Maxey and Embiid?

[Mik317]

as always people pick and choose what to actually read and take away.

Ben is aloof and distant. That plus stagnation means the fanbase especially the casual one, tends to be harder on him.. You saw it with Iggy for example. Biid has added something to his game each year (to varying success), panders to the city, and while not as consistant as we'd like does play with a fire. Ben did not. Hell the fans booed Embiid and he told them to shut the **** up.

Its really not hard to get on the good side of the fanbase. Westbrook's level of passion and fire would have given him a lot of leeway. Again you can see how Tobias' lack of fire is getting him some heat now as well.

As with a lot of things...Ben did not even try. I hate to be a boomer with this take but Ben is very entitled and that is honestly his biggest flaw (and this does not mean Embiid is any better, although it seems like having a kid mellowed him out a bit). Everything came easy to him and even as he floundered at LSU, he wasn't "punished" for it as he was still drafted number 1, he still won ROTY and was an all star without having to step out of his comfort zone. And when that finally stopped being the case (in particular when the coach and FO that basically were tied to him were gone/lost power), he decided instead of looking inward...to blame everyone else and look for an out so he can stay the same.

Maxey, to bring it back on topic, on the other hand, has added things to his game over 1 and 1/2 of a season than Ben has his whole career, does it with a smile and passion that the city loves, and because of Ben and previous guards not doing it...he get credit for it. Thus he is beloved and has bought himself a lot of rope in this city. If we traded him for a star now, I'd bet a lot of people would be pissed as **** off the bat and that star better bring it asap lol.

Thats the difference and if Westbrook was here from the jump of his career (being a FA or traded for comes with different expectations), he'd be a Philly legend because of being a "homegorwn" talent and the aforementioned passion and fire.

[Tomjas]

as always people pick and choose what to actually read and take away.

Ben is aloof and distant. That plus stagnation means the fanbase especially the casual one, tends to be harder on him.. You saw it with Iggy for example. Biid has added something to his game each year (to varying success), panders to the city, and while not as consistant as we'd like does play with a fire. Ben did not. Hell the fans booed Embiid and he told them to shut the **** up.

Its really not hard to get on the good side of the fanbase. Westbrook's level of passion and fire would have given him a lot of leeway. Again you can see how Tobias' lack of fire is getting him some heat now as well.

As with a lot of things...Ben did not even try. I hate to be a boomer with this take but Ben is very entitled and that is honestly his biggest flaw (and this does not mean Embiid is any better, although it seems like having a kid mellowed him out a bit). Everything came easy to him and even as he floundered at LSU, he wasn't "punished" for it as he was still drafted number 1, he still won ROTY and was an all star without having to step out of his comfort zone. And when that finally stopped being the case (in particular when the coach and FO that basically were tied to him were gone/lost power), he decided instead of looking inward...to blame everyone else and look for an out so he can stay the same.

Maxey, to bring it back on topic, on the other hand, has added things to his game over 1 and 1/2 of a season than Ben has his whole career, does it with a smile and passion that the city loves, and because of Ben and previous guards not doing it...he get credit for it. Thus he is beloved and has bought himself a lot of rope in this city. If we traded him for a star now, I'd bet a lot of people would be pissed as **** off the bat and that star better bring it asap lol.

Thats the difference and if Westbrook was here from the jump of his career (being a FA or traded for comes with different expectations), he'd be a Philly legend because of being a "homegorwn" talent and the aforementioned passion and fire.

Much of this post is about feelings/personality and not logic

You think that Ben is aloof then try Bjorn Borg

You think that Tobi isn’t outwardly passionate then try Ernie Els

The issue is quality

The Sixers need size, athleticism, rebounding, playmaking and defence

Being the process, aloof, a bookworm or smiling won’t cut it as it’s all about winning

[eyeatoma]

as always people pick and choose what to actually read and take away.

