The Ben Simmons Megathread

[eagereyez]

Blake Griffin missed his first year and averaged 22.5 ppg as a rookie. 20 ppg isn't crazy for Simmons, who will be the same age as Griffin when he was a rookie, and will be the focal point of our offense. Simmons is about 7 months younger than Okafor who is going into his 3rd year. If he averages 12.5 ppg I will be extremely disappointed. I'm expecting something like 20/7/6.

[cksdayoff]

18 ppg
8 apg
8 rpg
80% ft

That would be insane. I don't think he scores as much his rookie year. I'm thinking 15ppg, 9apg and 7 rpg is about right. But even these numbers are insane lol.

i think simmons shoots 6-8 free throws a game. the guy's gonna attempt at least 12 shots a night, probably a lot more. and most of those shot attempts will be at the rim i'm assuming

[Sixerscan]

9 assists would be like top 5 in the league. He's going to be playing a lot with other guys that can handle the ball, he's not going to get to dominate the rock the way guys with those assist number do.

[eagereyez]

18 ppg
8 apg
8 rpg
80% ft

That would be insane. I don't think he scores as much his rookie year. I'm thinking 15ppg, 9apg and 7 rpg is about right. But even these numbers are insane lol.

i think simmons shoots 6-8 free throws a game. the guy's gonna attempt at least 12 shots a night, probably a lot more. and most of those shot attempts will be at the rim i'm assuming

12 FGA is really low. I'm guessing it'll be between 16-18 with him drawing tons of fouls. If he shoots close to 45-50% from the field then that's 14-18 pts right there, not counting the pts from his FTs.

[Mrcrockpots]

Agree with all above. It's hard to measure Lebron's offensive potential. He has a wide range of potential. I see him living at the free throw line like Harden does. If Simmons can get his ft% to 70-75% he should easily get 20ppg. Fingers crossed he shows progression with his shooting numbers.

[Mrcrockpots]

I think we can all agree that Simmons will make his living off the ft line his rookie year.

Free throws per game rookie seasons
Lebron- 5.8 ftapg, 75 ft%, 21ppg, 28.2% usage
Kyrie- 3.8 ftapg, 87 ft%, 18.5ppg, 28.7% usage
Blake- 8.4 ftapg, 64 ft%, 22ppg, 27.3% usage
Joel- 7.9 ftapg, 78 ft%, 20ppg, 36% usage

I think we can all agree that Embiid's usage rate will drastically go down this season. I also think we can agree that our offense won't live and die by running Embiid in iso all season. I expect tons of more pick and rolls this year.

I think Simmons getting 6-8 free throws per game, shooting 65-70% at the free throw line, with 25% usage rate is rather fair. I think that would put him right around 15-16 points per game.

[sixers78]

Blake Griffin missed his first year and averaged 22.5 ppg as a rookie. 20 ppg isn't crazy for Simmons, who will be the same age as Griffin when he was a rookie, and will be the focal point of our offense. Simmons is about 7 months younger than Okafor who is going into his 3rd year. If he averages 12.5 ppg I will be extremely disappointed. I'm expecting something like 20/7/6.

Ben Simmons is not Blake griffin. Blake played 38mpg and took 17 shots per game as a rookie. Ben is not doing those minutes and FGA. And most importantly Blake Griffin actually shot the ball his rookie season. Ben has yet to show anyone he is comfortable taking jumpers let alone consistently. Forget makes just takes is what I'm referring too. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

[eagereyez]

Blake Griffin missed his first year and averaged 22.5 ppg as a rookie. 20 ppg isn't crazy for Simmons, who will be the same age as Griffin when he was a rookie, and will be the focal point of our offense. Simmons is about 7 months younger than Okafor who is going into his 3rd year. If he averages 12.5 ppg I will be extremely disappointed. I'm expecting something like 20/7/6.

Ben Simmons is not Blake griffin. Blake played 38mpg and took 17 shots per game as a rookie. Ben is not doing those minutes and FGA. And most importantly Blake Griffin actually shot the ball his rookie season. Ben has yet to show anyone he is comfortable taking jumpers let alone consistently. Forget makes just takes is what I'm referring too. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Griffin took a total of 24 3PA his rookie year. 73% of his shot attempts came within 10 ft of the rim. That seems pretty projectable for what we can expect of Simmons. Griffin didn't expand his game till much later. You don't need a jumper to average 20 pts.

