Markelle Fultz VIII: The Aftermath

[dorkestra]

I hope he becomes the GOAT. Nothing but the best.

yeah, liar.

What a weird, blatantly false thing to say. You want a failed experiment here to go on and become the GOAT? For the Magic I'm assuming? Thus probably beating your own team along the way, at some point? Why exactly? Because he not only failed to live up to expectations here, but he also made our rival better in the trade to acquire him? So better get out the pom poms and cheer for him to be what he was supposed to be here, elsewhere?

I'm sorry, give me a warning, do whatever you have to do for this response, Mods. But this false, fabricated, completely over the top being positive attitude for a player who has only hurt our own team during his time here is so bizarre, and fake. Just don't understand this mindset, and why my retort will be looked at as irrational, compared to what I'm responding to.

If it isn't obvious this is also a response to not just this poster but the general response from a decent amount of Sixers fans who are declaring their undying support for this kid going forward. I am not cheering for this kids at all. That doesn't make me a bad fan. It doesn't make the aforementioned fans good fans, either. It just makes you soft.

You have a different set of priorities than me. So no, not a liar. Did you really expect everyone to take the same narrow view that you have? That's just bizarre.

[Mik317]

What a weird response lol.

not everyone thinks the kid shot our dogs.

he didn't work out for us; it blows. But no need to wish ill will over it.

Its just basketball guys

[Bum Adebayo]

I hope he becomes the GOAT. Nothing but the best.

yeah, liar.

What a weird, blatantly false thing to say. You want a failed experiment here to go on and become the GOAT? For the Magic I'm assuming? Thus probably beating your own team along the way, at some point? Why exactly? Because he not only failed to live up to expectations here, but he also made our rival better in the trade to acquire him? So better get out the pom poms and cheer for him to be what he was supposed to be here, elsewhere?

I'm sorry, give me a warning, do whatever you have to do for this response, Mods. But this false, fabricated, completely over the top being positive attitude for a player who has only hurt our own team during his time here is so bizarre, and fake. Just don't understand this mindset, and why my retort will be looked at as irrational, compared to what I'm responding to.

If it isn't obvious this is also a response to not just this poster but the general response from a decent amount of Sixers fans who are declaring their undying support for this kid going forward. I am not cheering for this kids at all. That doesn't make me a bad fan. It doesn't make the aforementioned fans good fans, either. It just makes you soft.

I too wish him the best, it is not his fault that he sucks and Ainge fleeced us and identified how bad Markelle is. It doesn't make sense to root for a player only if he is on your team, unless you are very biased and only care about the Sixers.

[downtownpie]

Chauncey Billups is on NBA radio now saying that Markelle Fultz was BC's guy, but was never Brett Brown's guy. His agent is also Raymond Brothers so I'm going to assume he's correct on this. He's also saying Fultz needed a change of scenery and for a team/coach to believe in him and give him rope to play through mistakes, similar to himself at one point early in his career.

I assume all of this is what Brothers told him, so it's likely they wanted a trade to a better situation for him.

Sounds like Billups is helping Brothers spin a narrative that this mess isnt Fultz's fault.

Brown started Fultz when he clearly hadnt earned it so it's a bit rich to suggest he didnt suppprt Fultz.

[jbent87]

I hope he becomes the GOAT. Nothing but the best.

yeah, liar.

What a weird, blatantly false thing to say. You want a failed experiment here to go on and become the GOAT? For the Magic I'm assuming? Thus probably beating your own team along the way, at some point? Why exactly? Because he not only failed to live up to expectations here, but he also made our rival better in the trade to acquire him? So better get out the pom poms and cheer for him to be what he was supposed to be here, elsewhere?

I'm sorry, give me a warning, do whatever you have to do for this response, Mods. But this false, fabricated, completely over the top being positive attitude for a player who has only hurt our own team during his time here is so bizarre, and fake. Just don't understand this mindset, and why my retort will be looked at as irrational, compared to what I'm responding to.

If it isn't obvious this is also a response to not just this poster but the general response from a decent amount of Sixers fans who are declaring their undying support for this kid going forward. I am not cheering for this kids at all. That doesn't make me a bad fan. It doesn't make the aforementioned fans good fans, either. It just makes you soft.

You have a different set of priorities than me. So no, not a liar. Did you really expect everyone to take the same narrow view that you have? That's just bizarre.