Ben is aloof and distant. That plus stagnation means the fanbase especially the casual one, tends to be harder on him.. You saw it with Iggy for example. Biid has added something to his game each year (to varying success), panders to the city, and while not as consistant as we'd like does play with a fire. Ben did not. Hell the fans booed Embiid and he told them to shut the **** up.

Its really not hard to get on the good side of the fanbase. Westbrook's level of passion and fire would have given him a lot of leeway. Again you can see how Tobias' lack of fire is getting him some heat now as well.

As with a lot of things...Ben did not even try. I hate to be a boomer with this take but Ben is very entitled and that is honestly his biggest flaw (and this does not mean Embiid is any better, although it seems like having a kid mellowed him out a bit). Everything came easy to him and even as he floundered at LSU, he wasn't "punished" for it as he was still drafted number 1, he still won ROTY and was an all star without having to step out of his comfort zone. And when that finally stopped being the case (in particular when the coach and FO that basically were tied to him were gone/lost power), he decided instead of looking inward...to blame everyone else and look for an out so he can stay the same.

Maxey, to bring it back on topic, on the other hand, has added things to his game over 1 and 1/2 of a season than Ben has his whole career, does it with a smile and passion that the city loves, and because of Ben and previous guards not doing it...he get credit for it. Thus he is beloved and has bought himself a lot of rope in this city. If we traded him for a star now, I'd bet a lot of people would be pissed as **** off the bat and that star better bring it asap lol.

Thats the difference and if Westbrook was here from the jump of his career (being a FA or traded for comes with different expectations), he'd be a Philly legend because of being a "homegorwn" talent and the aforementioned passion and fire.

Much of this post is about feelings/personality and not logic

You think that Ben is aloof then try Bjorn Borg



You think that Tobi isn’t outwardly passionate then try Ernie Els

The issue is quality

The Sixers need size, athleticism, rebounding, playmaking and defence

Being the process, aloof, a bookworm or smiling won’t cut it as it’s all about winning

Alright man, tell me what should have happened? Yes, Embiid and Doc called Ben out, which he deserved. Many players are fine with it, but some take it to heart. Ben clearly did. How do you deal with him shrinking in the playoffs. How do you deal with him bailing on the team? What is the solution to all of this. Please help me understand.

[marcush]

This is the classic case of a fan of a team v fan of a player.

[Tomjas]

as always people pick and choose what to actually read and take away.

Ben is aloof and distant. That plus stagnation means the fanbase especially the casual one, tends to be harder on him.. You saw it with Iggy for example. Biid has added something to his game each year (to varying success), panders to the city, and while not as consistant as we'd like does play with a fire. Ben did not. Hell the fans booed Embiid and he told them to shut the **** up.

Its really not hard to get on the good side of the fanbase. Westbrook's level of passion and fire would have given him a lot of leeway. Again you can see how Tobias' lack of fire is getting him some heat now as well.

As with a lot of things...Ben did not even try. I hate to be a boomer with this take but Ben is very entitled and that is honestly his biggest flaw (and this does not mean Embiid is any better, although it seems like having a kid mellowed him out a bit). Everything came easy to him and even as he floundered at LSU, he wasn't "punished" for it as he was still drafted number 1, he still won ROTY and was an all star without having to step out of his comfort zone. And when that finally stopped being the case (in particular when the coach and FO that basically were tied to him were gone/lost power), he decided instead of looking inward...to blame everyone else and look for an out so he can stay the same.

Maxey, to bring it back on topic, on the other hand, has added things to his game over 1 and 1/2 of a season than Ben has his whole career, does it with a smile and passion that the city loves, and because of Ben and previous guards not doing it...he get credit for it. Thus he is beloved and has bought himself a lot of rope in this city. If we traded him for a star now, I'd bet a lot of people would be pissed as **** off the bat and that star better bring it asap lol.

