The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

[Kobblehead]

Simmons dropped the ball in a major way against the Mavericks. Probably his worst performance all year. This is the type of performance that makes me doubt whether or not he even wants to be more than he is right now.

[TheBallsDeeper]

Simmons dropped the ball in a major way against the Mavericks. Probably his worst performance all year. This is the type of performance that makes me doubt whether or not he even wants to be more than he is right now.

Terrible take.

Simmons was dominating until some ridiculous soft fouls took him out of the game. I'm a huge Simmons critic, but it looks like you are just trying to bait people with this post.

[TJ McGODnell]

Simmons dropped the ball in a major way against the Mavericks. Probably his worst performance all year. This is the type of performance that makes me doubt whether or not he even wants to be more than he is right now.

Terrible take.

Simmons was dominating until some ridiculous soft fouls took him out of the game. I'm a huge Simmons critic, but it looks like you are just trying to bait people with this post.

Ben still played most of the 2nd half. He also played more minutes in total than any player from either team tonight.

How can he not score a SINGLE POINT in the 2nd half of a game where we needed him to takeover without Embiid?

He was 0/4 with a -31 +/- in the 2nd half. That is completely unacceptable from our max salary 'star'...

[76ciology]

Ben is limited. There are ways to take him out from the game. When that happens, it opens some opportunities for the other guys. BB needs to put them into position to succeed.

[TheBallsDeeper]

Simmons dropped the ball in a major way against the Mavericks. Probably his worst performance all year. This is the type of performance that makes me doubt whether or not he even wants to be more than he is right now.

Terrible take.

Simmons was dominating until some ridiculous soft fouls took him out of the game. I'm a huge Simmons critic, but it looks like you are just trying to bait people with this post.

Ben still played most of the 2nd half. He also played more minutes in total than any player from either team tonight.

How can he not score a SINGLE POINT in the 2nd half of a game where we needed him to takeover without Embiid?

He was 0/4 with a -31 +/- in the 2nd half. That is completely unacceptable from our max salary 'star'...

Ben was the best player on the court until he got his third foul, then he went into his shell. Some of the calls today were just bizarre.

He obviously had to back off on defense, but I think he was also worried about offensive fouls. His only offense is to bully his way to the rim, his lack of shooting means that if he is in foul trouble he is out of the game.

Until he drops the ego and changes to his correct shooting hand he will have 0 point second halves, but I think Kobblehead is wrong in saying it was his worst performance or that he doesn't want it is way off the mark - he is poorly coached and has no plan B, so he struggled in the second half.

[Last pick]

I would be very curious to see this player in a coached team. I think everybody could be surprised.

[Kobblehead]

Terrible take.

Simmons was dominating until some ridiculous soft fouls took him out of the game. I'm a huge Simmons critic, but it looks like you are just trying to bait people with this post.

Stop it. He was scoreless in the second half, bro. Scoreless. Worst game of the year for him.

[mjkvol]

I have said that i dont see the Embiid-Simmons pairing lasting long, but this might be their last year together.

Brown has asked Simmons to take a 3 per game and Simmons has not only disrespected him but also Embiid, who has sacrificed his game to help the team. It is hard to see how this goes on past this summer.

Not even defending Ben...he 1000% needs to be able to shoot some kind of jumper, even if it isn’t a 3. And I’m not against trading him if it makes the team better.
But with that said, I don’t know if I’m ready to bemoan Embiid a martyr that we must save either. Between the playoffs and so far this season there have to be serious questions about how exactly how many superstar minutes we are really getting out of Embiid a season. Being healthy and getting max effort seem to be aligning less and less. I’m sure I’m in the vast minority, but I would trade Embiid if the right deal came along as well...however unlikely that is.

Yea there are questions with Embiid.

I am not even blaming Simmons here though, in his shoes i would also push back if people wanted to judge me based on the weakest part of my game. Everyone has put the onus on him to provide spacing and it is understandable that he doesnt like it. The same way any player who sees himself as star wouldn't like it if people demanded that he becomes good at his worst skill in order to help the team and everything is judged solely on this. In the end if the team doesnt like his skill set, which was there when drafted, it only makes sense to trade him or not extend him.

Drafting and extending him while they know his strengths and weaknesses and then demanding that he changes completely his game doesnt make much sense and i am not sure Simmons is willing to accommodate them until he becomes good at shooting. Because in that case he would put the blame for a potential failure on him for not being a good shooter and not on the team for the ill fitting roster.

