Brett Brown : Not Today!

[James40]

How can you fire a coach that’s only had an actual NBA team for two seasons?

[sixers hoops]

Brett Brown started coaching in the 80s, Jarron is part of a new generation of coaches, there's a difference there. Brown has also been in the job for six years and right now has a starting five that rivals Golden State's. IF he reaches the goal of reaching further than he did last year then his chances of staying improve dramatically. If he doesn't then what else would you expect the owners/GM to do? Brett knew what the expectations where before the playoffs started. It also makes me laugh how folks are defending Brown, who has a losing record, but will slander Ty Lue at the same time.

Would folks honestly take the Cavs team from last year over this years Sixers team? I very much doubt it. Yet Ty Lue got out of the East with that squad.

It's not about defending Brown as much as the fact that the coach doesn't matter very much so people should stop worrying about it to the degree you do. Like you said a better coach would make us a "million times more likely to win" which is just wrong. Ty Lue made the finals more recently than Pop won a playoff round. It only matters when the guy is just abjectly horrible like Jason Kidd or something, which Brown isn't.

What's important about Brown is that this team has gone through way too much instability lately, both from a roster and front office standpoint. They've even had 3/4 lead assistants in the last two years. You can't keep changing everything up with a basketball team every couple of months and expect to have consistent performance. So they should at least give them a chance for stability heading into next year, and if it doesn't work next year then you make the change. Hiring an NBA head coaching isn't like hiring a new person to run the counter at Wawa, there's a real transition that has to happen that involves like 25 people changing roles.

If ownership fires Brown, it'll be more a PR move or bringing a new voice for the players versus some sort of expected tactical advantage. At least if they know what they're doing, which isn't guaranteed.

I disagree regarding the importance of a coach tbh. The best coaches have a philosophy they implement that encourages success. They also know how to both improve their players and inspire them to reach a level of performance that said players may not have believed was possible. Brett has stepped up tactically In these playoffs and I'm not gonna be pulling my hair out if he does end up staying. I just think that a better coach may be whats needed to take this team to another level IF Brett fails tomorrow. If we get to the East finals though and at least compete well, then he probably will have earned another year. I just think Ty Lue would surprise a lot of people if he ended up In Philly. He's only 42 years old with a winning record and experiences money cannot buy. And also has the potential to get even better as a coach as he moves forward. The likes of Pop didn't even become an NBA head coach until he was in his mid 40s? And yet Ty has already won a title and been to three finals at a younger age.

I think a lot will depend on what Embiid, Simmons, and Butler think of Brett; nevertheless, I think Brett has slowly developed so much knowledge, direction, and understanding, regarding how to deal with these mismatched puzzle pieces that he would have an insurmountable lead over any new coach putting together a winning team next year.

Brett’s understanding of this roster and what pieces need to be added could be invaluable toward getting us off to a running start next season. Lue or anybody else could struggle mightily at the beginning trying to figure out how to mold these pieces.

I think Brett has been very slow learning to figure out some pretty obvious things, but he has a several year head start over the competition, and with a healthy Embiiid could have very well won this series already.

His input into rounding out the rotation this summer to put everybody in the right position could be very valuable. If Simmons and others improve, we make the right additions via free agency, the rotation players become more cohesive with more time together, we don’t make major in-season trades next season, and Brett continues to improve, I think we could be in very good shape next year.

[PhillyPhilly]

[b]No that's just the most drastic and obvious example. If you want to knock him for failing to develop Jakarr Sampson into an all-star go ahead. [/b]

I'm just saying developing one player is six years is nothing to write home about. And this is one of my main issues with Brett because a coach who can develop talent is much more likely to have a strong bench in the long run.

Our rotation currently consists of THREE players that started the season here. It is not easy integrating almost an entire new rotation into a cohesive defense during the season.

Tbh though he does have three very decent defenders in Joel, Jimmy and Ben so one would have expected a better performance.

He got zero wins (albeit in only six games) out his garbage team last season so I'm not sure the point you're trying to make

Cavs are in tank mode though BK. So if we're not gonna judge Brett when it comes to that then we can't judge Ty, right?

He doesn't choose who is coaching the other team. But he has been better and shown improvement these playoffs. As you pointed out, Lue could improve as a coach so it's noteworthy that Brown has improved as a coach.

I'm just saying that he's not come up against an established coach who has a record of winning over a long period of time.He has more experience NBA head coach experience than Atkinson and Nurse combined after all.

