Markelle Fultz Discussion II

[Unbreakable99]

Two reasons for that:

1. Josh Harris gave a directive to Colangelo and the medical staff to make him play because he doesn't want the embarrassment of another year of the top pick missing games.

or

2. They examined him, found it to be something minor that can't be made worse by playing, and Fultz is just a sissy with pain tolerance.

Because remember, he sat out practices with the shoulder thing. If they truly went THAT far to put on a charade, that they made him miss practice to make it seem legit, then that's totally asinine, because if the shoulder issue isn't real then they basically sacrificed precious practice time simply to pull off some dumb production. I don't think he would have sat out of practice if it wasn't an issue.

My guess is the shoulder hurts, they examined him and found zero structural issues, and he's just kind of a wimp with pain and maybe he's the really meticulous type of person that when everything with his body doesn't feel "just so" he kind of falls all out of whack with his game.

Then explain how his shot is normal on pull-ups and when he’s on offense.

It isn't.



Does that look like a normal form? Dude looks like he's coming down with a rebound, there isn't even a shooting hand, both hands are on the sides of the ball. Looks like he's shooting with two hands like a 5th grader.

Compare that to college. Can clearly see the difference in his shooting hand placement.

He had the same form he did in summer league. He changed his form in summer league.

[ankle420breaker]

First game jitters... probably just not shooting as decisively as he normally would and it threw off his form. He also didn't have guys like Gortat closing out on him in college.

His free throw form on the other hand is still pretty damn bewildering.




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[LongLiveHinkie]

I acknowledged that he had one shot that looked like his original form and one that didn't, but it still didn't explain why sometimes it's whacked out and sometimes it isn't.

And honestly, with the way injuries have happened to this team, would you honestly be shocked if his shoulder really is a big deal? I mean, it's the Sixers we're talking about here. It's practically an indoctrination.

[76ciology]

After watching the replay. Seems like Fultz is better off playing in a similar set-up like Ben, that is with a reliable shooting SF&PG.

Starting line-up was a + unit. I’d call it the Ben Simmons savage mode unit. It was tailor fit for Ben. You got Bid/Ben at strong side with three very good shooters on the weakside. Almost unstoppable given Bid/Ben freak nature

2nd unit with struggling amir and dario was -, I think BB could tweak this with Fultz at PG then have TLC and Sauce or JA at the wings to spread the floor for Fultz drive and dish game. Think this unit should be Fultz savage mode unit.

BB tried to tweak it with Biid replacing Amir. When that 2nd unit+biid line-up is on the floor, it’s best we go for savage biid mode unit. Its probably his opportunity to be alpha on offense with Ben dominating the ball whenever both are on the court.

[Ericb5]

Two reasons for that:

1. Josh Harris gave a directive to Colangelo and the medical staff to make him play because he doesn't want the embarrassment of another year of the top pick missing games.

or

2. They examined him, found it to be something minor that can't be made worse by playing, and Fultz is just a sissy with pain tolerance.

Because remember, he sat out practices with the shoulder thing. If they truly went THAT far to put on a charade, that they made him miss practice to make it seem legit, then that's totally asinine, because if the shoulder issue isn't real then they basically sacrificed precious practice time simply to pull off some dumb production. I don't think he would have sat out of practice if it wasn't an issue.

My guess is the shoulder hurts, they examined him and found zero structural issues, and he's just kind of a wimp with pain and maybe he's the really meticulous type of person that when everything with his body doesn't feel "just so" he kind of falls all out of whack with his game.

Then explain how his shot is normal on pull-ups and when he’s on offense.

I think the regular form on pull-ups are because they are instinctual plays, whereas 3’s and free throws are shot with time to think. I think he is up in his head.

I predict that there will be a game sometime in the first month where he will score 25 or so and hit 4 3’s, and he will snap out of it.


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[LongLiveHinkie]

Shoulder injuries are no joke. I hope it isn't his shoulder, that could really mess up his development. So I hope you guys are right, but I don't know.

And if his shoulder is fine and it is in his head, then the coaching staff is doing a TERRIBLE job of getting him out of it. Horrible. If I were BB I'd flat out tell him he isn't playing unless he shoots at least 3 3 balls. And if they miss, they miss, but he needs to keep shooting. The only way to break out of a funk if it isn't his shoulder is to... you know... SHOOT. So if you guys are right, then the coaching staff needs to be called out on the carpet on this one. They clearly aren't doing their job in getting through to him.