I don't expect Simmons to play 38 mins but he should play 32-34 mins. He has been healthy for a long time now. A broken toe is not a navicular fracture or an ACL tear. If they are still babying him then I'll be worried that the Sixers are again hiding something.

What do you think Simmons' ppg will be next year?

[sixers78]

Blake Griffin missed his first year and averaged 22.5 ppg as a rookie. 20 ppg isn't crazy for Simmons, who will be the same age as Griffin when he was a rookie, and will be the focal point of our offense. Simmons is about 7 months younger than Okafor who is going into his 3rd year. If he averages 12.5 ppg I will be extremely disappointed. I'm expecting something like 20/7/6.

Ben Simmons is not Blake griffin. Blake played 38mpg and took 17 shots per game as a rookie. Ben is not doing those minutes and FGA. And most importantly Blake Griffin actually shot the ball his rookie season. Ben has yet to show anyone he is comfortable taking jumpers let alone consistently. Forget makes just takes is what I'm referring too. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Griffin took a total of 24 3PA his rookie year. 73% of his shot attempts came within 10 ft of the rim. That seems pretty projectable for what we can expect of Simmons. You don't need a jumper to average 20 pts. Griffin didn't expand his game till much later.

I don't expect Simmons to play 38 mins but he should play 32-34 mins. He has been healthy for a long time now. A broken toe is not a navicular fracture or an ACL tear. If they are still babying him then I'll be worried that the Sixers are again hiding something.

What do you think Simmons' ppg will be next year?

3pt shots I'm not worried about from either. The ways in which Blake scored will be different from that of Ben Simmons is all I'm saying. And while he was a bad shooter his rookie year the attempts were simply there. I don't foresee that wth Ben given his attempts in college and summer league. They don't suggest he will all of a sudden shoot (close or not) at a rate Blake did as a rookie. Blake was just an explosive above the rim player. I just got finished watching some rookie clips from Blake to refresh my memory and I see plays where Ben is going to look to make a play as opposed to score in the manner Blake did.

But to answer your question I see 15ppg at the most his rookie season. I think he will be a stat stuffer but will have some bad shooting nights. Due to forcing contested shots at the rim. And with the way Sixers have handled guys injured not just Embiid. I don't think he plays 30min let alone 32-34. I see 28mpg at the most.

I'd love for Ben to prove me wrong.

[oldtimer28]

What if Simmons is good, not great (like Billy Owens.)

Would you still be ok with the pick or do you want him to be your marquee player?

For instance, maybe your team now becomes a perennial playoff team but has no huge superstar to win a championship. Would you still be happy or is it now championship or bust?

[Ericb5]

What if Simmons is good, not great (like Billy Owens.)

Would you still be ok with the pick or do you want him to be your marquee player?

For instance, maybe your team now becomes a perennial playoff team but has no huge superstar to win a championship. Would you still be happy or is it now championship or bust?

Embiid is a huge superstar and our best player regardless.

Simmons is better than Billy Owens. Owens was like Boris Diaw. A Swiss Army knife role playing forward. Simmons is a franchise player.




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[HotelVitale]

What if Simmons is good, not great (like Billy Owens.) Would you still be ok with the pick or do you want him to be your marquee player??

Not sure why you're bothering to ask. If Simmons at his peak is about the 60th-80th best player in the league then, yeah, we're not going to be thrilled. We could've gone out and signed someone like George Hill this summer--instead of tanking a season and doing backwards cartwheels when we won the lotto--if all we wanted was to add a vaguely above average starter.

If you're really asking how we feel about Simmons becoming a top-30 but not a top-10 guy, that's a different and more interesting question.

[PLO]

I'll be pleasantly surprised if Simmons averages over 15 pts a game in his first season. He's a non-shooting PG - I think his scoring will be determined by how many situations he gets the ball close to the basket given he hasn't proven he can shoot outside of 15 feet, but that means he will be vacating the PG role to position himself as a PF.