I don't offer this as a knock on Lue but only to demonstrate that's questionable how much he has proven as a coach. Phil Jackson was a wizard. Then he went to the Knicks without Jordan/Pippen or Shaq/Kobe and it didn't work out so well. Turns out having some of the best players of all time was more important than the vaunted triangle offense. And if the Lakers/LeBron really thought not having Lue was the reason they didn't make the playoffs, I can't imagine they would have balked at giving him more than 3 years. More likely, the rest of the team was garbage and LeBron missed too many games due to injury to compensate.

I believe the roster Ty had last year and him managing to get to the NBA finals was a massive achievement and showed his quality as a coach. Jackson was old by the time he got to the Knicks and perhaps the game had moved on. Ty is still young though and is still learning and developing as a coach (hence why he worked with Doc last season).

[PhillyPhilly]

It's not about defending Brown as much as the fact that the coach doesn't matter very much so people should stop worrying about it to the degree you do. Like you said a better coach would make us a "million times more likely to win" which is just wrong. Ty Lue made the finals more recently than Pop won a playoff round. It only matters when the guy is just abjectly horrible like Jason Kidd or something, which Brown isn't.

What's important about Brown is that this team has gone through way too much instability lately, both from a roster and front office standpoint. They've even had 3/4 lead assistants in the last two years. You can't keep changing everything up with a basketball team every couple of months and expect to have consistent performance. So they should at least give them a chance for stability heading into next year, and if it doesn't work next year then you make the change. Hiring an NBA head coaching isn't like hiring a new person to run the counter at Wawa, there's a real transition that has to happen that involves like 25 people changing roles.

If ownership fires Brown, it'll be more a PR move or bringing a new voice for the players versus some sort of expected tactical advantage. At least if they know what they're doing, which isn't guaranteed.

I disagree regarding the importance of a coach tbh. The best coaches have a philosophy they implement that encourages success. They also know how to both improve their players and inspire them to reach a level of performance that said players may not have believed was possible. Brett has stepped up tactically In these playoffs and I'm not gonna be pulling my hair out if he does end up staying. I just think that a better coach may be whats needed to take this team to another level IF Brett fails tomorrow. If we get to the East finals though and at least compete well, then he probably will have earned another year. I just think Ty Lue would surprise a lot of people if he ended up In Philly. He's only 42 years old with a winning record and experiences money cannot buy. And also has the potential to get even better as a coach as he moves forward. The likes of Pop didn't even become an NBA head coach until he was in his mid 40s? And yet Ty has already won a title and been to three finals at a younger age.

I think a lot will depend on what Embiid, Simmons, and Butler think of Brett; nevertheless, I think Brett has slowly developed so much knowledge, direction, and understanding, regarding how to deal with these mismatched puzzle pieces that he would have an insurmountable lead over any new coach putting together a winning team next year.

Brett’s understanding of this roster and what pieces need to be added could be invaluable toward getting us off to a running start next season. Lue or anybody else could struggle mightily at the beginning trying to figure out how to mold these pieces.

I think Brett has been very slow learning to figure out some pretty obvious things, but he has a several year head start over the competition, and with a healthy Embiiid could have very well won this series already.

His input into rounding out the rotation this summer to put everybody in the right position could be very valuable. If Simmons and others improve, we make the right additions via free agency, the rotation players become more cohesive with more time together, we don’t make major in-season trades next season, and Brett continues to improve, I think we could be in very good shape next year.

Fair enough, can't argue with this at all. I don't hate Brett and kind of like his positive personality. This game can give you a gut check though and I'll be fine either way. I'm not sure a new coach would be that far behind though because four of the starting five picks itself. And we all pretty much know that depth and a better/younger SG is needed to move forward. I just think about Ty Lue walking into that locker room and sharing his knowledge and experience regarding how to get out the east and to the NBA finals. He's done what we're all dreaming of our sixers doing, which is win a championship. And that's why I find him appealing for the job should it become available.

[poomaster]

Outside fan chiming in. Brett Brown seems like a class act who always supports his players.

Don't follow Sixers closely but with the chaos surrounding this team from Colangelo to Fultz and making all these new players mesh, to the massive player turnover and trades, having this team in game 7 of the East semis seems like a solid accomplishment especially when you don't know whether your star player is going to be available to play every game.

[PhillyPhilly]

the idea that LeBron lost this year because he didn't have Lue is the biggest stretch I have ever seen.

His team was bad this year because he got hurt and then tried to trade all of them and they quit on HIM. Those Cavs team made the finals because Bron would go **** every single playoffs and put up stupid numbers. Lue had **** all to do with that. Bron couldn't do that this year because father time finally caught up w/ him and for the first time in his career he couldn't get his way. That last year w/ the Cavs the team gave up on Lue multiple times. And sans the Raptors, they squeaked into the finals...again on the back of some insane performances from LeBron.

