpoint, he has still played 31 games in 3 years.

If he would take less, we could get lucky in the future with the capspace. I wouldn't just sign him to the max automatically, although everything has to do with how he does this year. If he can only play 40 games, well I can't give him the max unless someone else offers it, then we match.

If he missed 82 games this year, there is noway in hell I would max him out.

[PhilBlackson]

Gotta avoid maxing Embiid right now bc of obvious injury-related issues. Have his 2nd deal be Currys less than max deal and that will pave the way to really add to this team in a year or so when it's ready.

That's making the bad assumption he would accept that deal and that another team like say the Nets won't offer him a ridiculous amount more and roll the dice on his health.

[shawn_hemp]

honestly, Joel's injuries could wind up getting him to take less money like Steph did which could help us in the long run

if you told me he would only play in 40 games a year but be healthy for the playoffs every year, I'd still max him without hesitation.

We haven't seen Joel play in the postseason yet, and I honestly think he would be even more dangerous since he can take over games on both ends of the floor.

The best way to beat trigger happy teams like the Warriors and Rockets is to slow the game down, which Joel can do when he needs to. And its not like he is a liability at the end of games, he is a great FT shooter. You saw what happened when the Cavs refused to try and slow the game down, the Warriors just blew them out of the water

We think we know what Joel's impact will be, but I think we really have no idea what we are about to witness. He was built for the postseason. Honestly, if he missed 82 games a year but only played in the postseason, I might seriously consider still maxing him.

Sounds crazy now, but just wait.

Well I do have to say, we really do have to look at the type of deal that Curry took when he was having his injury problems with the Embiid situation. Just cause we like him has nothing to do with it from a GM standpoint, he has still played 31 games in 3 years.

If he would take less, we could get lucky in the future with the capspace. I wouldn't just sign him to the max automatically, although everything has to do with how he does this year. If he can only play 40 games, well I can't give him the max unless someone else offers it, then we match.

If he missed 82 games this year, there is noway in hell I would max him out.

Yeah it's quite the conundrum that the Sixers find themselves in

I think someone will definitely offer him the max regardless of his health next year, and we will have to decide whether to match it or not

[ivysixer2000]

honestly, Joel's injuries could wind up getting him to take less money like Steph did which could help us in the long run

if you told me he would only play in 40 games a year but be healthy for the playoffs every year, I'd still max him without hesitation.

We haven't seen Joel play in the postseason yet, and I honestly think he would be even more dangerous since he can take over games on both ends of the floor.

The best way to beat trigger happy teams like the Warriors and Rockets is to slow the game down, which Joel can do when he needs to. And its not like he is a liability at the end of games, he is a great FT shooter. You saw what happened when the Cavs refused to try and slow the game down, the Warriors just blew them out of the water

We think we know what Joel's impact will be, but I think we really have no idea what we are about to witness. He was built for the postseason. Honestly, if he missed 82 games a year but only played in the postseason, I might seriously consider still maxing him.

Sounds crazy now, but just wait.

Well I do have to say, we really do have to look at the type of deal that Curry took when he was having his injury problems with the Embiid situation. Just cause we like him has nothing to do with it from a GM standpoint, he has still played 31 games in 3 years.

If he would take less, we could get lucky in the future with the capspace. I wouldn't just sign him to the max automatically, although everything has to do with how he does this year. If he can only play 40 games, well I can't give him the max unless someone else offers it, then we match.

If he missed 82 games this year, there is noway in hell I would max him out.

Yeah it's quite the conundrum that the Sixers find themselves in

I think someone will definitely offer him the max regardless of his health next year, and we will have to decide whether to match it or not

If he misses another 82 games, we won't have to worry about anyone offering him the max, to be honest.

This is like a 'put up or shut up' year for Embiid, I know we are looking forward to the bright future and such, but Embiid has to know that he has to play in his contract year. Let's say this is a regular job, what message would it send to the other employees if one of them never works but gets more money than everyone else?? If we give Embiid that kinda money, are we saying Simmons or Fultz, we will give you the max also and you don't have to play for 3 years?

I think the assumption that Simmons and Fultz will be ok if Embiid is out for the season again and gets the max is false. If they are out there playing there butts off, then they will have a problem with it no matter how much they like him....at that point he is hurting the teams future.

I hate to see players put up career years in their contract year, but if he wants to get the max, he has to set an example for the team. That example isn't sitting on the sidelines, he needs to play and play well.

[kuclas]

Issue is if Embiid is healthy and plays 60 games. Averages say 25/11 with 3 blocks and 3 assists a game playing 30 minutes.

If they don't extend him before the end of training camp.

In 2018 while the sixers can match any offer. Teams can give Embiid a 4 year max deal but essentially a player option after 1 year. So it sets Embiid up for a huge payday in 2019 if he decides to opt out and he becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2019.