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Re: Welcome Alec Burks and Glenn Robinson III 

Post#61 » by phifans » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:46 pm

Talking about these three late seconds. I can't think one better way to use them than this. Either you sell them for cash or draft some random guys who has slim chance to contribute.
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Post#62 » by phillynative » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:49 pm

Alec plays more on the ball like Shake while Robinson plays more off the ball like Ennis.

We still need a shooter
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Post#63 » by smittybanton » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:50 pm

i think we still need a more offensively creative big man, and that christian wood would not cost that much either.
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Post#64 » by UptownPhilly » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:52 pm

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eagereyez wrote:Giving up more picks for 1-year rentals. This organization will never learn. Hinkie is rolling over in his grave.

When did Sam Hinkie die?


It’s a figure of speech that Barkley often uses.
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Post#65 » by phillynative » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:54 pm

smittybanton wrote:i think we still need a more offensively creative big man, and that christian wood would not cost that much either.


But most of our best players are big men.

We need a Perimeter presense that can get them the ball and shoot the ball...
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Post#66 » by smittybanton » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:00 pm

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smittybanton wrote:i think we still need a more offensively creative big man, and that christian wood would not cost that much either.


But most of our best players are big men.

We need a Perimeter presense that can get them the ball and shoot the ball...


i think you're neglecting the fact that mike scott gets minutes with us, even when everyone is healthy.
also, we just traded for two perimeter players, besides the fact that 'offensively created' was meant to connote the fact that christian wood is a perimeter oriented big. we also have bolden and kyle oquinn on our roster, and pretending that we can't upgrade from that is a little pollyanish in my opinion. i'm sorry, and the idea that a team with ben simmons on it wouldn't gather as many three point shooting fives as it can is a bit shortsighted.
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Post#67 » by smittybanton » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:01 pm

ben simmons plays guard for the sixers regardless how much people do not want him to.
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Post#68 » by BullyKing » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:04 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:
eagereyez wrote:Giving up more picks for 1-year rentals. This organization will never learn. Hinkie is rolling over in his grave.

When did Sam Hinkie die?


Time of death was about 48 hours after Scott O'Neill and the Colangelos shived him in the back
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Post#69 » by Negrodamus » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:06 pm

Phila Tough wrote:Alec Burks could be an absolute steal. I really don't see how anyone can complain about this deal. Complaining about 2nd round picks? Really? Maybe in 2015...


While I agree that Burks was a solid acquisition, I do recognize that second round picks are important for this teams future. We need to hit on some of them for depth, or even guys like Shake who have been incredible for us as a second rounder.
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Post#70 » by Eyeamok » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:08 pm

But you know what will happen. Both of these 2nd round picks will become league MVP and finals MVP. And everyone will say. "You see I told you not to trade those picks !"
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Post#71 » by phillynative » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:09 pm

smittybanton wrote:ben simmons plays guard for the sixers regardless how much people do not want him to.


Yes hes a guard who likes to operate on the inside just like every other 100 mil player on the team. If we are getting another big we also need to be bringing in a shooter with him and trading out a big.
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Post#72 » by eagereyez » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:10 pm

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The window to win a championship is small. The 76ers have additional 2nd picks coming in the form of the OKC pick. If we can get players that help us get over the hump, make it to the finals or even win the championship, then use the picks.

Two bench players from a 12-40 team are not going to get the Sixers over the hump. They should keep their assets, finish out the season, and then use their assets to find a new home for Horford. They will never win anything while giving ~25% of their cap space to a player who can't share the floor with Embiid and Simmons.


Even if someone agreed with you, what difference would three late second round picks make in moving Horford elsewhere?

Obviously the picks aren't worth much. The salient point is that they should be used to make the team better in the long run, and this ain't it. Even using them to draft players would be a better use.
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Post#73 » by Kobblehead » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:11 pm

Golden State played us so hard.

They signed a pair of guys to vet minimums this summer. Then pumped the hell out of their stats on a tanking squad and then moved them at the deadline for 3 second rounders.

We're absolutely the suckers in this scenario.
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Post#74 » by BullyKing » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:13 pm

eagereyez wrote:
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eagereyez wrote:Two bench players from a 12-40 team are not going to get the Sixers over the hump. They should keep their assets, finish out the season, and then use their assets to find a new home for Horford. They will never win anything while giving ~25% of their cap space to a player who can't share the floor with Embiid and Simmons.


Even if someone agreed with you, what difference would three late second round picks make in moving Horford elsewhere?

Obviously the picks aren't worth much. The salient point is that they should be used to make the team better in the long run, and this ain't it. Even using them to draft players would be a better use.


The salient point is that there is almost no way to make a contending, or really any, team better in the long run with late second round picks. I'd rather take literally anyone than sell them for cash but 30 games of a rotation player is definitely better than the average rate of return on a pick in the second half of the second round.
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Post#75 » by agiaco » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:14 pm

phillynative wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Hmmm I guess that's not bad as we don't give up any players. Do we now go and make another trade with Zhaire/Mike Scott, etc? I hope so. Need another shooter/ball handler now.


This.

I see Alec and Robinson as wings.

Still need a guard.


Umm, Burks shoots 37.5% and Robinson iii 40% from three. Not incredible, but I'd say they're both shooters. There's not going to be some elite 3-point shooter readily available.
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Post#76 » by Mik317 » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:14 pm

late second rounders.

we still have the early ones ( to sell)
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Post#77 » by BullyKing » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:16 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Golden State played us so hard.

They signed a pair of guys to vet minimums this summer. Then pumped the hell out of their stats on a tanking squad and then moved them at the deadline for 3 second rounders.

We're absolutely the suckers in this scenario.


I fear you are teetering on the edge of all reason here. Teams that aren't contending trading their expiring marginal players for even more marginal picks is pretty much what the NBA trade deadline is.
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Post#78 » by Kobblehead » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:24 pm

BullyKing wrote:I fear you are teetering on the edge of all reason here. Teams that aren't contending trading their expiring marginal players for even more marginal picks is pretty much what the NBA trade deadline is.

Robinson is an outright scrub.

Burks can play a little bit, but I promise you there will be more proven players of equal or better talent on the buyout market to be had for free.

We literally just paid 3 draft assets for someone else's pump and dump projects.
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Post#79 » by eagereyez » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:26 pm

BullyKing wrote:
eagereyez wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
Even if someone agreed with you, what difference would three late second round picks make in moving Horford elsewhere?

Obviously the picks aren't worth much. The salient point is that they should be used to make the team better in the long run, and this ain't it. Even using them to draft players would be a better use.


The salient point is that there is almost no way to make a contending, or really any, team better in the long run with late second round picks. I'd rather take literally anyone than sell them for cash but 30 games of a rotation player is definitely better than the average rate of return on a pick in the second half of the second round.


30 games of a rotation player who is gone at the end of the season is equivalent to selling them for cash. The only benefit is it makes the Sixers slightly more entertaining as they get bounced in the playoffs. If you're gonna be a GM in the NBA then play to win, not to entertain.
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Re: Welcome Alec Burks and Glenn Robinson III 

Post#80 » by HartfordWhalers » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:27 pm

Robinson is an upgrade to Ennis. That shouldn't be debatable. Bemoaning the loss of picks around 50 seems absurd.

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