[Negrodamus]

Two reasons for that:

1. Josh Harris gave a directive to Colangelo and the medical staff to make him play because he doesn't want the embarrassment of another year of the top pick missing games.

or

2. They examined him, found it to be something minor that can't be made worse by playing, and Fultz is just a sissy with pain tolerance.

Because remember, he sat out practices with the shoulder thing. If they truly went THAT far to put on a charade, that they made him miss practice to make it seem legit, then that's totally asinine, because if the shoulder issue isn't real then they basically sacrificed precious practice time simply to pull off some dumb production. I don't think he would have sat out of practice if it wasn't an issue.

My guess is the shoulder hurts, they examined him and found zero structural issues, and he's just kind of a wimp with pain and maybe he's the really meticulous type of person that when everything with his body doesn't feel "just so" he kind of falls all out of whack with his game.

Then explain how his shot is normal on pull-ups and when he’s on offense.

I think the regular form on pull-ups are because they are instinctual plays, whereas 3’s and free throws are shot with time to think. I think he is up in his head.

I predict that there will be a game sometime in the first month where he will score 25 or so and hit 4 3’s, and he will snap out of it.


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I'd let him shoot FTs like a jump shot if that's the case. Who cares about trying to look normal if his current form is the output.

[eyeatoma]

Shoulder injuries are no joke. I hope it isn't his shoulder, that could really mess up his development. So I hope you guys are right, but I don't know.

And if his shoulder is fine and it is in his head, then the coaching staff is doing a TERRIBLE job of getting him out of it. Horrible. If I were BB I'd flat out tell him he isn't playing unless he shoots at least 3 3 balls. And if they miss, they miss, but he needs to keep shooting. The only way to break out of a funk if it isn't his shoulder is to... you know... SHOOT. So if you guys are right, then the coaching staff needs to be called out on the carpet on this one. They clearly aren't doing their job in getting through to him.

This... Don't you have a contact in the team? Can you ask him what's going on? Tell him some of the things you're saying now...

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[LongLiveHinkie]

Shoulder injuries are no joke. I hope it isn't his shoulder, that could really mess up his development. So I hope you guys are right, but I don't know.

And if his shoulder is fine and it is in his head, then the coaching staff is doing a TERRIBLE job of getting him out of it. Horrible. If I were BB I'd flat out tell him he isn't playing unless he shoots at least 3 3 balls. And if they miss, they miss, but he needs to keep shooting. The only way to break out of a funk if it isn't his shoulder is to... you know... SHOOT. So if you guys are right, then the coaching staff needs to be called out on the carpet on this one. They clearly aren't doing their job in getting through to him.

This... Don't you have a contact in the team? Can you ask him what's going on? Tell him some of the things you're saying now...

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I don't. I was in a situation where I was able to speak with someone involved with the team, but that was an isolated thing.

[76ciology]

Then explain how his shot is normal on pull-ups and when he’s on offense.

It isn't.



Does that look like a normal form? Dude looks like he's coming down with a rebound, there isn't even a shooting hand, both hands are on the sides of the ball. Looks like he's shooting with two hands like a 5th grader.

Compare that to college. Can clearly see the difference in his shooting hand placement.

He had the same form he did in summer league. He changed his form in summer league.

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[sixerhp3]

I really think Fultz is just in his head, once we start winning and he gets more reps in he'll start shooting with more fluidity and confidence... good thing we have two other studs doing their thang while Fultz slowly gets back into the midst of things.

[eyeatoma]

Shoulder injuries are no joke. I hope it isn't his shoulder, that could really mess up his development. So I hope you guys are right, but I don't know.

And if his shoulder is fine and it is in his head, then the coaching staff is doing a TERRIBLE job of getting him out of it. Horrible. If I were BB I'd flat out tell him he isn't playing unless he shoots at least 3 3 balls. And if they miss, they miss, but he needs to keep shooting. The only way to break out of a funk if it isn't his shoulder is to... you know... SHOOT. So if you guys are right, then the coaching staff needs to be called out on the carpet on this one. They clearly aren't doing their job in getting through to him.

This... Don't you have a contact in the team? Can you ask him what's going on? Tell him some of the things you're saying now...

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I don't. I was in a situation where I was able to speak with someone involved with the team, but that was an isolated thing.

