Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[76ciology]

Josh Richardson, #49, #58

for

Justice Winslow, #40

I dont understand this.

If you look at the numbers, Jrich is clearly better. Even on looking at shooting alone.

..then you factor in Winslow’s health

Jrich is not that good but he’s not that bad.

[Kobblehead]

I dont understand this.

If you look at the numbers, Jrich is clearly better. Even on looking at shooting alone.

..then you factor in Winslow’s health

Jrich is not that good but he’s not that bad.

I don't mind banking on skillset.

Winslow is a 225 pound defensive player that can handle the ball in small spurts. There's the potential for real playoff value if he's healthy and playing well.

Richardson is productive, but he doesn't really bring anything to the table. He's no longer defensively competent, he's not a particularly good shooter and he's not a threat off the dribble. He doesn't do anything Milton/Korkmaz can't do (as proven in their per-minute splits and instances where they got an opportunity in big minutes).

[the_process]

I'm good with moving JRich... but for Winslow? That's selling way low, even with the 2nd round trade up.

[Sixercise]

Hmmm - how about trying to get Covington back?

Philly trades Horford to Chicago
Chicago trades Thad Young to Houston, Felicio to Philly
Houston trades Roco to Philly

[76ciology]

Hmmm - how about trying to get Covington back?

Philly trades Horford to Chicago
Chicago trades Thad Young to Houston, Felicio to Philly
Houston trades Roco to Philly

So Rox trade Roco for 40 year old thad Young?

I think Roco for Al is a fair trade, problem is matching the salary

[76ciology]

I dont understand this.

If you look at the numbers, Jrich is clearly better. Even on looking at shooting alone.

..then you factor in Winslow’s health

Jrich is not that good but he’s not that bad.

I don't mind banking on skillset.

Winslow is a 225 pound defensive player that can handle the ball in small spurts. There's the potential for real playoff value if he's healthy and playing well.

Richardson is productive, but he doesn't really bring anything to the table. He's no longer defensively competent, he's not a particularly good shooter and he's not a threat off the dribble. He doesn't do anything Milton/Korkmaz can't do (as proven in their per-minute splits and instances where they got an opportunity in big minutes).

Winslow is also a product of Heat’s “pump and dump” system. Similar to what they did with Josh Rich. So in a decent team, he’s not ideal to have that much usage.

Like I don’t see him beating the .80+ points per possessions of JRich or Tobi on pick and rolls.

If you put him on our team, he’d just be a defensive specialist with unreliable 3pt shooting.

If I’m trading Josh Rich, I’d probably package him with Milton for a borderline star PG like maybe Jrue or CJ.

Personally, I think Josh Rich and Milton raised their value in the playoffs that we now have an option in trading both guys depending on what Doc thinks will fit his system.

And between Josh Rich and Winslow, im willing to bet the FO and this board prefers Josh Rich over Winslow.

Role-wise, a good trade would be Winslow for Thybulle and some pick upgrades. Where Winslow can replace Thybulle’s defensive specialist part while providing more offense. Then the pick should be a sweetener for us. While Grizz would be willing to do it with their youth movement.

[Sixercise]

So Rox trade Roco for 40 year old thad Young?

I think Roco for Al is a fair trade, problem is matching the salary

In fairness, Thad is younger and quicker than Al....and realistically, I don't see Al being moved without a 3rd team involved due to his albatross contract. Now it is a good question as to whether or not Houston does the trade - and currently since that team is undergoing a major front office shakeup, anything's possible

[76ciology]

So Rox trade Roco for 40 year old thad Young?

I think Roco for Al is a fair trade, problem is matching the salary

In fairness, Thad is younger and quicker than Al....and realistically, I don't see Al being moved without a 3rd team involved due to his albatross contract. Now it is a good question as to whether or not Houston does the trade - and currently since that team is undergoing a major front office shakeup, anything's possible

But think of it from Rox perspective..

Why would you do a downgrade, considering both Roco and Thad are physically the same? If Rox will trade Roco, it has to be a purpose and it maybe because they saw that microball is a gimmick and they need to have size to beat teams like the Blazers, Nuggets or Lakers.

[the_process]

It’s going to be prohibitively high to move Al’s contract if the cap goes down (as currently speculated). That’s likely why Glenn talked about going to have dinner and sit down with him. Al needs to be okay with a 20 min off the bench role until they can trade him.

That being said; I still think the idea of flipping Al for Westbrook, then sending Westbrook to Detroit for Rose and Snell is a winner. No way Fertitta passes up the chance to save ~70M over the next 3 years. And Detroit won’t pass up a “star” they can market, and they are so far under the cap his salary doesn’t hurt them.