This is an excellent post, and the bolded part especially. Handing a guy a boatload of money knowing exactly what he is and then saying "by the way, we won't succeed until you improve the one skill you don't possess" is bizarre, to say the least. Either scheme to maximize the skill set he has, or move him.

[mjkvol]

I would be very curious to see this player in a coached team. I think everybody could be surprised.

This.

[Bum Adebayo]

Yeah, he is not without blame, but he would be in a much better place mentally if not for Brett. Dude can dominate when motivated, but something is just wrong mentally with him. I would trade him just to save his career TBH.

[Kobblehead]

I don't think there's a coach in the league that handles personalities with as much care as Brett Brown. If a guy is falling out of love with the game so young in his career under Brett's watch, it would probably be even worse in other places.

[mjkvol]

Yeah, he is not without blame, but he would be in a much better place mentally if not for Brett. Dude can dominate when motivated, but something is just wrong mentally with him. I would trade him just to save his career TBH.

I'd just like to know why it seems like a given that Brown will be here, but personnel will continue to be shuffled, year in and year out. At what point does ownership say "enough - he makes this work or he's the next one to go"?

[mjkvol]

I don't think there's a coach in the league that handles personalities with as much care as Brett Brown. If a guy is falling out of love with the game so young in his career under Brett's watch, it would probably be even worse in other places.

But when "handling personalities" becomes coddling, how is that actually helping a player to improve? Especially a kid like Simmons.

[Bum Adebayo]

It doesn't, what his coddling does is let Simmons remain in his confort zone.

[Kobblehead]

But when "handling personalities" becomes coddling, how is that actually helping a player to improve? Especially a kid like Simmons.

It doesn't, what his coddling does is let Simmons remain in his confort zone.

What's he supposed to do, though? Do you know how fast a guy like Ben Simmons could possibly shutdown the moment someone takes a hardline approach with him?

Even Embiid has to handle comments made about his shooting with kid gloves. Even the outspoken Jimmy had to hold his tongue with public comments directed towards Simmons.

Everyone would rather just coddle him and get pretty good performances out of him than to push him for great performances and risk having him shell up and freeze everyone out and demand a trade.

[Last pick]

I don't think there's a coach in the league that handles personalities with as much care as Brett Brown. If a guy is falling out of love with the game so young in his career under Brett's watch, it would probably be even worse in other places.

Really? Give me a name of a player developed by Brown. I mean improved in learning of the game, mentality and self-confidence.

[Kobblehead]

Really? Give me a name of a player developed by Brown. I mean improved in learning of the game, mentality and self-confidence.

I'm not talking about player development. I'm talking about the care he takes in being inoffensive towards fragile mentalities. It's not Brett's fault we keep bringing in guys he has to walk on eggshells around like Fultz, and a much lesser degree Simmons. Maybe we should start bringing in players that have thicker skin so Brett doesn't have to take online courses to get a degree in child psychology.

[XDevilBoiX]

I'm not talking about player development. I'm talking about the care he takes in being inoffensive towards fragile mentalities. It's not Brett's fault we keep bringing in guys he has to walk on eggshells around like Fultz, and a much lesser degree Simmons. Maybe we should start bringing in players that have thicker skin so Brett doesn't have to take online courses to get a degree in child psychology.

Jimmy says hi lol

[Bum Adebayo]

But when "handling personalities" becomes coddling, how is that actually helping a player to improve? Especially a kid like Simmons.

It doesn't, what his coddling does is let Simmons remain in his confort zone.

What's he supposed to do, though? Do you know how fast a guy like Ben Simmons could possibly shutdown the moment someone takes a hardline approach with him?

Even Embiid has to handle comments made about his shooting with kid gloves. Even the outspoken Jimmy had to hold his tongue with public comments directed towards Simmons.

Everyone would rather just coddle him and get pretty good performances out of him than to push him for great performances and risk having him shell up and freeze everyone out and demand a trade.

If he does that you know he is not a player worth to have and to build around, as simple as that.

[Last pick]

Really? Give me a name of a player developed by Brown. I mean improved in learning of the game, mentality and self-confidence.

I'm not talking about player development. I'm talking about the care he takes in being inoffensive towards fragile mentalities. It's not Brett's fault we keep bringing in guys he has to walk on eggshells around like Fultz, and a much lesser degree Simmons. Maybe we should start bringing in players that have thicker skin so Brett doesn't have to take online courses to get a degree in child psychology.

So you say that he is the best NBA coach in handling personalities because he is inoffensive towards fragile personalities. This give me hope, I could be an Nba coach.