Ah... Damn...

[Kolkmania]

It isn't.



Does that look like a normal form? Dude looks like he's coming down with a rebound, there isn't even a shooting hand, both hands are on the sides of the ball. Looks like he's shooting with two hands like a 5th grader.

Compare that to college. Can clearly see the difference in his shooting hand placement.

He had the same form he did in summer league. He changed his form in summer league.

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On top of that he doesn't bring the ball back to his head before extending his elbow, which forces him to a sort of push shot. I feel that this motion puts more pressure on his shoulder than the more natural pull-up form he had. I'm in the camp that a big part of this is mentally and poor coaching.

[Negrodamus]

Watch on YouTube

This is a better depiction of Fultz's first game. Even in his "lowlights" he is showing great effort. I think there's some spatial recognition that might be lacking a bit (Wall alley oop, getting blocked from behind), but he is working. I'd give him more opportunities this game based on the effort. Played off ball pretty well too. Timely cuts.

[Ericb5]

Watch on YouTube

This is a better depiction of Fultz's first game. Even in his "lowlights" he is showing great effort. I think there's some spatial recognition that might be lacking a bit (Wall alley oop, getting blocked from behind), but he is working. I'd give him more opportunities this game based on the effort. Played off ball pretty well too. Timely cuts.

It wasn't a bad performance at all. That one play at about 1:15 in that video where Wall blocked his shot was a "welcome to the NBA" moment. Fultz made the move, but then hesitated for a millisecond, and Wall made the play. He could get away with that in college, but in the NBA he will have to learn that he has to drive through it more quickly. The league will punish hesitation in decision making.

Someone will probably point that out to him on film, and I expect that he will adjust.

[HotelVitale]

I think there's some spatial recognition that might be lacking a bit (Wall alley oop, getting blocked from behind), but he is working.... Played off ball pretty well too. Timely cuts.

One of the things I liked and thought would translate about Fultz was his understanding of spacing and timing, the way plays unfold and how to anticipate movements by a half second to time out his strikes/moves. At the same time one of the things I didn't like was that he always seemed to do everything needlessly slowly, had this weird exaggerated patience, like he was showing off that he wasn't going to be ruffled or panicked. Problem now is that he sort of needs to be ruffled and work on a new or modified understanding of pace and game speed, and it might be tough for him to speed up and adjust for NBA angles (with taller longer defenders) while still maintaining his timing and touch.

Gonna be interesting to watch, though, since he clearly has a gift for getting to his spots without overpowering defenders.

[Negrodamus]

Watch on YouTube

This is a better depiction of Fultz's first game. Even in his "lowlights" he is showing great effort. I think there's some spatial recognition that might be lacking a bit (Wall alley oop, getting blocked from behind), but he is working. I'd give him more opportunities this game based on the effort. Played off ball pretty well too. Timely cuts.

It wasn't a bad performance at all. That one play at about 1:15 in that video where Wall blocked his shot was a "welcome to the NBA" moment. Fultz made the move, but then hesitated for a millisecond, and Wall made the play. He could get away with that in college, but in the NBA he will have to learn that he has to drive through it more quickly. The league will punish hesitation in decision making.

Someone will probably point that out to him on film, and I expect that he will adjust.

Right, and the block from behind was definitely a play where he could have passed it out despite beating his man and taking it to the Gortat. I like the aggressiveness, but it was unnecessary and is easily fixed.

I guarantee that Brown told him not to settled on jump shots and to attack the basket constantly. I think we will start seeing some shots as we progress into the season.

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[Unbreakable99]

It’s time to start Fultz. Get him on the starting lineup. I’m done with Bayless. Get Fultz in there and let the kid learn on the fly.

[KrazySixersD]

Then explain how his shot is normal on pull-ups and when he’s on offense.

It isn't.



Does that look like a normal form? Dude looks like he's coming down with a rebound, there isn't even a shooting hand, both hands are on the sides of the ball. Looks like he's shooting with two hands like a 5th grader.

Compare that to college. Can clearly see the difference in his shooting hand placement.

He had the same form he did in summer league. He changed his form in summer league.

im just staring at this image, crying...

trying to figure out what it is that fultz thinks hes doing... is he doing this on purpose? is he trying to tank?

like there isnt an explanation in this world to make this ok... and no, there's no way shoulder pain is causing him to shoot that way