I'll be really interested to see how Brett Brown aims to get the ball to Simmons in his scoring zone; I think asking Simmons to drive into traffic with regularity as a PG is going to lead to a high rate of turnovers, but get him the ball (hopefully in a mismatch) within a zone close to the basket and he'll be a terror for opposing defences to deal with.

In other words I think Simmons raw numbers will be closely tied to what tactics Brett Brown uses; if he is indeed used as a traditional PG I wouldn't have thought his scoring is going to be that high; his assist numbers however will be. In the half court if Brown gets Simmons to switch from the PG spot to doing post-ups for example, I can see him scoring pretty freely.

[Aussiepiston1]

69 64 37.8 .409 .296 .766 4.6 8.3 1.8 .5 16.4 these are John wall's stats his rookie year
I think Simmons will have a similar year but with slightly less assists and way more rebounds. He is that good.

[Tiny ball]

What if Simmons is good, not great (like Billy Owens.)

Would you still be ok with the pick or do you want him to be your marquee player?

For instance, maybe your team now becomes a perennial playoff team but has no huge superstar to win a championship. Would you still be happy or is it now championship or bust?

Embiid is a huge superstar and our best player regardless.

Simmons is better than Billy Owens. Owens was like Boris Diaw. A Swiss Army knife role playing forward. Simmons is a franchise player.




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Embiid is not even close to being a star player..He has been in league two years and has not played half a season. If he is the sixers best player well you are in trouble.imho Simmons well he was not even playing against rookies in summer league?
I would not count my points rebounds and assists before he finishes his first NBA game. Franchise player you have to be kidding.

[oldtimer28]

What if Simmons is good, not great (like Billy Owens.) Would you still be ok with the pick or do you want him to be your marquee player??

Not sure why you're bothering to ask. If Simmons at his peak is about the 60th-80th best player in the league then, yeah, we're not going to be thrilled. We could've gone out and signed someone like George Hill this summer--instead of tanking a season and doing backwards cartwheels when we won the lotto--if all we wanted was to add a vaguely above average starter.

If you're really asking how we feel about Simmons becoming a top-30 but not a top-10 guy, that's a different and more interesting question.

Just wondering whose team is this (assuming everyone healthy.)

I assume Embid's team with Simmons facilitating/the all rounder, and possibly Fultz as an all star guard.

In other words, are all 3 league MVP candidates? If they clash, who should be top dog (yes, I know their skill sets are complimentary.)


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[freshie2]

Embiid is not even close to being a star player.

The only thing keeping Embiid from this status is playing time. If you watched him play or project his stats out over a normal playing time, then you can see he's on the star level.

[Simmons25]

What if Simmons is good, not great (like Billy Owens.)

Would you still be ok with the pick or do you want him to be your marquee player?

For instance, maybe your team now becomes a perennial playoff team but has no huge superstar to win a championship. Would you still be happy or is it now championship or bust?

Embiid is a huge superstar and our best player regardless.

Simmons is better than Billy Owens. Owens was like Boris Diaw. A Swiss Army knife role playing forward. Simmons is a franchise player.




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Embiid is not even close to being a star player..He has been in league two years and has not played half a season. If he is the sixers best player well you are in trouble.imho Simmons well he was not even playing against rookies in summer league?
I would not count my points rebounds and assists before he finishes his first NBA game. Franchise player you have to be kidding.

Embiid was basically all but voted to the all-star game after only 34 games into his career. When was the last player that happened to?

Injuries may stop him from ultimately becoming a superstar.... but that's all that will. Even the most casual basketball fan with the lowest IQ knows he has star qualities. For you to say "not even close to being a star player" Are you kidding me? Surely that's a troll. There are 29 other teams in the league that would kill to have Joel Embiid.

[Misteclipse]

He's a Celtics fan. Can't expect too much from him.

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[phillynative]

He's a Celtics fan. Can't expect too much from him.

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It must be frustrating for celtics fans to have a so-called big free agent signing( Gordon Hayward) and still not be considered favorites coming out of the east.