[TGW]

Wizards Receives
Tobias Harris
Al Horford
Buddy Hield

Kings receives
9th pick
21st pick

Sixers Receives
10m cap relief from Wiz
Beal
Thomas Bryant (filler)

Wizards gets to be a very well rounded playoff team.

Wall
Hield
Hachimura
Tobias
Al

Kings got 2 firsts for Hield

Sixers
Ben, Beal and Biid. BBB. All we need is Lavar.

There's no way in heck the Wizards would do this.

[76ciology]

Wizards Receives
Tobias Harris
Al Horford
Buddy Hield

Kings receives
9th pick
21st pick

Sixers Receives
10m cap relief from Wiz
Beal
Thomas Bryant (filler)

Wizards gets to be a very well rounded playoff team.

Wall
Hield
Hachimura
Tobias
Al

Kings got 2 firsts for Hield

Sixers
Ben, Beal and Biid. BBB. All we need is Lavar.

There's no way in heck the Wizards would do this.

Wall and Beal aren’t good enough that you can just surround them with role players like Thomas Bryant.

The alternative is to find a more balanced roster that still have the talent level to be right there with the top teams.

Wall will have better players to play with than Giannis with the Bucks. You possibly can get three players who can average 20/g (Wall, Hield and Tobi), while Al and some role players can also score, space the floor and do the other things.

Personally, I feel there’s a disconnect between people in the league and the fans with Beal’s value. I feel people in the league dont value Beal’s value that much and find his numbers to be bloated this is why he was not included in the leagues all nba team despite averaging like 30 a game.

[PhillyNj]

I dont understand this.

If you look at the numbers, Jrich is clearly better. Even on looking at shooting alone.

..then you factor in Winslow’s health

Jrich is not that good but he’s not that bad.

I don't mind banking on skillset.

Winslow is a 225 pound defensive player that can handle the ball in small spurts. There's the potential for real playoff value if he's healthy and playing well.

Richardson is productive, but he doesn't really bring anything to the table. He's no longer defensively competent, he's not a particularly good shooter and he's not a threat off the dribble. He doesn't do anything Milton/Korkmaz can't do (as proven in their per-minute splits and instances where they got an opportunity in big minutes).

Richardson is a much better player than Winslow.
And there’s no way in heck Miami gets him backother teams will offer Maori Than this.

[ProcessDoctor]

Trade 1: Richardson + Scott + Smith + #21 for Oladipo

Trade 2: Horford for Thad + Felicio


Simmons((24)/Milton(20)/Burks(4)
Oladipo(32)/Burks(16)
Thybulle(28)/Harris(10)/Simmons(10)
Harris(24)/Young(24)
Embiid(30)/Felicio(18)


Simmons/Milton/#49
Oladipo/Burks/#36
Thybulle/Korkmaz/Shayok
Harris/Young/#34
Embiid/Felicio/Pelle

[sixers hoops]

Trade 1: Richardson + Scott + Smith + #21 for Oladipo

Trade 2: Horford for Thad + Felicio


Simmons((24)/Milton(20)/Burks(4)
Oladipo(32)/Burks(16)
Thybulle(28)/Harris(10)/Simmons(10)
Harris(24)/Young(24)
Embiid(30)/Felicio(18)


Simmons/Milton/#49
Oladipo/Burks/#36
Thybulle/Korkmaz/Shayok
Harris/Young/#34
Embiid/Felicio/Pelle

Don’t love Oladipo fit, and he could be cooked after the injury, but I would prob do this. Honestly, I don’t know much about his injury outlook, but if we can get something close to preinjury Oladipo, then this trade helps.

[TheBallsDeeper]

Trade 1: Richardson + Scott + Smith + #21 for Oladipo

Trade 2: Horford for Thad + Felicio


Simmons((24)/Milton(20)/Burks(4)
Oladipo(32)/Burks(16)
Thybulle(28)/Harris(10)/Simmons(10)
Harris(24)/Young(24)
Embiid(30)/Felicio(18)


Simmons/Milton/#49
Oladipo/Burks/#36
Thybulle/Korkmaz/Shayok
Harris/Young/#34
Embiid/Felicio/Pelle

Trade 1 - I assume you put in Scott + Smith as a salary match, but they are negative contracts.

Both would be unlikely to be picked up if they were free agents. It's a waste of money and space for the Pacers, unless they are getting a superior player back for Oladipo, and Richardson is no way near his level.