Thats the difference and if Westbrook was here from the jump of his career (being a FA or traded for comes with different expectations), he'd be a Philly legend because of being a "homegorwn" talent and the aforementioned passion and fire.

Much of this post is about feelings/personality and not logic

You think that Ben is aloof then try Bjorn Borg



You think that Tobi isn’t outwardly passionate then try Ernie Els

The issue is quality

The Sixers need size, athleticism, rebounding, playmaking and defence

Being the process, aloof, a bookworm or smiling won’t cut it as it’s all about winning

Alright man, tell me what should have happened? Yes, Embiid and Doc called Ben out, which he deserved. Many players are fine with it, but some take it to heart. Ben clearly did. How do you deal with him shrinking in the playoffs. How do you deal with him bailing on the team? What is the solution to all of this. Please help me understand.

First move of the off season should have been to sack Doc

Simmons was terrible offensively against the Hawks but Rivers cost us the series

Don’t give me any bs about a 5 year contract

Harris & his partners bought the franchise for $300 million & it’s now worth $2 billion + so they can eat his deal

Not only is Rivers a terrible coach but he completely screwed the Simmons situation & Ben is infinitely more important than Doc

He’s also alienated several top players - Paul, Kawhi, George, Simmons

Doc is a complete fraud

Second move was to shoot Tobias into the sun as he doesn’t fit with anyone on the team

Westbrook was traded for value so why can’t Harris?

Ben will probably never come back but the fact that Doc & Tobi are still here is a joke

[Tomjas]

This is the classic case of a fan of a team v fan of a player.

Haven’t been wrong yet

[eyeatoma]

Much of this post is about feelings/personality and not logic

You think that Ben is aloof then try Bjorn Borg



You think that Tobi isn’t outwardly passionate then try Ernie Els

The issue is quality

The Sixers need size, athleticism, rebounding, playmaking and defence

Being the process, aloof, a bookworm or smiling won’t cut it as it’s all about winning

Alright man, tell me what should have happened? Yes, Embiid and Doc called Ben out, which he deserved. Many players are fine with it, but some take it to heart. Ben clearly did. How do you deal with him shrinking in the playoffs. How do you deal with him bailing on the team? What is the solution to all of this. Please help me understand.

First move of the off season should have been to sack Doc

Simmons was terrible offensively against the Hawks but Rivers cost us the series

Don’t give me any bs about a 5 year contract

Harris & his partners bought the franchise for $300 million & it’s now worth $2 billion + so they can eat his deal

Not only is Rivers a terrible coach but he completely screwed the Simmons situation & Ben is infinitely more important than Doc

He’s also alienated several top players - Paul, Kawhi, George, Simmons

Doc is a complete fraud

Second move was to shoot Tobias into the sun as he doesn’t fit with anyone on the team

Westbrook was traded for value so why can’t Harris?

Ben will probably never come back but the fact that Doc & Tobi are still here is a joke

Rift with Embiid?

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[Tomjas]

Alright man, tell me what should have happened? Yes, Embiid and Doc called Ben out, which he deserved. Many players are fine with it, but some take it to heart. Ben clearly did. How do you deal with him shrinking in the playoffs. How do you deal with him bailing on the team? What is the solution to all of this. Please help me understand.

First move of the off season should have been to sack Doc

Simmons was terrible offensively against the Hawks but Rivers cost us the series

Don’t give me any bs about a 5 year contract

Harris & his partners bought the franchise for $300 million & it’s now worth $2 billion + so they can eat his deal

Not only is Rivers a terrible coach but he completely screwed the Simmons situation & Ben is infinitely more important than Doc

He’s also alienated several top players - Paul, Kawhi, George, Simmons

Doc is a complete fraud

Second move was to shoot Tobias into the sun as he doesn’t fit with anyone on the team

Westbrook was traded for value so why can’t Harris?

Ben will probably never come back but the fact that Doc & Tobi are still here is a joke

Rift with Embiid?

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Simmons?