Now again Brett is not a genius but I just don't think Lue is the massive step up the team will need if you make that move. Embiid and Ben both love the guy, so the next guy HAS to be a massive improvement or you will alienate your two core pieces.

the next coach needs to improve on the things Brett struggles with and also bring the same things he is good with. IMO, Lue has not shown anything that says he is that IMO. I did not see this master gameplan guy...because his main source of offense was give the ball to LeBron and hope he bails us out. We don't have a Bron...so yeah. He also quit on the Cavs at the start of the year.

Didn't Boston have the better roster last year? Didn't Golden State have an incredible team and season when Cavs beat them? I'm sorry but ONE guy is not beating those teams. Lebron was great yes, but you cannot go up against those teams without a proper game plan and even Kevin Love came out recently and waxed lyrical about how great Ty is with the x's and o's. Also why wouldn't Ben and Joel respect him? Have they won a championship like Lue? Infact Ty has won championships as both a player and coach, so if they wouldn't respect that then who else could they respect exactly?

[Mik317]

No one is going to come out and say "Lue sucked ass a coach" there is no need to burn bridges that way...so no **** he's going to say nice things about him.

also NOW Boston was a good team? then I guess losing to them wasn't so bad after all, eh?

The fact is that LeBron was doing legendary **** and put those teams on his back (and even if you don't want to give him that...then he also had two all stars on his team in Kyrie and Love); that is the main reason those teams won.

Not saying Lue had nothing to do w/ it but LeBron had most to do w/ that teams success and as such I don't think Lue has shown enough to be obviously better than Brett. He may be...but I saw nothing that made it obviously so AND thus I rather not replace Brett with a guy who so far has shown the ability to only win w/ LeBron James. There is legit past history showing this w/ Mike Brown, who got jobs for that very reason.

[PhillyPhilly]

No one is going to come out and say "Lue sucked ass a coach" there is no need to burn bridges that way...so no **** he's going to say nice things about him.

also NOW Boston was a good team? then I guess losing to them wasn't so bad after all, eh?

The fact is that LeBron was doing legendary **** and put those teams on his back (and even if you don't want to give him that...then he also had two all stars on his team in Kyrie and Love); that is the main reason those teams won.

Not saying Lue had nothing to do w/ it but LeBron had most to do w/ that teams success and as such I don't think Lue has shown enough to be obviously better than Brett. He may be...but I saw nothing that made it obviously so AND thus I rather not replace Brett with a guy who so far has shown the ability to only win w/ LeBron James. There is legit past history showing this w/ Mike Brown, who got jobs for that very reason.

But again you're bringing forth an argument that has to be challenged. If Lue's success is only down to Lebron, then Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Steve Kerr and Pop's success are down to their stars players too right? Is that what you're saying considering all of those guys have had way more talent to work with than Lue?

[Mik317]

yes.

except sans Kerr. All of those guys have had success elsewhere. Piley was successful in 3 places...each with different people. Phil won in two places. Pop retooled SA multiple times. Lue only won w/ Bron and then bailed when he didn't have him....and he only won once really (against a great team for sure tho). Again not saying he can't be a great coach but nothing he did w/ Cavs showed me that he was one IMO. Pop has a system; Riley had multiple systems; Phill has a system (one that no longer works but still). Lue's system far as I know was get the ball to Bron and have him barrell to the rim...and that worked but also didn't. For all the talk of Brett not making anyone better....Lue damn sure didn't either.

[FlyingArrow]

I don't know if I prefer Brett or Lue. But I know that I prefer having Ben, Joel, Jimmy, and Tobias. Hopefully one of those guys makes all 4 of them happy at the same time. If so, I want that coach.

Is there anyone else out there that is a "safe" bet? I'm not very interested in rolling the dice with a potential disaster of a coach.

[Mik317]

we all lived through Eddie Jordan

so it can always be worse is how I approach it lol

[sixers hoops]

I’m gonna chose to believe this isn’t accurate. Regardless of what you think of Brown, leaving his job up to whether a team wins a game 7 on the road and then beats a 60 win team without home court is idiotic. Either he’s the guy or he’s not.

Not sure if it’s true, but Brett’s trying to prepare for the biggest game of his career and this is prob a significant distraction.

A lot of people would just say ignore it, but I don’t think it’s that easy. However, when you have a roster with several all-stars, you are going to have some pretty high expectations every year.

[Hipster Doofus]

Brown ain't going anywhere, don't believe this crap coming out the night before game 7.

They say where there's smoke, there's a fire. Sometimes though it's fabricated smoke leading to a fabricated fire.