I definitely don't expect everyone to have the same view as me. But I don't expect anyone to have the view that you do, in hoping he becomes the GOAT. He wasn't a very likable player here toward the end. He got the benefit of the doubt early, but as this dragged on and on, and suddenly we're supposed to believe that ya know what, this is all just TOS, and once that's figured out he'll be fine? He was given a 3-6 week window on TOS in early December. That was the last we heard of him, as 2+ months later and he's gone. So the TOS quick turn around was more damage control done by his camp, refusing to even acknowledge any semblance of this being mental.

He had a disastrous two years here. And I know it had to have been hard on him which I sympathize with. Wishing him well is fine. Wishing him to become the GOAT, is just weird. If I never hear from him again, fine. If he turns it around fine. I'm not hoping for him to become an elite superstar/GOAT level player though. There's no rooting interest, to that extent. This is a wipe your hands and move on situation, not a remain invested and hope he proves everyone wrong as he rises to super-stardom deal, like the original comment I responded to acted like.

[Arsenal]

Chauncey Billups is on NBA radio now saying that Markelle Fultz was BC's guy, but was never Brett Brown's guy. His agent is also Raymond Brothers so I'm going to assume he's correct on this. He's also saying Fultz needed a change of scenery and for a team/coach to believe in him and give him rope to play through mistakes, similar to himself at one point early in his career.

I assume all of this is what Brothers told him, so it's likely they wanted a trade to a better situation for him.

Sounds like Billups is helping Brothers spin a narrative that this mess isnt Fultz's fault.

Brown started Fultz when he clearly hadnt earned it so it's a bit rich to suggest he didnt suppprt Fultz.

Agree with your first point. Whether it is true or not, Billups is helping out Brothers here.

As for the 2nd, I'm not so sure. Everyone on this damn board, and everyone with any knowledge of basketball whatsoever knew we could not pair Fultz and Simmons together successfully. Forcing Fultz into the starting lineup as a terrible fit may have been Brown's way of proving that Fultz isn't the guy, like LloydFree said. He couldn't have possibly thought it would work.

[FireMorey]

lol Audi went back over to the Magic board and trashed all of us. Calling us pieces of crap, garbage, and butt hurt and we were being unfair to Fultz by thinking he isn't hurt and it's a mental block.

Can't say we didn't warn him, and I say that as someone who hopes Fultz succeeds.

[kuclas]

I just re read the draft picks. Basically if okc finishes 12 out of 30 nba teams in 2020 (top 20 protected). Which is always a possibility with the way the nba western conference is going.

That pick becomes (2) 2nd round picks for 2022 and 2023.

So essentially sixers will have gotten 3 (2nd round picks for fultz). Plus Jonathan Simmons who May never crack the rotation and be waived at end of the season.

[LloydFree]

Chauncey Billups is on NBA radio now saying that Markelle Fultz was BC's guy, but was never Brett Brown's guy. His agent is also Raymond Brothers so I'm going to assume he's correct on this. He's also saying Fultz needed a change of scenery and for a team/coach to believe in him and give him rope to play through mistakes, similar to himself at one point early in his career.

I assume all of this is what Brothers told him, so it's likely they wanted a trade to a better situation for him.

It was obvious to me that Fultz wasn't Brett Brown's guy the minute he drafted three (3) different 6'5 combo guards, who did all of the things that Fultz was alleged to have the ability to do.

[FlyingArrow]

I just re read the draft picks. Basically if okc finishes 12 out of 30 nba teams in 2020 (top 20 protected). Which is always a possibility with the way the nba western conference is going.

That pick becomes (2) 2nd round picks for 2022 and 2023.

So essentially sixers will have gotten 3 (2nd round picks for fultz). Plus Jonathan Simmons who May never crack the rotation and be waived at end of the season.

Yeah, that's a pretty terrible return. Protected picks that turn into garbage are a pretty bad deal.

[FireMorey]

Instead of looking at the trade as we got a protected first rounder, a 2nd rounder, and Simmons for Fultz, look at it as we got that for a guy who is terrified of shooting a basketball. And it’ll seem better. He’s not Markelle Fultz anymore.

[Arsenal]

I just re read the draft picks. Basically if okc finishes 12 out of 30 nba teams in 2020 (top 20 protected). Which is always a possibility with the way the nba western conference is going.

That pick becomes (2) 2nd round picks for 2022 and 2023.

So essentially sixers will have gotten 3 (2nd round picks for fultz). Plus Jonathan Simmons who May never crack the rotation and be waived at end of the season.

The West is getting worse with so many stars coming East. Barring injury to Westbrook or George, that pick is going to convey as a 1st rounder.

