FA Targets if Harden leaves

[rzzzzz]

D Russell is who we think Sam wanted to draft at 3. Not that he would have turned out any better than the immature/spotty player he’s been throughout his NBA career, and that’s giving him the benefit of the doubt. But he’s an unrestricted free agent. I don’t know how the Lakers let him go. I don’t see how Philly is a more attractive option that LA. But if Morey is going to keep his job, he’s got to do more than pine for the days when he couldn’t get it done in Houston.

[ProcessDoctor]

If this team is married to Harden/Embiid, then I think the next logical step is moving Maxey + Harris for a playmaking wing. I’m not saying that’s what I want, but it doesn’t make sense to just run it back with this core plus a new coach. We can’t run our playoff offense through Embiid/Harden. We need a playmaking wing that can get his own shot in the half court or facilitate.

Maxey/Harris/Korkmaz for Kawhi/Covington

Maxey/Harris for Siakam/OPJ

Maxey/Harris for Ingram/Nance (3 teamer?)

That’s what should’ve happened at the trade deadline this year, and I noted that here at the time. It was clear by then that Harden and Embiid weren’t going to spearhead this team any further than it’s gone in the playoffs over the past several years.

If we hire Nurse and he wants to bring in his own guy in Pascal, then I'd call it a step in the right direction (assuming we're re-signing Harden in this scenario). Maxey/Harris for Siakam/Porter...


Harden/(MLE)/McClung
Melton/Springer/Korkmaz
Porter/Tucker/House
Siakam/McDaniels/Niang
Embiid/Reed/Harrell


Seth Curry, Clarkson, Nowell, Joesph, Schroeder, and Vincent could all be potential targets with the MLE.

[Arsenal]

D Russell is who we think Sam wanted to draft at 3. Not that he would have turned out any better than the immature/spotty player he’s been throughout his NBA career, and that’s giving him the benefit of the doubt. But he’s an unrestricted free agent. I don’t know how the Lakers let him go. I don’t see how Philly is a more attractive option that LA. But if Morey is going to keep his job, he’s got to do more than pine for the days when he couldn’t get it done in Houston.

We don't have cap to sign him and I don't see the Lakers gifting him to us in a S&T without Maxey going back to them.

[spikeslovechild]

Embiid is going to request a trade

Oh well. You've gotta move on eventually and he'll be 30 next season.

Dont want to go through another rebuild. I'd rather watch meaningful basketball where the sixers come up short then meaningless basketball where we are competing for the 1st overall pick.

I also dont have confidence this organization would see it through either and have the rug pulled from under them at the last second as Hinkie did. So no thanks. We have morey who the most part has made good moves despite being dealt an absolutely **** hand he won't stick around either for a rebuild.

The best course is to stay the course and continue to tweak the roster. This roster is good enough and close enough that they should be able to win with additonal moves.

[Negrodamus]

D Russell is who we think Sam wanted to draft at 3. Not that he would have turned out any better than the immature/spotty player he’s been throughout his NBA career, and that’s giving him the benefit of the doubt. But he’s an unrestricted free agent. I don’t know how the Lakers let him go. I don’t see how Philly is a more attractive option that LA. But if Morey is going to keep his job, he’s got to do more than pine for the days when he couldn’t get it done in Houston.

We don't have cap to sign him and I don't see the Lakers gifting him to us in a S&T without Maxey going back to them.

We could if we shed some role player salary, if I'm not mistaken (which I could be because I'm historically terrible at understanding cap flexiblity). The real question is whether DLO is worth the pursuit.

[Negrodamus]

Pascal Siakam and Brandon Ingram both had a good showing, despite being eliminated, the last time they were in the playoffs.

I don't know how we would get either one of them, though.

Do either of them move the needle much though? If they are playoff performers, then Embiid has also been a playoff performer before in his career.

[Kobblehead]

Do either of them move the needle much though? If they are playoff performers, then Embiid has also been a playoff performer before in his career.

Based of what they've shown, I think they are better options than retaining Harden or acquiring DeRozan.

Embiid has sucked the vast majority of his playoff showings. He played well against Brooklyn in 2019, played well against Washington in 2021, and played well against Toronto in 2022. That's a total of 3 series out of the 11 that he's played in. That's awful, overall.

If you compare Embiid's playoff performances to Jokic's, Giannis', and Anthony Davis', he comes up far below them.

[ProcessDoctor]

Do either of them move the needle much though? If they are playoff performers, then Embiid has also been a playoff performer before in his career.

Based of what they've shown, I think they are better options than retaining Harden or acquiring DeRozan.

Embiid has sucked the vast majority of his playoff showings. He played well against Brooklyn in 2019, played well against Washington in 2021, and played well against Toronto in 2022. That's a total of 3 series out of the 11 that he's played in. That's awful, overall.

If you compare Embiid's playoff performances to Jokic's, Giannis', and Anthony Davis', he comes up far below them.

Do you think a Harden/Siakam/Embiid trio with Nurse as HC can get us over the hump?

[the_process]

Embiid is going to request a trade

Oh well. You've gotta move on eventually and he'll be 30 next season.

Dont want to go through another rebuild. I'd rather watch meaningful basketball where the sixers come up short then meaningless basketball where we are competing for the 1st overall pick.

I also dont have confidence this organization would see it through either and have the rug pulled from under them at the last second as Hinkie did. So no thanks. We have morey who the most part has made good moves despite being dealt an absolutely **** hand he won't stick around either for a rebuild.