Chill and enjoy the game. GOOOOOO SIXERS!!!!!

[PhillyPhilly]

yes.

except sans Kerr. All of those guys have had success elsewhere. Piley was successful in 3 places...each with different people. Phil won in two places. Pop retooled SA multiple times. Lue only won w/ Bron and then bailed when he didn't have him....and he only won once really (against a great team for sure tho). Again not saying he can't be a great coach but nothing he did w/ Cavs showed me that he was one IMO. Pop has a system; Riley had multiple systems; Phill has a system (one that no longer works but still). Lue's system far as I know was get the ball to Bron and have him barrell to the rim...and that worked but also didn't. For all the talk of Brett not making anyone better....Lue damn sure didn't either.

Well Jackson and Riley also had great players in those different places didn't they? So with our current roster what would be stopping Lue from having success? The common theme amongst those manager and Lue is they all won championships with great players. Eric Spoelstra won titles with Lebron and hasn't won any since, yet he's called a good coach and Lue isn't which is strange to me.

[76ciology]

are u guys excited for the tyrone lue era?

[TTP]

It also makes me laugh how folks are defending Brown, who has a losing record, but will slander Ty Lue at the same time.

This single statement sums up a lot about how you think and what you value. In your statement, you imply that Ty Lue's history of deep playoff success is sufficient enough evidence that he should automatically be above any coach with a losing history. Taking this statement even further, you're essentially claiming that it's impossible for a bad coach to win a Finals. Ty Lue won a finals, therefore he is a good coach. It's black and white for you - you value a history of winning and scoff at a history of losing.

Some people prefer to think a bit more critically about the matter and consider the context behind the winning and losing. I strongly believe that it's possible for a bad coach to win a championship, thus I don't believe that Lue's championship is sufficient in labeling him a good coach.

It's also pretty weird for you to bring up Belichick and simultaneously stick by your beliefs because his Browns tenure is a serious counterargument. If you were put in charge of hiring the Patriots' new coach in 2000, you'd laugh at the folks defending Belichick and his losing record with the Browns and probably end up hiring Super Bowl winner Mike Ditka after he got fired from the Saints. Fortunately for Patriots fans, Robert Kraft didn't share your thinking.

[phifans]

I would like to have Dave Joerger as the replacement.

[Kova]

He doesn't deserve to be fired regardless of the outcome. He never had the same roster for 1 full season to work with.
There's no coach in the world who would have been able to achieve more in those circumstances.

[PhillyPhilly]

It also makes me laugh how folks are defending Brown, who has a losing record, but will slander Ty Lue at the same time.

This single statement sums up a lot about how you think and what you value. In your statement, you imply that Ty Lue's history of deep playoff success is sufficient enough evidence that he should automatically be above any coach with a losing history. Taking this statement even further, you're essentially claiming that it's impossible for a bad coach to win a Finals. Ty Lue won a finals, therefore he is a good coach. It's black and white for you - you value a history of winning and scoff at a history of losing.

Some people prefer to think a bit more critically about the matter and consider the context behind the winning and losing. I strongly believe that it's possible for a bad coach to win a championship, thus I don't believe that Lue's championship is sufficient in labeling him a good coach.

It's also pretty weird for you to bring up Belichick and simultaneously stick by your beliefs because his Browns tenure is a serious counterargument. If you were put in charge of hiring the Patriots' new coach in 2000, you'd laugh at the folks defending Belichick and his losing record with the Browns and probably end up hiring Super Bowl winner Mike Ditka after he got fired from the Saints. Fortunately for Patriots fans, Robert Kraft didn't share your thinking.

Well actually Belichick at least had an indisputable quality where being a defensive genius is concerned, so it's not like the man was a complete scrub after his Cleveland experience. Anyway what is your definition of a good coach then if having a winning record, reaching three finals and beating the best regular season team in history in the finals doesn't count? Billy Donavan, Brad Stevens, Mike Malone, Mike Di'antoni etc are all looked upon as good coaches right? And they ALL have a superstar or all-star player on their roster, but yet none of them have won a title like Lue.

If you don't value winners then that's your business. I just see a coach that is still very young but has experienced so much in his career already with the potential to get even better if put in the right situation. In order for me to believe that Lue is indeed a "bad coach", someone will have to show me what separates him from Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Erik Spoelstra and Steve Kerr, that's all I'm asking.

[Tomhomes33]

As Raptors fan I will say this. If BB is coaching Raptors instead of NN..Raps in 5 this series.
Firing him if sign of unstable management. Colangelo is gone for Christ sake..good days ahead for tour franchise..Raps started getting Better as soon as Ujiri took over Colangelo’s job.