Doesn’t seem like he’s got a problem with Joel

[eyeatoma]

First move of the off season should have been to sack Doc

Simmons was terrible offensively against the Hawks but Rivers cost us the series

Don’t give me any bs about a 5 year contract

Harris & his partners bought the franchise for $300 million & it’s now worth $2 billion + so they can eat his deal

Not only is Rivers a terrible coach but he completely screwed the Simmons situation & Ben is infinitely more important than Doc

He’s also alienated several top players - Paul, Kawhi, George, Simmons

Doc is a complete fraud

Second move was to shoot Tobias into the sun as he doesn’t fit with anyone on the team

Westbrook was traded for value so why can’t Harris?

Ben will probably never come back but the fact that Doc & Tobi are still here is a joke

Rift with Embiid?

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Simmons?

Doesn’t seem like he’s got a problem with Joel

I mean he said the team was Jo centric and he didn't have room to grow. I don't think there's a rift with him but Klutch is making it seem like it.

So now what's the solution now though because I don't see Ben returning and unless we **** in the playoffs Doc will stick around. I don't like it either but that's what is most likely to happen.

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[Tomjas]

Rift with Embiid?

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Simmons?

Doesn’t seem like he’s got a problem with Joel

I mean he said the team was Jo centric and he didn't have room to grow. I don't think there's a rift with him but Klutch is making it seem like it.

So now what's the solution now though because I don't see Ben returning and unless we **** in the playoffs Doc will stick around. I don't like it either but that's what is most likely to happen.

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Just to be clear, I think that what he’s doing is fkn nuts

Turn up, get paid, get traded and move on

$10 million!!!!

That’s crazytown

[eyeatoma]

Simmons?

Doesn’t seem like he’s got a problem with Joel

I mean he said the team was Jo centric and he didn't have room to grow. I don't think there's a rift with him but Klutch is making it seem like it.

So now what's the solution now though because I don't see Ben returning and unless we **** in the playoffs Doc will stick around. I don't like it either but that's what is most likely to happen.

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Just to be clear, I think that what he’s doing is fkn nuts

Turn up, get paid, get traded and move on

$10 million!!!!

His behaviour is insane

Agreed

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[marcush]

Not sure if Simmons and Embiid have a rift. Doesn’t matter really.

All we know for sure is that Simmons just collapsed as a functioning basketball player the moment he received some honest feedback.

Anyway ….. Maxey…. congrats to you for improving your game. That is definitely not a given for Sixer players.

[Tomjas]

Not sure if Simmons and Embiid have a rift. Doesn’t matter really.

All we know for sure is that Simmons just collapsed as a functioning basketball player the moment he received some honest feedback.

Anyway ….. Maxey…. congrats to you for improving your game. That is definitely not a given for Sixer players.

Honest feedback

Joel has stunk it up in multiple playoff games & Tobias has never performed

Simmons has the best playoff record out of any Sixers bar Danny Green

[marcush]

No player is perfect that is for sure.

But at least Embiid and Harris are not afraid to compete.

[eyeatoma]

Not sure if Simmons and Embiid have a rift. Doesn’t matter really.

All we know for sure is that Simmons just collapsed as a functioning basketball player the moment he received some honest feedback.

Anyway ….. Maxey…. congrats to you for improving your game. That is definitely not a given for Sixer players.

Honest feedback

Joel has stunk it up in multiple playoff games & Tobias has never performed

Simmons has the best playoff record out of any Sixers bar Danny Green

Ben never averaged 30 and 10 in the playoffs cmon now. Ben wasn't a +90 against the eventual champions. The team was built around Ben so when he wasn't there it didn't really help Embiid against the Celtics.

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[Tomjas]

Not sure if Simmons and Embiid have a rift. Doesn’t matter really.

All we know for sure is that Simmons just collapsed as a functioning basketball player the moment he received some honest feedback.