The best course is to stay the course and continue to tweak the roster. This roster is good enough and close enough that they should be able to win with additonal moves.

No they aren't and they won't be.

But some people are content with the treadmill.

Let's start by seeing what Harden does, though. Maybe instead of Houston, they can pull off a trade with Phoenix.

[Eyeamok]

Why would Houston sign Harden? They are on a youth movement, Harden is not going to teach the young guys how to be professionals, and his style of basketball does not lead to a lot of touches or ball movement for everyone on the team so just what does Houston want with him? And why would Nurse choose the 76ers if he has the chance to coach the Bucks who by all accounts are a better team? I think this teams biggest weakness in the playoffs was the coaching. During the regular season Doc was great, but playoffs not so much. Sort of like Embiid. No wonder Embiid went to bat for Doc, he probably sees a lot of himself in him.

[MoeGreene]

With Harden's player option, if he picks it up, its only for one year right?

[FlyingArrow]

Need to let Shake Milton come back. The guy averaged around 20/9 when Harden was injured. Milton isn't going to get an opportunity to start elsewhere. He's a proven scorer that was sabotaged by Doc. I think we need to bring him back and let him be the starting point guard. He has familiarity with our guys and he's a decent fit next to Maxey. Please bring him back.

That might be a good idea. Starting a 6-2 shooting guard, we need a taller point guard, and they're not that easy to come by. Shake is 6-5, same as Harden. But just in general - it's a good idea to resign our own guys. Since we're capped, it's hard to bring in new players.

Taller point guards who will be free agents:
Coby White 6-5
Ty Jerome 6-5
Theo Maledon 6-4 (non-shooter)
Dalano Banton 6-9 (non-shooter)
A.J. Green 6-4
Frank Ntilikina 6-4 (non-shooter)
Jordan Clarkson 6-4

Kyle Anderson was promoted as a PG when he came into the league, but doesn't generally play as a PG. He does get a lot of assists, though. He's 6-9 and not a free agent.

Coby White looks like he'd be a good fit, and his salary would likely fit in the MLE, but he's a RFA and Chicago would probably match.

[FlyingArrow]

With Harden's player option, if he picks it up, its only for one year right?

Yes, but picking it up was never expected. He'll probably get close to $35m per year long-term. Even if he can't, he wouldn't want to risk injury or further aging before signing a long-term deal.

[MoeGreene]

Thank you, that sounds ok.

It seemed like what I read, Harden had leverage over the Sixers to give him a long term contract. But, I don't see how's that's possible.

With Harden's player option, if he picks it up, its only for one year right?

Yes, but picking it up was never expected. He'll probably get close to $35m per year long-term. Even if he can't, he wouldn't want to risk injury or further aging before signing a long-term deal.

[FlyingArrow]

Thank you, that sounds ok.

It seemed like what I read, Harden had leverage over the Sixers to give him a long term contract. But, I don't see how's that's possible.

With Harden's player option, if he picks it up, its only for one year right?

Yes, but picking it up was never expected. He'll probably get close to $35m per year long-term. Even if he can't, he wouldn't want to risk injury or further aging before signing a long-term deal.

The leverage is that if we don't... we could end up with nothing. If he signs with Houston, he just walks away and we have a huge hole in the starting lineup. If he wants to go to a team that is itself capped (like PHX), then it would have to be a sign & trade so we'd at least get something out of the deal.

[MoeGreene]

Sometimes, like maybe in this instance, isn't it addition by subtraction?

If they keep him, there's no way a single nor multi year deal helps, is there?

If Harden walks, then at least, the youth can play more.

The Simmons --> Harden hopeful gamble/experiment has failed. Not sure how to fix it other then cut bait.

Thank you, that sounds ok.

It seemed like what I read, Harden had leverage over the Sixers to give him a long term contract. But, I don't see how's that's possible.

Yes, but picking it up was never expected. He'll probably get close to $35m per year long-term. Even if he can't, he wouldn't want to risk injury or further aging before signing a long-term deal.

The leverage is that if we don't... we could end up with nothing. If he signs with Houston, he just walks away and we have a huge hole in the starting lineup. If he wants to go to a team that is itself capped (like PHX), then it would have to be a sign & trade so we'd at least get something out of the deal.

[LeonJordanJr24]

If Houston gets harden I want kpj for sure. 6'4 guard to paired with maxey and Melton.

[spikeslovechild]

Oh well. You've gotta move on eventually and he'll be 30 next season.

Dont want to go through another rebuild. I'd rather watch meaningful basketball where the sixers come up short then meaningless basketball where we are competing for the 1st overall pick.

I also dont have confidence this organization would see it through either and have the rug pulled from under them at the last second as Hinkie did. So no thanks. We have morey who the most part has made good moves despite being dealt an absolutely **** hand he won't stick around either for a rebuild.

The best course is to stay the course and continue to tweak the roster. This roster is good enough and close enough that they should be able to win with additonal moves.

No they aren't and they won't be.

But some people are content with the treadmill.

Let's start by seeing what Harden does, though. Maybe instead of Houston, they can pull off a trade with Phoenix.

I am not content with it I just don't see the alternative.

[rocketsfan100]

With Harden's player option, if he picks it up, its only for one year right?

If he picks it up obviously there was a sign and trade agreed upon on

[Snotbubbles]

If Harden really wants to go to Houston, Philly will be in desperation mode. At that point, I'd look into a three-way deal with Houston and Dallas to see if we could get Kyrie Irving. Irving would probably blow up in Philly's face but desperate times require desperate measures.