Sixers would love that trade, but unless they throw in a first-rounder or Thybulle there is no way it happens.

Trade 2 - Player wise I don't think it makes either team better, just a treadmill move for both. Contract wise Bulls get stuck with an aging Horford on a terrible contract for a year longer than Young and 2 years longer than Felicio.

Sixers would probably do it just to get rid of Horford's contract, but no way bulls do it.

[the_process]

ATL is looking to make a playoff push and is selling 6... Richardson and 21? Probably would be willing to add something if needed. Josh would be very good next to Trae, and ATL shouldn’t have any issue re-signing him.

As for the Sixers... I can’t see Sacto objecting to Horford, 6, 34, and 36 for Hield and 12.

[Kobblehead]

Winslow is also a product of Heat’s “pump and dump” system. Similar to what they did with Josh Rich. So in a decent team, he’s not ideal to have that much usage.

Like I don’t see him beating the .80+ points per possessions of JRich or Tobi on pick and rolls.

If you put him on our team, he’d just be a defensive specialist with unreliable 3pt shooting.

If I’m trading Josh Rich, I’d probably package him with Milton for a borderline star PG like maybe Jrue or CJ.

Personally, I think Josh Rich and Milton raised their value in the playoffs that we now have an option in trading both guys depending on what Doc thinks will fit his system.

And between Josh Rich and Winslow, im willing to bet the FO and this board prefers Josh Rich over Winslow.

Role-wise, a good trade would be Winslow for Thybulle and some pick upgrades. Where Winslow can replace Thybulle’s defensive specialist part while providing more offense. Then the pick should be a sweetener for us. While Grizz would be willing to do it with their youth movement.

Other than Ben Simmons and Matisse Thybulle, we don't have any non-bigs that can guard their man. Winslow has been inefficient offensively and he gets hurt all the time, but possesses a baseline skillset of being able to defend, dribble and pass. And he's a huge 6'6" 220 pound body. I'd rather bring in a guy like that as opposed to keeping all three of our jumpshot-leaning, non-defensive non-dribblers in Milton/Richardson/Korkmaz. I don't think that player archetype offers much playoff value. I'd rather bank on Winslow getting some injury luck and being more efficient on a highly talented team.

[stormi]

Winslow is also a product of Heat’s “pump and dump” system. Similar to what they did with Josh Rich. So in a decent team, he’s not ideal to have that much usage.

Like I don’t see him beating the .80+ points per possessions of JRich or Tobi on pick and rolls.

If you put him on our team, he’d just be a defensive specialist with unreliable 3pt shooting.

If I’m trading Josh Rich, I’d probably package him with Milton for a borderline star PG like maybe Jrue or CJ.

Personally, I think Josh Rich and Milton raised their value in the playoffs that we now have an option in trading both guys depending on what Doc thinks will fit his system.

And between Josh Rich and Winslow, im willing to bet the FO and this board prefers Josh Rich over Winslow.

Role-wise, a good trade would be Winslow for Thybulle and some pick upgrades. Where Winslow can replace Thybulle’s defensive specialist part while providing more offense. Then the pick should be a sweetener for us. While Grizz would be willing to do it with their youth movement.

Other than Ben Simmons and Matisse Thybulle, we don't have any non-bigs that can guard their man. Winslow has been inefficient offensively and he gets hurt all the time, but possesses a baseline skillset of being able to defend, dribble and pass. And he's a huge 6'6" 220 pound body. I'd rather bring in a guy like that as opposed to keeping all three of our jumpshot-leaning, non-defensive non-dribblers in Milton/Richardson/Korkmaz. I don't think that player archetype offers much playoff value. I'd rather bank on Winslow getting some injury luck and being more efficient on a highly talented team.

Thoughts on Lonzo then? Throwing it out, as I doubt the Pels would move him. But he's young, hits all of those boxes you talked about Winslow and is shooting the 3 ball at like 38% now on high volume, while being an elite passer. I'd move J Rich for him straight across if we could sell him on being this great young 2 way forward like Riley pulled on Brand.

[Kobblehead]

I would move Richardson for Ball in a heartbeat. In order to get the Pelicans to part with Lonzo as an asset, you probably need to attach a pick, though. At which point, I'd walk away from the negotiation. If they somehow did a straight swap, though, I think it's a no-brainer that we make the deal.

[ProcessDoctor]

DAL out: Curry, #18
DAL in: Richardson

HOU out: Harden, Gordon, Covington
HOU in: Simmons, Horford, Curry, #18, #21

PHI out: Simmons, Horford, Richardson, #21
PHI in: Harden, Gordon, Covington