Anyway ….. Maxey…. congrats to you for improving your game. That is definitely not a given for Sixer players.

Honest feedback

Joel has stunk it up in multiple playoff games & Tobias has never performed

Simmons has the best playoff record out of any Sixers bar Danny Green

Ben never averaged 30 and 10 in the playoffs cmon now. Ben wasn't a +90 against the eventual champions. The team was built around Ben so when he wasn't there it didn't really help Embiid against the Celtics.

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Built around Ben?

This team lacks size, athleticism, rebounding, playmaking and defence

That’s Ben

Now replace Joel with Ben

Team lacks size, rebounding, defence and a front court

That’s Joel

It’s a bastardised version to suit them both & not working

Simmons wants out because he’s lost trust with the Sixers

I don’t agree with his stance but I understand it

Difference is that I would have pocketed the $10 million

That’s what’s crazy

[eyeatoma]

Honest feedback

Joel has stunk it up in multiple playoff games & Tobias has never performed

Simmons has the best playoff record out of any Sixers bar Danny Green

Ben never averaged 30 and 10 in the playoffs cmon now. Ben wasn't a +90 against the eventual champions. The team was built around Ben so when he wasn't there it didn't really help Embiid against the Celtics.

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Built around Ben?

This team lacks size, athleticism, rebounding, playmaking and defence

That’s Ben

Now replace Joel with Ben

Team lacks size, rebounding, defence and a front court

That’s Joel

It’s a bastardised version to suit them both & not working

Simmons wants out because he’s lost trust with the Sixers

I don’t agree with his stance but I understand it

Difference is that I would have pocketed the $10 million

That’s what’s crazy

Team has no other playmakers or scorers or players who can make an entry pass. That's because Ben wanted to be PG and didn't want anyone else with the ball in their hands.

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[Tomjas]

Ben never averaged 30 and 10 in the playoffs cmon now. Ben wasn't a +90 against the eventual champions. The team was built around Ben so when he wasn't there it didn't really help Embiid against the Celtics.

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Built around Ben?

This team lacks size, athleticism, rebounding, playmaking and defence

That’s Ben

Now replace Joel with Ben

Team lacks size, rebounding, defence and a front court

That’s Joel

It’s a bastardised version to suit them both & not working

Simmons wants out because he’s lost trust with the Sixers

I don’t agree with his stance but I understand it

Difference is that I would have pocketed the $10 million

That’s what’s crazy

Team has no other playmakers or scorers or players who can make an entry pass. That's because Ben wanted to be PG and didn't want anyone else with the ball in their hands.

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It’s on management

We haven’t played with a proper pg since CJ

In his first 2 years in the league, Simmons scored the 2nd most points in the nba from cuts

Since then, it’s been nothing as we have nobody who can pass

We don’t even have anyone who can lob a ball to a 7’ monster

It’s ridiculous

[eyeatoma]

Built around Ben?

This team lacks size, athleticism, rebounding, playmaking and defence

That’s Ben

Now replace Joel with Ben

Team lacks size, rebounding, defence and a front court

That’s Joel

It’s a bastardised version to suit them both & not working

Simmons wants out because he’s lost trust with the Sixers

I don’t agree with his stance but I understand it

Difference is that I would have pocketed the $10 million

That’s what’s crazy

Team has no other playmakers or scorers or players who can make an entry pass. That's because Ben wanted to be PG and didn't want anyone else with the ball in their hands.

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It’s on management

We haven’t played with a proper pg since CJ

In his first 2 years in the league, Simmons scored the 2nd most points in the nba from cuts

Since then, it’s been nothing as we have nobody who can pass

We don’t even have anyone who can lob a ball to a 7’ monster

It’s ridiculous

Yeah I guess so, Ben did not make it easy though man. He refused to get better as a shooter, and made it weird with Brett with shooting threes.

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[eyeatoma]

I agree though management i.e. Colangelo and Brown/Brand were utter shambles.

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