[FlyingArrow]

I just re read the draft picks. Basically if okc finishes 12 out of 30 nba teams in 2020 (top 20 protected). Which is always a possibility with the way the nba western conference is going.

That pick becomes (2) 2nd round picks for 2022 and 2023.

So essentially sixers will have gotten 3 (2nd round picks for fultz). Plus Jonathan Simmons who May never crack the rotation and be waived at end of the season.

The West is getting worse with so many stars coming East. Barring injury to Westbrook or George, that pick is going to convey as a 1st rounder.

Yeah but by fast the worst part of the trade is that now we're rooting for Westbrook.

[Ugly0598]

The thing I can't get over in regards to the diagnosis or whatever his problem was, is that he was suddenly unable to play and had his agent announce his suddenly show stopping issues immediately after Brett Brown chose to sit him in the 2nd half of a game after he had a sloppy, turnover filled stretch in the first half. Not because he double clutched shots or was unable to lift his arm, but just played badly. I think that tells you everything you need to know about the mental state / support team / physical issues / thin skin that is Markelle Fultz. Be happy he's no longer our concern.

I agree.

I'll be interested to see how he does without Ben, he honestly looked like a rotational player against the Pistons in October. So it will be interesting how he does with the ball in his hands.

I just don't really expect anything other than 10/4/4 on 37% from the field.

[shlo]

As for the 2nd, I'm not so sure. Everyone on this damn board, and everyone with any knowledge of basketball whatsoever knew we could not pair Fultz and Simmons together successfully. Forcing Fultz into the starting lineup as a terrible fit may have been Brown's way of proving that Fultz isn't the guy, like LloydFree said. He couldn't have possibly thought it would work.

This is what had me against trading up for Fultz from the very beginning. Everybody bought into the hype that he was the best fit. I just didn't see it at all. He was a ball dominant player in college. Simmons was going to be the PG. They two were never ever going to fit. Ever. Starting Fultz alongside Ben this year was a total disaster because Fultz strength was distributing for other guys. He was forced to play the role that he was least capable of. It was the Sixers last chance to have a high impact draft pick for a while. I'll never forgive Colangelo. If he didn't get fired for the burners, he'd have gotten fired for his performance as a GM.

[Bum Adebayo]

Ben needs to be surrounded by elite shooters, and Fultz never was that, he got hot in college with his 3pt% but distance is shorter and he had low FT% and his catch and shoot mechanics were iffy. On a team where we already have Embiid who is a below average 3pt shooter, it was never going to work.

[shlo]

Ben needs to be surrounded by elite shooters, and Fultz never was that, he got hot in college with his 3pt% but distance is shorter and he had low FT% and his catch and shoot mechanics were iffy. On a team where we already have Embiid who is a below average 3pt shooter, it was never going to work.

As much as I'm frustrated that Fultz was obviously never going to be a good fit with Simmons, it's also frustrating that the Sixers have to be so careful with whom they surround Simmons because if his obvious shortcomings as a shooter.

[LloydFree]

Ben needs to be surrounded by elite shooters, and Fultz never was that, he got hot in college with his 3pt% but distance is shorter and he had low FT% and his catch and shoot mechanics were iffy. On a team where we already have Embiid who is a below average 3pt shooter, it was never going to work.

As much as I'm frustrated that Fultz was obviously never going to be a good fit with Simmons, it's also frustrating that the Sixers have to be so careful with whom they surround Simmons because if his obvious shortcomings as a shooter.

Teams have built around their best players forever. In the 80's the Lakers traded for nothing but shooters and guys that could run the break, to get the most out of Magic Johnson. The Lakers traded their All-star PG, Norm Nixon for Rookie Byron Scott, because he could run and shoot. You win championships by building and accentuating your Stars.

If you don't fit, you gotta go.

[Bum Adebayo]

Ben needs to be surrounded by elite shooters, and Fultz never was that, he got hot in college with his 3pt% but distance is shorter and he had low FT% and his catch and shoot mechanics were iffy. On a team where we already have Embiid who is a below average 3pt shooter, it was never going to work.

As much as I'm frustrated that Fultz was obviously never going to be a good fit with Simmons, it's also frustrating that the Sixers have to be so careful with whom they surround Simmons because if his obvious shortcomings as a shooter.

I would agree with most players, but Simmons is really special, he is absolutely worth it to build around him.

[kriss73]

Legit source?
https://phillyfrontoffice.net/blog/2019/02/10/fultzs-mother-76ers/

If so, we need to check mothers during the draft process.
Fultz's mother is apparently even worse than KJ's mother (...and Okafor's father )